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Capitalism is slavery

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posted on Sep, 15 2011 @ 08:31 AM
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We Americans are raised to believe that capitalism is good and needed to insure our freedoms. I think this is pure propaganda and is untrue. I think capitalism was a product of the old world monarch system, just relabeled and packaged for the masses. Capitalism is thousands of years old and slavery walks hand in hand with it. I wonder if capitalism disappeared from the Earth would slavery and prostitution still exist?

This economic model does not support freedom. Are you free? Does your employers have more rights than you do? You lose most rights you have when you accept a job. Pissing in a cup to prove yourself worthy is not freedom. It's akin to serfdom, its voluntary servitude. You are forced to conform to there expectation or there warped sense of morality. You are forced to conform for there bottom line.

We are told that if we get a good education and work hard we will be successful. They don't tell us we must act in immoral ways to achieve this success. I don't think one good person has risen to the heights of business, as the term dog eats dog is well known and experienced by everyone. What does it take to make it to the top? Whats does it take to make another human a yes man, or a back stabber? What does it take for a human to go out willingly everyday to knowingly crush there competition, for profit?

Do you trust big oil or big banks or the government? Do you trust these organizations to do what best for humanity? They serve profit under capitalism. They will do whatever it takes to achieve profit.

We are all slaves in this system. Capitalism has lead to mega corporations, these corporations have destroyed the mom and pop business and the small family farms. There is no competition for these mega corporations as they have made sure that is it almost impossible to start a business unless your already rich.

We have seen time and time again, people that spend there entire lives working only to see there retirement lost or stolen. This system is too big to fail

Humans need to move away from money, we don't need it. Society thrived for thousands of years without capitalism and things were good (native American civilization pre 1900). We need a new system that works for the benefit of all, not just the top 3%.



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posted on Sep, 15 2011 @ 08:32 AM
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Your thread would be 100 percent true if you just replaced capitalism with corporatism. Otherwise it just seems like you are unaware of the difference or intentionally trying to make them the same thing.


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posted on Sep, 15 2011 @ 08:34 AM
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Capitalism leads to corporatism. You can't have one without the other.



posted on Sep, 15 2011 @ 08:40 AM
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There is only one kind of capitalism and that is free market capitalism (laissez-faire). Once restrictions or government intervention are applied to capitalism, it is no longer capitalism but central planning.

Capitalism, though unbelievably complex is actually very simple to understand.



A voluntary, consenting exchange of goods between two parties, for their own mutual benefit without the outside threat of force.


Everything else is just a fancy word for the Central Planning Board or Supreme Dictator. There is no country in the world that practices capitalism. All economies are centrally planned and regulated.



posted on Sep, 15 2011 @ 08:41 AM
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With Capitalism you have the opportunity to start your own business, compete in the market place and maybe...if you are very lucky and work very hard....you will have built a big corporation.

With Slavery...you have NO opportunity.

So no, they arent the same thing.



posted on Sep, 15 2011 @ 08:42 AM
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Capitalism is slavery as opposed to what? What isn't considered slavery according to your definition?



posted on Sep, 15 2011 @ 08:46 AM
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Would slavery exist in a society without money?



posted on Sep, 15 2011 @ 08:48 AM
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I bet if you traveled back in time and asked a slave who was getting whipped daily while working in a cotton field before he went "home" to his dirt floor shack if he would rather travel to the future with you and work at say...a GE plant, he probably wouldnt say "nah, it's the same thing."



posted on Sep, 15 2011 @ 08:50 AM
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Originally posted by LDragonFire
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Would slavery exist in a society without money?


Sure it could. People have to eat and those fields have to be harvested.

But money isnt the point. You said Capitalism not money.



posted on Sep, 15 2011 @ 08:51 AM
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You are going to have a tough job convincing your fellow countrymen that you are correct. But you are correct.


I have to say, when I see a post like this, it makes me realise there is still hope and that hope is growing everyday.

st.


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posted on Sep, 15 2011 @ 08:57 AM
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The word capitalism says it all. What does it mean to capitalize? It means to take advantage of. Gee, I wonder who is being taken advantage of under a capitalistic system?

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posted on Sep, 15 2011 @ 09:02 AM
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Originally posted by Aggie Man
The word capitalism says it all. What does it mean to capitalize? It means to take advantage of. Gee, I wonder who is being taken advantage of under a capitalistic system?

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that is exactly right....it means to CAPITALIZE on the chance you are given.



posted on Sep, 15 2011 @ 09:04 AM
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Let me ask all of you who think Capitalism equals Slavery.

Would you trade places with a slave? Why not if it is the same thing?



posted on Sep, 15 2011 @ 09:09 AM
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Originally posted by MrOysterhead

Originally posted by Aggie Man
The word capitalism says it all. What does it mean to capitalize? It means to take advantage of. Gee, I wonder who is being taken advantage of under a capitalistic system?

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edit on 15-9-2011 by Aggie Man because: (no reason given)


that is exactly right....it means to CAPITALIZE on the chance you are given.


Yes, at the expense of someone else. That in and of itself is not too harmful; however, over time the system becomes more of a situation where those that capitalize begin to over capitalize (by taking in much more $ than than they are putting back into the system). That system creates a few "haves" and many "have nots". Long term, that system is unsustainable.



posted on Sep, 15 2011 @ 09:26 AM
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Originally posted by Aggie Man

Originally posted by MrOysterhead

Originally posted by Aggie Man
The word capitalism says it all. What does it mean to capitalize? It means to take advantage of. Gee, I wonder who is being taken advantage of under a capitalistic system?

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that is exactly right....it means to CAPITALIZE on the chance you are given.


Yes, at the expense of someone else.


That's what I don't like about capitalism, every time you advance, it's at the expense of someone else. I know I shouldn't feel this way, but I don't like making others sad. I'm not always willing to hurt someone or to step on someone to reach higher because honestly, I don't care for money.

The only thing I care about is music and playing music. I know I need money for that but till now, when I get in a job, I don't advance. It's not because I'm not competent, far from it.

It's just I always think to myself : I feel like that person wants that position more then me

And then there's the hole sucking up on superiors even if you don't like their ideas, yuk , I can't take it!

I would prefer if I was given to me a job that fits perfectly with my qualities, that I'm better then most people at. I don't want to fight for it, because I don't really want it that bad.
But if I was given the optimal job to help contribute to my society, then it would bring me honor.

You see, I prize honor and dignity above money and power.
There is no place for me in capitalism and I bet I am not alone.

Yes for me the idea of capitalism is slavery too



posted on Sep, 15 2011 @ 09:32 AM
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Nice post, the only part I would disagree with is this...


Originally posted by User8911
I know I shouldn't feel this way, but I don't like making others sad.

Why shouldn'y you feel that way? That's perfectly normal, you have empathy, that's a great thing to have!

What would be highly worrying, would be if you said you like making others sad!


st.



posted on Sep, 15 2011 @ 09:33 AM
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Originally posted by MrOysterhead
Let me ask all of you who think Capitalism equals Slavery.

Would you trade places with a slave? Why not if it is the same thing?


I recently traded in my own slavery for new slavery. The new slavery comes with a few more perks. But it's still slavery. I am still a slave to the system.

I will break free, one day!

st.



posted on Sep, 15 2011 @ 09:34 AM
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Originally posted by LDragonFire
We Americans are raised to believe that capitalism is good and needed to insure our freedoms. I think this is pure propaganda and is untrue. I think capitalism was a product of the old world monarch system, just relabeled and packaged for the masses. Capitalism is thousands of years old and slavery walks hand in hand with it. I wonder if capitalism disappeared from the Earth would slavery and prostitution still exist?


I'm going to say "Yes - both slavery and prostitution would still exist without capitalism." Both have existed since ancient times, long before capitalism. There is no reason to think they would cease to exist after capitalism. Human nature has ensured both of these have been around as long as man has..



posted on Sep, 15 2011 @ 09:41 AM
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Ok dear Op...what alternative do you offer?

I am a capitalist. I cut firewood to sell...someone sees my sign by the road...they stop or call my phone number and we make a deal...an aggreement. I sell them firewood and they pay me with money.

I do the same thing with goats, hogs and piglets, tomatoes if I have any after the drought, eggs and chickens...capitalism... pretty simple really.

I also work for a living so I can by the things I want and need... my wife does likewise. Capitalism has provided me through my hard work and efforts a home, a farm on 50 acres, a quaint place at the NC coast... an education for all of our children, and it has allowed me...not some program at work or social security...but allowed me and my wife.. to save and invest for our retirement.. which if our investments continue to grow as they did last year...even in this economy...we will retire millionaires at 62.

I don't think you can do that with socialism... communism ? Which -ism do you prefer? What process or socio-economic-political process do you advise and prefer?

And provide real life examples..not some utopian philosphy and theory that looks good on paper but will never see the light of day.

Lastly, no...I am not priviledged...my family parents grew up dirt poor during the last Depression...they too worked hard and are now comfortably retired. Me...15 years ago, i was sleeping in a horse barn and going through a divorce...

Funny what a little hard work and sacrifice will reward an individual.



posted on Sep, 15 2011 @ 10:09 AM
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Originally posted by MrOysterhead
Let me ask all of you who think Capitalism equals Slavery.

Would you trade places with a slave? Why not if it is the same thing?


slav·er·y (slv-r, slvr)
n. pl. slav·er·ies
1. The state of one bound in servitude as the property of a slaveholder or household.
2.
a. The practice of owning slaves.
b. A mode of production in which slaves constitute the principal work force.
3. The condition of being subject or addicted to a specified influence.
4. A condition of hard work and subjection: wage slavery.

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