Capitalism is slavery

modern slavery is alive and well in the manufacturing sector. it's all based on exploitation and the shift supervisor is the slave driver that cracks the whip if you're 7 seconds late or stop to sneeze.

reply to post by LDragonFire


You're just totally confused, and probably not content.

Look. When you are born, you become a slave to your appetite. You didn't even have a choice in it. That is how unfair life is. Your parents made you. So you will have to punish your parents by killing them and then killing yourself to set an example for others to follow. If your actions are popular, then soon the entire planet will be void of humans and only the lower animals will exist. Even then, they will capitalize. The fast animals will eat the slow animals.

It is hopeless. And that is exactly why Obama fooled so many people so easily.

I suggest you try to find joy in life. There are many joys. Pick one or more and go for it!

reply to post by LDragonFire


Capitalism to me, creates a world much like a carnival bizarre.

It's fun for a while but you wouldn't want to live there, and some parts are really ugly when the lights come on.

Originally posted by XXX777
reply to post by LDragonFire

 

You're just totally confused, and probably not content.

Look. When you are born, you become a slave to your appetite. You didn't even have a choice in it. That is how unfair life is. Your parents made you. So you will have to punish your parents by killing them and then killing yourself to set an example for others to follow. If your actions are popular, then soon the entire planet will be void of humans and only the lower animals will exist. Even then, they will capitalize. The fast animals will eat the slow animals.

It is hopeless. And that is exactly why Obama fooled so many people so easily.

I suggest you try to find joy in life. There are many joys. Pick one or more and go for it!

Wow. A little off the proverbial wall no?

Originally posted by Janky Red

Originally posted by CriticalCK
There can be no doubt that the best economic system is the one that increases the population's prosperity most effectively. Worshipping pure capitalism puts the priority of growth above that of welfare.

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WHAT!?!?!?

Ick, I just puked in my mouth like a whole gallon.

You mean to tell me that measuring humanities progress by prosperity and well being is a good idea ???

No? You are confused. I am not talking about humanities progress. If I was, I would put many things before prosperity, like giving you decent education.
I am talking about economic systems. The reasoning is simple. People work to make a living, to gain prosperity. The less they get for the same amount of work the closer their economic dependence resembles slavery.

Originally posted by jonnywhite
reply to post by Amaterasu

 

"My solution to the economic problems is anti-gravity and time travel."

edit on 15-9-2011 by jonnywhite because: (no reason given)

Really? Mine involves plenum energy replacing the need to account for meaningful energy expended. Antigravity is one of the products of electrogravitics, as well as the overunity. Time travel? Don't know that would help.

Originally posted by LDragonFire
reply to post by MrOysterhead

 

Would slavery exist in a society without money?

Yes, and it did. Spaniards bought slaves from American Indian tribes that had enslaved other tribes, as did the first Anglos in America. So slavery was already extant in a society without money. Then, when African slavery became all the rage, they were bought from, you guessed it, African tribes that had enslaved other tribes. Oh, look, another society without money! Read up next time before wasting electrons.

/TOA

reply to post by randomname


It is all based on getting a paycheck for the work that you do.

Call it what you want but it is not slavery....not even "modern day slavery".

And if you are 7 seconds late like you say then yeah you should have the whip cracked on you. I have always said that if you arent 5 minutes early then you are late (especially when it comes to work).

reply to post by The Old American


You incorrect about Spaniards buying slaves from Native Americans. The Spaniards forced Native Americans to attack neighboring tribes for slaves. The Pueblo Indians ultimately revolted against the Spaniards because of this slavery issue killing two hundred out of the one thousand Spaniards in the South West US driving them south into what is now Mexico. Native Americans did capture members of other tribes, but not to use as slaves, these people were absorbed into there tribe. If you wish to debate the historical fact on this I can and will debate further. Native Americans hated the idea of slavery, and was a concept brought to them from Europe.

I'm not as familiar with African history, but generally speaking you must have some type of economic system for the need for slaves. Africa was mostly tribal, so for them to naturally use slaves doesn't make any sense whatsoever. Unless of course you have a market (capitalism) for the need for slaves.

reply to post by LDragonFire


Wow. I've rarely seen a less informed person. Yet, here one is. This is a rare opportunity to see one in the wild!

American Indian tribes were enslaving each other for millennia while Europeans were busy learning how to make tools. African tribes today enslave each other. Money is not required for slavery, only power is.

I don't think you even really have a clue what the term means. It has less to do with the buying and selling of humans than with their complete subjugation by a more powerful force.

/TOA

Take the need for money away and prostitution will vanish.... but the statistic of promiscuous girls is going to rise significantly.

Take the need of money away and you cannot have slaves. There is nothing but good will behind the actions of the people by this point. How do you convince someone to build a house without dangling a big incentive sized carat in front of some one?

There would be nothing -- but good will.... Nay, there could be nothing but good will.

They don't call money the root of all evil for nothing, ya know.

Originally posted by The Old American
reply to post by LDragonFire

 

Wow. I've rarely seen a less informed person. Yet, here one is. This is a rare opportunity to see one in the wild!

American Indian tribes were enslaving each other for millennia while Europeans were busy learning how to make tools. African tribes today enslave each other. Money is not required for slavery, only power is.

I don't think you even really have a clue what the term means. It has less to do with the buying and selling of humans than with their complete subjugation by a more powerful force.

/TOA

As for you -- there is still money involved.... Money is a concept, a leverage/incentive... not paper and coin.

There is still money in African tribes... it's just not common form currency, it's inter tribal trading of services. You also seem to miss an important factor as well -- tribals aren't educated. The only way they know how to do things is by force.... this is what we deem "primitive." Which comes from the word "Primate."

In other words there is order... but the order is enacted by sheer power... Grade school bully behavior and therefor is a completely erroneous comparison to civilized people. We'd have volunteer police forces and judge/juries still to take care of the people stepping out of order. Taking money away does not devolve one to tribal status, it evolves you to post industrial civilization status.... The NEXT step higher from where we are now.... not a step back to where we once were.

Your concept is one of ignorance. Ironic, no?

However, we can't get rid of money until people can be taken care of by an automated process. Hence why we still use money. The day we can build android work forces is the day we stop using money.

If you think this would stop progression, then you don't understand inventors. The incentive for progress is progress itself. The sheer will and passion of people trying to improve the standards of their life -- push the boundaries of science...

Originally posted by MrOysterhead
reply to post by NadaCambia

 

I have met more people in their 20s who could retire by 30 in these forums than anywhere else in life.

What type of business do you own that you know you will continue to profit at your current pace so you can retire in 8 years?

Sounds to me like you should be waving the capitalism flag higher than most.

I run a graphic design business. Within 3 years I will have hundreds of clients and comfortably make 6 figures a year.

And why do you think I should be waving the flag of Capitalism? i'd be much happier with a basic home with basic goods and basic food.

Capitalism will always be unfair. If not for me, my entire family would be struggling to eat and in debt. They're good bloody people who work much harder than I do.

Capitalists are evil people. I'm not a Capitalist, I'm taking money off the Capitalist scum plate and doing genuine good with it.

Capitalists can jump infront of a bus.

Originally posted by AlreadyGone
reply to post by NadaCambia

 

Well...congratulations Mr. NadiaCambia... I've never met someone so resentful and angry at their own success. Looks like whatever form of capitalism we live in, it has worked for you.

And in regards to deserving what we have and enjoy...yeah, I am more fortunate than a lot of people..and grateful for it, so I do give back when and where needed and when I see it.

I do have an ego...and that is part of what makes me me...just as it does in anybody else. I am not perfect...far from it. But really, I think of myself as a "regular Joe kind'a guy." Not flashy...I drive an old beat up pick up...my wife gets after me to get some decent clothes from time to time as I am not fashionable... I still like jeans and T-shirts the best... and i still haven't figured out which fork to use when i go out to eat.... but egotistical i am not.

Looking at your OP contrasted against your success...it reminds me of the scene in "Platoon" when Charlie Sheen is explaining to King why he "volunteered" for the Army while cleaning the latrines... "Oh, what we got here is a martyr...out to save the world."

edit on 15-9-2011 by AlreadyGone because: spelling

Take a walk mate. You wanted to play the big 'I am' and lost. I make more than you and hate Capitalism. Take your L and move on.

Capitalism is an evil system for evil people. You're an evil person.

I have always thought a good analogy for capitalism is nuclear energy. IF you can manage to control it, it can benefit you immensely. But remove the controls and you have a meltdown. A democracy with a rationally regulated capitalist system is not a bad thing. But what we have had for 30 years, and what always tends to happen, is that the controls have been slowly ebbing away through subtle and bold deregulation. All the checks to keep capitalism beneficial to a plurality of people IE a middle class, instead of the most money in the fewest hands,have been slowly removed, until we have what we have now, which is unbridled and unregulated capitalism which usually ends up destroying itself after mutating into fascism. If we can start to put the controls back, things could improve. But the problem is that now capitalism knows no borders so if one country starts to regulate it too closely, it just goes somewhere else. Enter Globalism. The ONLY way we will get things back under control is to start to create stringent international standards for labor rights, environmental laws, and wage laws. Good luck to us all trying to achieve that against an entrenched and powerful group of elites who are hellbent on staying in power.

To the OP, I do not agree with your comments, but I do have a suggestion for you to consider. There are a large number of websites that I visit that preach and put into practice simple living. These are people who live in capitalist states but choose to basically live off the grid. They quite their job, bought a small tract of land, grow their own food and are basically self sufficient. It is a neat concept and I admire their spirit of independence. You can still do this for yourself without trying to eradicate an entire economic structure. If others want to live in a capitalist system, cool. But you can go the other way, if you so choose. I think that is freedom. You do have a choice. I do believe what these folks are actually doing is just voluntary poverty, but they seem happy enough and they do serve as their own masters. They are not hurting anyone, they just view life differently. Just an idea for you. I mean no disrespect to any point of view on this board. The simple living folks are on to a neat idea, it is just not for everyone. Perhaps only a very view. Regardless, you can go that way, even under our current system.

The only people that are basically free and the disabled people and welfare people that get free money. But still they are not totally free but alot more free than me and most of the world.

reply to post by LDragonFire


And you suggest what? Communism? Fascism? Barter? Corporatism (which you are talking about) is not capitalism... And you offer no alternative.

Even without money there will still be the haves and the have nots. What we need less of is not business it's government...

There are flaws in any system nothing is perfect but take a look around socialism is failing in Europe, communism has failed over and over... The markets aren't the problem it's the people peddling government control that are the source of the problem.

Not all people are capable of farming hunting... Are you going to provide for the people with no higher skills that can't survive in your post money world? I'd assume without money that barter would be the only option in which case x good has x value... Just like a money system...

I am not sure whether "slavery" is the right word.

But essentially i agree since the wealth of a minority DEPENDS on paid work of many others.

If you are employed, you work to increase the WEALTH of your company/boss.

Your boss will hire you based on an evaluation of his ROI (return of investment) - he will employ you if he knows you cost him LESS than what his PROFIT from your work will be.

"Workers" will always cost less than the benefit/wealth they will produce.

This is a very simple truth.

Without people who WORK FOR OTHERS and increase wealth for others this system would not work.

reply to post by constantwonder


I didn't suggest anything, and btw capitalism is also failing in case you didn't notice.

reply to post by Evanzsayz


That is the biggest bunch of bull I have read on this site today. If you gonna be good at something I guess you should go all out