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Capitalism is slavery

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posted on Sep, 15 2011 @ 02:53 PM
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Capitalism works as long as it's a free market to all players in the market according to the financial means and ingenuity of the companies involved. Companies that innovate, adapt, and diversify grow, those that don't die. The problem is that some companies can become huge trusts and monopolies, but the problem is that once regulation occurs it is easy to bribe politicians to stifle competition.




posted on Sep, 15 2011 @ 02:59 PM
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I have met more people in their 20s who could retire by 30 in these forums than anywhere else in life.

What type of business do you own that you know you will continue to profit at your current pace so you can retire in 8 years?

Sounds to me like you should be waving the capitalism flag higher than most.



posted on Sep, 15 2011 @ 04:52 PM
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Well...congratulations Mr. NadiaCambia... I've never met someone so resentful and angry at their own success. Looks like whatever form of capitalism we live in, it has worked for you.

And in regards to deserving what we have and enjoy...yeah, I am more fortunate than a lot of people..and grateful for it, so I do give back when and where needed and when I see it.

I do have an ego...and that is part of what makes me me...just as it does in anybody else. I am not perfect...far from it. But really, I think of myself as a "regular Joe kind'a guy." Not flashy...I drive an old beat up pick up...my wife gets after me to get some decent clothes from time to time as I am not fashionable... I still like jeans and T-shirts the best... and i still haven't figured out which fork to use when i go out to eat.... but egotistical i am not.

Looking at your OP contrasted against your success...it reminds me of the scene in "Platoon" when Charlie Sheen is explaining to King why he "volunteered" for the Army while cleaning the latrines... "Oh, what we got here is a martyr...out to save the world."
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posted on Sep, 15 2011 @ 05:02 PM
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We may be screwed up and capitalism might be terrible, but it's the best economic model we know of at this moment in time, so I'll go with capitalism until we know better.

And don't mix up capitalism the IDEA with capitalism the REALITY. The capitalism we know of right now in america is not true capitalism. There's a thick concentration of socialism underneath the exterior. This is the case because of generations of policy enacted by socialist and communist sympathizers. Because of their disruption of the capitalist system we have suffered certain (unspecified here) losses. The socialists and communists point to these losses and claim that they're the result of capitalism. But the truth, the truth is that these losses are the result of their tinkering with the fundamentals of our economy and messing it up. If they weren't so blind to their mistakes and the incapability of socialism or communism to be successful economic models, then we might actually have an economy that's true capitalism - where we're truly free.

When you trade freedom for security, you have neither. That's what's going on. The responsibility has been shifted and is not in the hands of the people anymore, where it should be.
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posted on Sep, 15 2011 @ 05:21 PM
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Speaking of moving away from money... The solution is to release the plenum energy extraction methods out of black ops. I know it's there because My dad tried to teach Me about it before it went into black ops.

The reason this will work is that all money is is an accounting of the (scarce) energy expended meaningfully. This is easiest to grasp when One thinks of the first farmer or miner. Everything They had was free. It was Their meaningful energy expended that the money is about: tilling, planting, weeding, harvesting - all about the energy; digging and processing - all about the energy.

Once the cost of energy is removed down the line, what is left is free - especially if We install robots on any necessary job no One wants to do. Then no One will HAVE to work, and may pursue those things that bring Them bliss.

I have posted these links to My work - posts here, and media files - before, but I will do it again:


The End of Entropy - the foundation - read first

www.abovetopsecret.com...

The Ethical Planetarian Party Platform - the structure

www.abovetopsecret.com...


Here's a simple schematic for drawing on the plenum ("dark"/Zero Point/"vacuum"/Radiant/Orgone/...) energy:

www.abovetopsecret.com...


The Abundance Paradigm:

media.abovetopsecret.com...

Spread the word, and We just might succeed.



posted on Sep, 15 2011 @ 05:28 PM
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Originally posted by Frogs

Originally posted by LDragonFire
We Americans are raised to believe that capitalism is good and needed to insure our freedoms. I think this is pure propaganda and is untrue. I think capitalism was a product of the old world monarch system, just relabeled and packaged for the masses. Capitalism is thousands of years old and slavery walks hand in hand with it. I wonder if capitalism disappeared from the Earth would slavery and prostitution still exist?


I'm going to say "Yes - both slavery and prostitution would still exist without capitalism." Both have existed since ancient times, long before capitalism. There is no reason to think they would cease to exist after capitalism. Human nature has ensured both of these have been around as long as man has..


Neither would exist in a world where there is no need for money. See My post above.

2nd.



posted on Sep, 15 2011 @ 05:56 PM
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"My solution to the economic problems is anti-gravity and time travel."
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posted on Sep, 15 2011 @ 06:23 PM
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Originally posted by NadaCambia

Originally posted by AlreadyGone
Ok dear Op...what alternative do you offer?

I am a capitalist. I cut firewood to sell...someone sees my sign by the road...they stop or call my phone number and we make a deal...an aggreement. I sell them firewood and they pay me with money.

I do the same thing with goats, hogs and piglets, tomatoes if I have any after the drought, eggs and chickens...capitalism... pretty simple really.

I also work for a living so I can by the things I want and need... my wife does likewise. Capitalism has provided me through my hard work and efforts a home, a farm on 50 acres, a quaint place at the NC coast... an education for all of our children, and it has allowed me...not some program at work or social security...but allowed me and my wife.. to save and invest for our retirement.. which if our investments continue to grow as they did last year...even in this economy...we will retire millionaires at 62.

I don't think you can do that with socialism... communism ? Which -ism do you prefer? What process or socio-economic-political process do you advise and prefer?

And provide real life examples..not some utopian philosphy and theory that looks good on paper but will never see the light of day.

Lastly, no...I am not priviledged...my family parents grew up dirt poor during the last Depression...they too worked hard and are now comfortably retired. Me...15 years ago, i was sleeping in a horse barn and going through a divorce...

Funny what a little hard work and sacrifice will reward an individual.


Wrong and wrong again. The nature of the Capitalist beast is that for the fortunate few to enjoy the luxurious lifestyle you and they enjoy, the majority must suffer.

You might have worked hard, I have no doubt, but others cannot do what you've done.


"BULLSHOT"! So we should all be forcibly poor.. even the hardworking hard saving; self directed; most productive;?
this is such a sad commentary on typical left wing "victimization rant ":.Poor me I can't do what you did.(its just not" fair") is it.
Pay good money for that particular college course did you?


Originally posted by NadaCambia
There are few winners, but mainly losers. There's people with more work ethic and intelligence than you, who go through their life living in abject poverty through no fault of their own. You got lucky, and your fortunes come at the cost of others being oppressed. Well done.

If you want to ignore this blatant reality, that's on you.


If you want to roll over and blame the successful for your lack of drive : that my liberal minded friend is "on you".

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posted on Sep, 15 2011 @ 07:02 PM
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Originally posted by eywadevoteeThe problem is that some companies can become huge trusts and monopolies, but the problem is that once regulation occurs it is easy to bribe politicians to stifle competition.


Yeah and that small problem turns into a huge problem for everyone else... good comment

But yeah i see what he's trying to say about capitalism being slavery...its not necessarily slavery but more like one or two, maybe three steps up from it.. its more of a mental thing than anything, just as pretty much everyone is trying to explain to you is that yeah you have the choice to go to school, get a job, buy this, and pretty much be a slave TO THE SYSTEM or you can try and be free and go against it and "free" everyone else. Me personally am all for it but calling it slavery to the going to make people want to stop fueling the system lol.. you have to talk their language put it in a whole different context or presentation



posted on Sep, 15 2011 @ 08:02 PM
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The root word of capitalism is capital, genius.

Now go look for the definition.


 
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posted on Sep, 15 2011 @ 08:04 PM
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Hope?

All I see is ignorance when one can't tell the difference between capitalism and corporatism, and a bunch of others pat him on the back and agree with his nonsense.


 
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posted on Sep, 15 2011 @ 08:04 PM
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I am a capitalist. I cut firewood to sell.


That is the simplest form of business, and the most moral (assuming you aren't stealing the wood).
Our economy today is corporatism, and it's not because of "marxists", it's because of rich business people corrupting the system for decades. Corporatism is highly corrupt and immoral- it is destroying the planet, morality and societies, including ours.

Our economy today is close to slavery for many, we are moving towards aristocracy and will probably be one within 20 years.
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posted on Sep, 15 2011 @ 08:13 PM
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I get tired of Raman noodles.

I do like to have a steak every now and then.

Until someone comes up with something better, I will continue to work my azz off....

Thanks anyways



posted on Sep, 15 2011 @ 08:36 PM
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Originally posted by 46ACE

"BULLSHOT"! So we should all be forcibly poor.. even the hardworking hard saving; self directed; most productive;?


Should we all be forcibly miserable, serving some unforeseen god that has not allegiance to the human race?
We are all put on this planet of abundance, only to be forced into a self imposed system of scarcity
and reward.



this is such a sad commentary on typical left wing "victimization rant ":.Poor me I can't do what you did.(its just not" fair") is it.
Pay good money for that particular college course did you?


If it is left wing to think that serving a plethora of corporate interests is insanity, then so be it.

I cannot think of a better basic system, but that does not mean that I cannot think for myself of challenge
the status quo. The notion that the only way freedom can be achieved is by advocating cost is insanity,
that sort of idea is the basis of slavery. The world and all that is in it started off FREE, when we are
gone it will all be free again.

Ironic that freedom will return when we are not around to promote or protect it.



posted on Sep, 15 2011 @ 09:30 PM
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Americans display a wierd idiosyncrasy if it comes to terms like socialism, communism or regulation for that matter.
The invisible hand certainly is superior to central planning. However, with a more profound understanding of the economy one is inclined to realize that there are no easy solutions.

Capitalism is not, as some are deluded to think, the best economic system. Not in terms welfare and often not even in terms of growth. There can be no doubt that the best economic system is the one that increases the population's prosperity most effectively. Worshipping pure capitalism puts the priority of growth above that of welfare.

Unregulated ravaging capitalism is full of logical market failures. Market failures that undermine competition and require exogenic corrections. Transactions in free markets only guarantee to increase welfare in an environment without information and power asymmetry. Such an environment is utopic. If not sufficiantly regulated, capitalism is bound to destroy itself, leaving a form of perverted capitalism with strongly imperfect markets.

As of today the best economic system is carefully regulated capitalism. I could imagine more regulations becoming viable as information technology progresses.

Many problems mentioned so far having nothing to do with capitalism but with fundamental moral values rooted in society. Peeing in a bucket for drug tests is just a question dignity, there is no economic benefit to it. The protection of dignity falls in to the realm of judiciary. Never ever would I pee in a bucket. If I was asked to do so I would certainly go ballistic, so would all the people I know.



posted on Sep, 15 2011 @ 09:48 PM
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Globalization and the 'free trade' agreements are the new form of slavery.

Instead of bringing slave into the developed work to do your work,

The work, is now sent to the slave.

Big Business profits,
and you are too expensive to hire in comparison.



posted on Sep, 15 2011 @ 10:34 PM
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Originally posted by CriticalCK
There can be no doubt that the best economic system is the one that increases the population's prosperity most effectively. Worshipping pure capitalism puts the priority of growth above that of welfare.

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WHAT!?!?!?

Ick, I just puked in my mouth like a whole gallon.

You mean to tell me that measuring humanities progress by prosperity and well being is a good idea ???


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posted on Sep, 15 2011 @ 11:27 PM
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So what is it you would do to fix things? Everyone posts these threads, but no one ever seems to know what to do to change things if they could. I suggest our current system is better than tearing it down with no plan as to what to do after. We would probably end up in a totalitarian government.

You do also realize if you want, there are areas of Australia, South America and Africa you can move to to live the life you want. I personally love the life I'm afforded here in the west.

I don't want your revolution unless you have a plan most people would agree with.



posted on Sep, 15 2011 @ 11:42 PM
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Greetings,

I have contended for some time that Uncle Marx got it right on religion and capitalism.

Too bad he couldn't up with a better socioeconomic blueprint, although some contend he did but it was hijacked by tyrants

God bless the USA, Inc.



posted on Sep, 16 2011 @ 12:45 AM
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Originally posted by MrOysterhead

Originally posted by Aggie Man
The word capitalism says it all. What does it mean to capitalize? It means to take advantage of. Gee, I wonder who is being taken advantage of under a capitalistic system?

to capitalism

to the OP
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that is exactly right....it means to CAPITALIZE on the chance you are given.


Or it means capital, as in the means of production. In capitalism the means of production are owned by private citizens and are operated for a profit, whereas in communism the means of production are owned by the state and are operated for the good of the community.

en.wikipedia.org...


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