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NASA Whistleblower: Alien Moon Cities Exist

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posted on Sep, 15 2011 @ 08:35 PM
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big muley and the laser experiment are a big problem for you eh ? I'll dig up more stuff on the tracking of apollo 11 from earth by non-"naza" people, so you can't ignore it based on the source

and for the record, I think you'd have a difficult time fooling anyone

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posted on Sep, 15 2011 @ 08:39 PM
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NASA is a government agency and works with (for?) the Department of Defense. It's not civilian. SETI is civilian (and, I think they're covering up discoveries too!)
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SETI protocol requires all employees to report any unusual signals to the appropriate government authorities before releasing any information to the general public. So no, we will not hear about any ET signals from SETI.



posted on Sep, 15 2011 @ 08:40 PM
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Originally posted by ZIPMATT
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dont be ridiculous you want people to dance to your tune. lets haul it back to the footage, and the small matter of humans requiring a certain magnetic field to even stay alive 1 hour in space (ie outside the magnetosphere)

you disprove MY theory > you cant see when a landing pod is not taking off by being hauled up by a crane? how did it dock with the capsule they floated back in then? got any evidence that happened? no but you want me to respond to laser thingys? what ?


you brough up reason. so I am dealing with physical tangible evidence that has been independently verified by sources other than NASA

those thingy's are the evidence you requested.



posted on Sep, 15 2011 @ 08:44 PM
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Originally posted by Darkmask

 
SETI protocol requires all employees to report any unusual signals to the appropriate government authorities before releasing any information to the general public. So no, we will not hear about any ET signals from SETI.


Odd. That's not what it says here. It seems like the idea is to get the word out to as many different places as possible at the same time.

Prior to making a public announcement that evidence of extraterrestrial intelligence has been detected, the discoverer should promptly inform all other observers or research organizations that are parties to this declaration, so that those other parties may seek to confirm the discovery by independent observations at other sites and so that a network can be established to enable continuous monitoring of the signal or phenomenon. Parties to this declaration should not make any public announcement of this information until it is determined whether this information is or is not credible evidence of the existence of extraterrestrial intelligence. The discoverer should inform his/her or its relevant national authorities.


After concluding that the discovery appears to be credible evidence of extraterrestrial intelligence, and after informing other parties to this declaration, the discoverer should inform observers throughout the world through the Central Bureau for Astronomical Telegrams of the International Astronomical Union, and should inform the Secretary General of the United Nations in accordance with Article XI of the Treaty on Principles Governing the Activities of States in the Exploration and Use of Outer Space, Including the Moon and Other Bodies. Because of their demonstrated interest in and expertise concerning the question of the existence of extraterrestrial intelligence, the discoverer should simultaneously inform the following international institutions of the discovery and should provide them with all pertinent data and recorded information concerning the evidence: the International Telecommunication Union, the Committee on Space Research, of the International Council of Scientific Unions, the International Astronautical Federation, the International Academy of Astronautics, the International Institute of Space Law, Commission 51 of the International Astronomical Union and Commission J of the International Radio Science Union.




A confirmed detection of extraterrestrial intelligence should be disseminated promptly, openly, and widely through scientific channels and public media, observing the procedures in this declaration. The discoverer should have the privilege of making the first public announcement.

www.setileague.org...

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posted on Sep, 15 2011 @ 08:48 PM
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ok zippy, here ya go. I await your reasoned and intellgent reply. here are a few independent third parties that traked the apollo missions

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Apollo missions tracked by independent partiesAside from NASA, a number of entities and individuals observed, through various means, the Apollo missions as they took place. On later missions, NASA released information to the public explaining where third party observers could expect to see the various craft at specific times according to scheduled launch times and planned trajectories.[23]

[edit] Observers of all missionsThe Soviet Union monitored the missions at the Space Transmissions Corps, which was "fully equipped with the latest intelligence-gathering and surveillance equipment".[24] Vasily Mishin ("The Moon Programme That Faltered."), in Spaceflight. 33 (March 1991): 2-3 describes how the Soviet Moon programme lost energy after the Apollo landing.

The missions were tracked by radar from several countries on the way to the Moon and back.[25]

The NASA Manned Space Flight Network (MSFN) was a world-wide network of stations that tracked the Mercury, Gemini, Apollo and Skylab missions. Most MSFN stations were only needed during the launch, Earth orbit and landing phases of the lunar missions, but three "deep space" sites with larger antennas provided continuous coverage during the trans-lunar, trans-earth and lunar mission phases. Today, these three sites form the NASA Deep Space Network: the Goldstone Deep Space Communications Complex near Goldstone, California; the Madrid Deep Space Communication Complex near Madrid, Spain; and the Canberra Deep Space Communication Complex, in Tidbinbilla, near Canberra, Australia.

Although most MSFN stations were NASA-owned, they employed many local citizens. NASA also contracted the Parkes Observatory in New South Wales, Australia, to supplement the three deep space sites, most famously during the Apollo 11 EVA as documented in Publications of the Astronomical Society of Australia[26][27] and portrayed (humorously and not quite accurately) in the movie The Dish. The Parkes Observatory is not NASA-owned; it is, and always has been, owned and operated by the Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organization (CSIRO), a research agency of the Australian government.

Several other Australian sites which are no longer part of the Deep Space Network were also involved in relaying Apollo lunar transmissions. The deep space (lunar) tracking station was originally Honeysuckle Creek Tracking Station. Carnarvon Tracking Station was one of the smaller and more numerous MSFN sites used primarily to support the near-earth segments of Apollo missions, though it also relayed data from the ALSEP lunar surface experiments. Due to its location on Australia's west coast, Carnarvon played a special role in the Apollo trans lunar injection and atmospheric reentry phases. Deakin Switching Centre routed the Apollo television broadcasts.[28]

It would have been relatively easy for NASA to avoid using the Parkes Observatory to receive the Apollo 11 EVA television signals by scheduling the EVA at an earlier time when the Goldstone station could provide complete coverage.

[edit] Apollo 8Main article: Apollo 8
On December 21, 1968 at 18:00 UT, amateur astronomers (H.R. Hatfield, M.J. Hendrie, F. Kent, Alan Heath, and M.J. Oates) in the UK photographed a fuel dump from the jettisoned S-IVB third rocket stage.[23]
Pic du Midi Observatory (in the French Pyrenees); the Catalina Station of the Lunar and Planetary Laboratory (University of Arizona); Corralitos Observatory, New Mexico, then operated by Northwestern University; McDonald Observatory of the University of Texas; and Lick Observatory of the University of California all filed reports of observations.[23]

Dr. Michael Moutsoulas at Pic du Midi reported an initial sighting around 17:10 UT on December 21 with the 1.1-metre reflector as an object (magnitude near 10, through clouds) moving eastward near the predicted location of Apollo 8. He used a 60-cm refractor telescope to observe a cluster of objects which were obscured by the appearance of a nebulous cloud at a time which matches a firing of the service module engine to assure adequate separation from the S-IVB. This event can be traced with the Apollo 8 Flight Journal, noting that launch was at 0751 EST or 12:51 UT on December 21.[23]

Justus Dunlap and others at Corralitos Observatory (then operated by Northwestern University) obtained over 400 short-exposure intensified images, giving very accurate locations for the spacecraft.[23]
The 2.1m Struve telescope at McDonald, from 01:50-2:37 UT, observed the brightest object flashing as bright as magnitude 15, with the flash pattern recurring about once a minute.[23]

The Lick Observatory observations during the return coast to Earth produced live television pictures broadcast to United States west coast viewers via KQED-TV in San Francisco.

An article in the March 1969 issue of Sky & Telescope contained many reports of optical tracking of Apollo 8.[23]
The first post-launch sightings were from the Smithsonian Astrophysical Observatory (SAO) station on Maui, and observed the trans-lunar injection burn near 15:44 UT on December 21.

Table Mountain Observatory, a Deep Space Network station in California, reports that they tracked all the Apollo lunar missions except 17.[23]

Bernard Scrivener at Honeysuckle Creek recorded 45–50 hours of radio conversation between Houston and Apollo 8. These are recordings of the raw audio, not what was released to the public through NASA.[29]

[edit] Apollo 10Main article: Apollo 10
A list of sightings of Apollo 10 were reported in "Apollo 10 Optical Tracking" by Sky & Telescope magazine, July 1969, pp. 62–63.

[edit] Apollo 11Main article: Apollo 11
The Bochum Observatory director (Professor Heinz Kaminski) was able to provide confirmation of events and data independent of both the Russian and U.S. space agencies.[30]
A compilation of sightings appeared in "Observations of Apollo 11" in Sky and Telescope magazine, November 1969, pp. 358–359.
The Madrid Apollo Station, part of the Deep Space Network, built in Fresnedillas, near Madrid, Spain tracked Apollo 11.[31]

Goldstone Tracking Station in California tracked Apollo 11.[32]

At Jodrell Bank Observatory in the UK, the telescope was used to observe the mission, as it was used years previously for Sputnik.[33] At the same time, Jodrell Bank scientists were tracking the unmanned Soviet spacecraft Luna 15, which was trying to land on the Moon.[34]

In July 2009, Jodrell released some recordings they made.[35]

Larry Baysinger, a technician for WHAS radio in Louisville, Kentucky, independently detected and recorded transmissions between Apollo 11 astronauts on the lunar surface and in the command module.[36]

Recordings made by Baysinger share certain characteristics with recordings made at Bochum Observatory by Heinz Kaminski (see above), in that both Kaminski's and Baysinger's recordings do not include the capsule communicator in Houston and the associated Quindar tones heard in NASA audio and seen on NASA Apollo 11 transcripts. Kaminski and Baysinger could only hear the transmissions from the Moon, and not transmissions to the Moon from the earth.[30][37]

[edit] Apollo 12Main article: Apollo 12

Surveyor 3 camera brought back from the Moon by Apollo 12, on display at the National Air and Space MuseumPaul Maley reports several sightings of the Apollo 12 Command Module.[38]

Parts of Surveyor 3, which landed on the Moon in April 1967, were brought back to Earth by Apollo 12 in November 1969.[39] These samples were shown to have been exposed to lunar conditions.[40]

[edit] Apollo 13Main article: Apollo 13
Chabot Observatory calendar records an application of optical tracking during the final phases of Apollo 13, on 17 April 1970:

“ "Rachel, Chabot Observatory's 20-inch refracting telescope, helps bring Apollo 13 and its crew home. One last burn of the lunar lander engines was needed before the crippled spacecraft's re-entry into the Earth's atmosphere. In order to compute that last burn, NASA needed a precise position of the spacecraft, obtainable only by telescopic observation. All the observatories that could have done this were clouded over, except Oakland's Chabot Observatory, where members of the Eastbay Astronomical Society had been tracking the Moon flights. EAS members received an urgent call from NASA Ames Research Station, which had ties with Chabot's educational program since the 60's, and they put the Observatory's historic 20-inch refractor to work. They were able to send the needed data to Ames, and the Apollo crew was able to make the needed correction and to return safely to Earth on this date in 1970."[23] ”

[edit] Apollo 14Main article: Apollo 14
Elaine Halbedel, from the Corralitos Observatory photographed Apollo 14.[23]

[edit] Apollo 15Main article: Apollo 15
Paul Wilson and Richard T. Knadle, Jr. received voice transmissions from the Command Service Module in lunar orbit on the morning of August 1, 1971. In an article for QST magazine they provide a detailed description of their work, with photographs.[41]

[edit] Apollo 16Main article: Apollo 16
Jewett Observatory at Washington State University reported sightings of Apollo 16.[23]

Honeysuckle Creek tracked Apollo 16 and recorded the audio of the landing.

At least two different radio amateurs, W4HHK and K2RIW, reported reception of Apollo 16 signals with home-built equipment.[42][43]

Sternwarte Bochum Observatory in Germany tracked the astronauts and intercepted the television signals from Apollo 16. The image was re-recorded in black and white in the 625 lines, 25 frames/s television standard onto 2-inch videotape using their sole quad machine. The transmissions are only of the astronauts and do not contain any voice from Houston, as the signal received came from the Moon only. The videotapes are held in storage at the observatory.[44]


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posted on Sep, 15 2011 @ 08:59 PM
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This plays a big role with common sense.. why do u think pictures are smudeged on google earth hiding cities and stuff



posted on Sep, 15 2011 @ 08:59 PM
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The DOD requires SETI to report any unusual signals to them as a matter of national security before being permitted to release the information to the public.

Just because they publicly proclaim something doesn't make it so. Do you really believe that any of the alphabet agencies would be so lax as to permit a civilian organization to go public with such sensitive information? Come on Phage!

I'm not going to waste my time trying to find a link to prove I'm right.



posted on Sep, 15 2011 @ 09:01 PM
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Originally posted by purplemer


I don't really know if this is true or not but this guy Ken Johnston, is saying that there are artifacts and buildings on the moon and that NASA is covering them up.
Either way there are some interesting photos there. Some of which I recognize.
Personally I think there may well be stuff on the moon and I think it is probably man made from previous earth civilizations. I read somewhere that NASA is a branch of the American military. If they found stuff they are not likely to share it. Which is a shame as it is our heritage...

beforeitsnews.com
(visit the link for the full news article)


I totally agree, I think also that alot of the stuff is from previous civilizations from this planet and we went back and saw what people from 15 to 30 or 100 thousand years ago did. We probably have now an operating base that is digging around these ruins and such. You know how you can tell that they are hiding something from the moon. Remember when they where showing us the moon lander and area where the astronauts landed but even with hubble the showed us blurred pictures. If the showed us the high definition pictures then people and scientists would want high definitions of the whole moon surface and then it would show without a doubt artificial structures.



posted on Sep, 15 2011 @ 09:09 PM
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Originally posted by ZIPMATT
apollo astronauts brought what back? < source quotes apollo.

and nasa are covering this up ?

how far can you get away from the truth ? THERE WAS NO APOLLO MISSION > just to make it clear

this ats> you cannot be serious if you think they really actually went to the moon, or ever did

we worked all this out years and years ago.

you've been lied to before, you're being lied to again. is anyone who takes that seriously really worth their salt?

beforeitsnews < thats a rubbish source if i rememeber rightly



First of all, if you are convinced we never went to the Moon, then why are you wasting your time looking at this thread?

Second of all, a close personal friend of mine helped design the laser reflecting mirror that was delivered to the Moon by the Apollo astronauts. It is still in use to this day to precisely measure the distance from Earth to the Moon.



posted on Sep, 15 2011 @ 09:10 PM
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I just dont see how there could be any cities on the moon..... Dont you think amateur astronomers, with their powerful telescopes, would of seen something by now??? But who knows, maybe I'm wrong....


The best earth based telescope can only resolve a moon image about the size of Mt. Everest and determine it is a mountain. The Earth atmosphere causes such distortion and aberration, that it is useless to look for anything smaller. Now... Hubble is a totally different ballgame.



posted on Sep, 15 2011 @ 09:17 PM
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I just dont see how there could be any cities on the moon..... Dont you think amateur astronomers, with their powerful telescopes, would of seen something by now??? But who knows, maybe I'm wrong....


The best earth based telescope can only resolve a moon image about the size of Mt. Everest and determine it is a mountain. The Earth atmosphere causes such distortion and aberration, that it is useless to look for anything smaller. Now... Hubble is a totally different ballgame, as are HighDef mapping satts.
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posted on Sep, 15 2011 @ 09:21 PM
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Originally posted by Qwenn
The strange thing is the Astronauts could take PERFECT photographs on the Moon, yet they can't take even a slightly good picture when it comes to Robot Heads etc, if they had found a head there, they would have bought it back with them. Hey perhaps what they were talking about when they said they had football size rocks to bring back. I just find it strange that they take all of these touristy pictures which can be made into all sorts of merchandise, yet a good old Moon Robot Head mouse mat would have been better, except the picture is rubbish.

Perhaps it was just a leftover C3PO head which they found in the studio and just happened to take a photo of it with a carpy little camera which was filled with out of date film, but I doubt it


i never believed that the astronauts could have taken such perfect pics with the positioning of their cameras .this got me thinking that maybe the only only actual photos that we can trust are the blurry out of focus ones. seeing as how that would be more probable an outcome if i strapped a camera on my chest. on the actual mission if they came across something artificial they would snap a crappy pic, it might be blurry or out of focus but you could still tell what it was . especially if they gave a written or spoken description of what the pics were when analyzing them planet-side. and maybe they had to bring back x amount of moon rocks as a cover and with x amount for found artificial items. and just maybe the robot head was at the bottom of the list of interesting things when it came time to head back to earth.



posted on Sep, 15 2011 @ 09:24 PM
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Originally posted by purplemer

NASA Whistleblower: Alien Moon Cities Exist


beforeitsnews.com

Over the past 40 years other scientists, engineers and technicians have accused NASA of cover-ups and obscuring data.

The growing number of accusers' allegations range from hiding information about anomalous space objects and lying about the discovery of artifacts on the surface of the Moon and Mars, to denying the evidence of life reported back by the Viking lander during the mid-1970s.

According to Johnston, Apollo astronauts brought back photographic evidence of the artifacts they found....
(visit the link for the full news article)



I believe in extraterrestials, etc. but reading news at Before It's News is similar to reading the National Enquirer...
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posted on Sep, 15 2011 @ 09:36 PM
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To lay this idea to rest why wouldnt NASA/Govt just photograph the hell out of the moon surface with the Hubble telescope before they bring it back down to Earth? If that telescope can get clear pictures from other galaxies, I'm sure it could get us clear pictures of the moon, right?



posted on Sep, 15 2011 @ 10:10 PM
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To lay this idea to rest why wouldn't NASA/Govt just photograph the hell out of the moon surface with the Hubble telescope before they bring it back down to Earth? If that telescope can get clear pictures from other galaxies, I'm sure it could get us clear pictures of the moon, right?
It sure could. Will they? Probably not.


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posted on Sep, 15 2011 @ 10:13 PM
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Originally posted by Darkmask
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The DOD requires SETI to report any unusual signals to them as a matter of national security before being permitted to release the information to the public.

Just because they publicly proclaim something doesn't make it so. Do you really believe that any of the alphabet agencies would be so lax as to permit a civilian organization to go public with such sensitive information? Come on Phage!

I'm not going to waste my time trying to find a link to prove I'm right.



In other words, you're embarrassed that you got caught with your pants around your ankles, so you'll follow it up with one last fib that you know you can't prove in a weak attempt to save face. Well played



Originally posted by charlyv
The best earth based telescope can only resolve a moon image about the size of Mt. Everest and determine it is a mountain. The Earth atmosphere causes such distortion and aberration, that it is useless to look for anything smaller. Now... Hubble is a totally different ballgame.


Correct. Phage mentioned in another thread that in order to see the lunar landing sites from Earth, a telescope with a 300' diameter lens would be required. I think people just don't grasp how small the landers were, and how far away they are. The"descent stages" which are the platforms that remain on the moon were a scant 12 feet across. The moon is over 230,000 miles away. It's insane to think an earth-bound telescope could see something that tiny that far away. They're even too small to be seen by Hubble, Hubble's resolution is about 200 meters, so even a football stadium would look like a dot through the Hubble's lens (source).


Originally posted by jhn7537
To lay this idea to rest why wouldnt NASA/Govt just photograph the hell out of the moon surface with the Hubble telescope before they bring it back down to Earth? If that telescope can get clear pictures from other galaxies, I'm sure it could get us clear pictures of the moon, right?


Hubble HAS taken pictures of the moon. Google "hubble moon pics" and you'll see plenty. But as was mentioned above, don't expect to see the landers because they are way too tiny. It would take an orbiting high def satellite to see the lunar lander sites. Too bad it hasn't happened. OH WAIT!!!!



posted on Sep, 15 2011 @ 10:22 PM
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Heck, I'm more interested in seeing if there are alien cities on the moon


To be honest, I would like to see some clear pictures when discussing topics like this. I feel like everytime a topic like this gets brought up we always have some smeared pictures to go off of....



posted on Sep, 15 2011 @ 10:24 PM
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ahahahaahahahahaah, "track" a SIGNAL , a RADIO SIGNAL,

radio signals are Omnidirectional, without extremely sensitive ( not available to the general populous ) multi-locational equipment and geosynchronous timing ( even today a severe challenge, in the 60's impossible for the amateur ,and nearly impossible for the not amateur ) ,tracking a signal, especially one coming from outside the ionosphere, is a very interesting trick ( otherwise GPS WOULD HAVE BEEN A SNAP IN THE 60's) , perhaps you have a different definition of "Tracking" ( well given your posts you certainly do )




a radio wave used to transmit and receive messages radio emission, radio radiation, radio wave - an electromagnetic wave with a wavelength between 0.5 cm to 30,000 m


tracking:


1. Precise and continuous position-finding of targets by radar, optical, or other means. (DOD) 2. In air intercept, a code meaning, "By my evaluation, target is steering true course indicated."



they were (possibly ) receiving a RADIO WAVE , they were not tracking it in any other sense than attenuation ( strength) . TRACKING requires stereoscopic receptors and microsecond differentiation in signal times (Doppler differentiation), your argument ( no matter how long) is not pertinent to any intelligent observer.

for example " I am watching (listening to ) a television program on vhf" is not equivalent to " I am tracking the signal source AND verifying that it is not a repeater" simply by receiving it with equipment unable to , IN ANY WAY TRACK OR VERIFY THE SIGNAL SOURCE
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posted on Sep, 15 2011 @ 10:45 PM
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Okay, so if there were warnings to not return to the moon, and the Chinese plan a trip there soon..... what happens when they get there? Will they be shot at? Shot down? Gain access to alien technology? Their lunar lander is progressing quickly, as is their large rocket technology. They have Plenty of money, thanks to us. Will their old Great Leap Forward be hugely surpassed by a New Great Leap Forward, thanks to alien technology we were afraid to cross the paths of ETs in order to claim and use? Seriously people, the Chinese are nearly ready to go. Should we stop them to avoid pissing off the ETs? Or what? Do we dare give them a new technological advantage over us? Should I start learning Mandarin?



posted on Sep, 15 2011 @ 10:57 PM
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I cant argue the now, but in the next 10 years time I don't think it will matter. China is about to kick our ass in technology. Technology as a whole is going to sky rocket. Once Commercial space flight begins with the likes of SpaceX it won't be long till someone puts a satellite up there that the public can use.

Collapse of a coverup via community open-source works.

-C




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