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Obama hasn't filed "Jobs Act," Republican files his own! What happened to "pass this now?"

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posted on Sep, 15 2011 @ 02:32 PM
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Originally posted by Rockpuck
And by the way ... how the effing hell is the AJA of 2011 150 pages? It can supposedly be summed up in 2 sentences, and yet it's the size of a small novel? I would like to read it if anyone knows where a digital copy can be found...


Here's Gohmert's Bill

Here's Obama's Bill

You're welcome.

jw




posted on Sep, 15 2011 @ 02:35 PM
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the biggest reason there are no jobs is for one inescapable fact governemnt interference.

jobs go to where the money is and that aint here and hasnt been for a long time.

an item made 10,000 miles away and shipped to this country is cheaper than it is making it 1 mile away from where you live.

lots of things seriously wrong with that little factoid.

you address that and the compounding issues from it then you can create wealth which in turns create jobs which in turns create tax revenue for state and federal but most importantly you.

its so simple it really is stupid and raising taxes is a big part of that another part of that is the non stop devaluation of the dollar.

taxes,material costs,payrolls,real estate loans,insurances etc and raise taxes is the difference between profit and bankruptcy.

and no intelligent person doesnt know if you aint got the cash you cant hire
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posted on Sep, 15 2011 @ 02:38 PM
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the biggest reason there are no jobs is for one inescapable fact governemnt interference.

jobs go to where the money is and that aint here and hasnt been for a long time.

an item made 10,000 miles away and shipped to this country is cheaper than it is making it 1 mile away from where you live.

lots of things seriously wrong with that little factoid.

That's what I am saying...why should we pay to ship our crap out and they can ship their crap here free? That's one of those issues there that is government interference via NAFTA.



posted on Sep, 15 2011 @ 02:40 PM
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Originally posted by Rockpuck
reply to post by centurion1211
 


Not to mention, especially in this globalized World, the ultra wealthy can simply leave and trade in another economy. In fact, some of my family actually immigrated to the USA to escape high taxes in Europe, and continued their business in the states. Average people can't get up and leave so easily, for the rich it's not a problem.


My great grandparents were emigre's due to their government's decison to "Collective-ize" farmland.
Their 200 acre homestead in the Midwest is now part of a corporate mega-producer's holdings.

The US government told my grandparents they had to comply with Federal laws and regulations of production because their meager harvests were "affecting interstate commerce," even though none of it ever moved more than 100 miles from the farm, and they never left the county to buy and sell.

They were "federalized" out of existence as "subsistence" famers.

jw



posted on Sep, 15 2011 @ 02:45 PM
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Originally posted by beezzer

Originally posted by links234
Harry Reid submitted the bill in the senate, S.1549 American Jobs Act of 2011 submitted September 13, 2011.


Yup. I do believe it has to be presented to the House, though. Not the senate.



Correct sir.


Plus I needed to see your response one more time in the thread so i can keep laughing. Because some of us paid attention to school house rock....
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posted on Sep, 15 2011 @ 02:46 PM
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Still Obama wanted to tax the bailed out banks but the Republicans block the idea.


Funny that; the Democrats controlled the Executive, Senate, and House in 2009.
They controlled the Executive, Senate and House in 2010.
They control the Executive and Senate in 2011.
The Republicans have had a majority in the House for 8 months of 2011.

The Republicans stopped them?
How?

jw



posted on Sep, 15 2011 @ 02:51 PM
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seems to me when the democrats

took power in 2006 in congress

this country turned to crap

and the bailouts began

hmmmm



posted on Sep, 15 2011 @ 03:32 PM
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A number of Democrats have come out against this bill already.

This bill will never come to a vote this year and Obama knows it.

It will languish in committee while Obama will claim the republicans are stalling it when its really the democrats that will not want it to come to a vote.

There are a number of democrats up for reelection that are afraid if they voted for it that would cause them to lose.

Next year corporations will hold off hiring till after the November elections and they find out who is going to be in office.

Also corporations have a incentive not to hire next year as the more unemployed the more likely a friendly administration will take over



posted on Sep, 15 2011 @ 03:58 PM
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The problem with "Green initiatives" while look good on paper it never get the necessary support from the population to thrive, because initial cost are always too high, specially with the way the economy is now.

Still only a strong bill forcing people to turn into Green energy sources will push the companies to produce, right now is not enough supply and demand for it.

plus I will hate to be forced into anything by government.


It's not only the initial costs, marg, it's the results. The problem with wind, solar, tidal power sources is that they are so very 'weak' as compared with fossil fuels output. It takes way too much physical space for windmills to produce anything useful, for example. All the power output needs to be consumed locally -- they cannot supply power for a city or a region as it now stands. They are 'boutique' power sources at best.



posted on Sep, 15 2011 @ 04:18 PM
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watch this video this is the green policy corruption at its finest



posted on Sep, 15 2011 @ 04:19 PM
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Originally posted by jdub297
I don't think YOU understand. If I cannot make a profit on the products I create or the services I provide, why would I want to do it in the first place?


I don't think you understand, most products we consume are made outside of the US on countries that have no problem with slave labor, when the product comes to the US is all profits

So the cost of goods sold do not apply to most companies that their production lines are no in the US is not Americans working to produce anything because they are in foreign countries.


If I can deduct the "cost of goods sold," ( a "tax break") then I might have something left over after taxes to buy some food or pay the rent.


I don't know about you but I don't think the CEOs in Wal-Mart or any other big corporation in the US are working for pennies.



If I can deduct the money I pay my landlord, phone company, secretary and my helper (overhead - another "tax break"), I might have enough after taxes to buy a phone, computer and lamp.


You make no sense most small businessesare not higher income employers when it comes to tax brakes, only big business benefit more.



If I get a"credit" for hiring an ex-convict to keep up the maintenance and help out (an "incentive), or replace my old, wasteful copier with a newer, efficient one (another "incentive" and amortize it a little faster ( a "tax break") I might have more time to do more work and hire more helpers.

If I incorporate, to protect my family, home and business from frivolous lawsuits, is my "corporation" now evil for taking breaks and credits the law says I'm entitled to?


I see what you are doing you can not compare Wal-Mart with mama and papa Taco stand in the corner dear

I know exactly what you are doing with your example and you and I are not in the same plane.


deny ignorance


Dear you are the one that have to deny ignorance you are mixing the apples and oranges in the same batch.

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posted on Sep, 15 2011 @ 04:23 PM
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Exactly, the big oil mafia will not allow any green initiative to thrive at the expenses of their profits.



posted on Sep, 15 2011 @ 04:28 PM
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Is not going to work at all the money has to come from budget cuts within programs that the government already have allocated to other programs.

This means that to get the stimulus other programs may suffer.



posted on Sep, 15 2011 @ 04:34 PM
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Originally posted by The Old American

Originally posted by defcon5
Yeah, just what we need, lower taxes for corporation on the promise that maybe they’ll create new jobs and increase wages. Like that’s been working so far.


Taxes lowered on businesses may result in job creation.
Taxes raised on businesses won't result in job creation.



/TOA


We have been hearing the former for decades no jobs seem to come from it so why keep giving the breaks?
The second is just plain wrong. Clinton raised taxes and he had one of the lowest unemployment rates in US history. Then Bush got into office and what happened? He gave out tax breaks and unemployment went back up.

THE WHITE HOUSE Office of the Press Secretary


20.4 Million New Jobs Created Under the Clinton-Gore Administration. Since 1993, the economy has added 20.4 million new jobs. That’s the most jobs ever created under a single Administration – and more new jobs than Presidents Reagan and Bush created during their three terms. Under President Clinton, the economy has added an average of 245,000 jobs per month, the highest of any President on record. This compares to 52,000 per month under President Bush and 167,000 per month under President Reagan.



posted on Sep, 15 2011 @ 04:36 PM
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I like your style, go get them. Overwhelm them with facts. I love it.



posted on Sep, 15 2011 @ 04:42 PM
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One thing is to give tax brakes to small businesses to thrive and another tax big money making companies that their base line of productions are oversea.

They bring nothing to the nations when it comes to employment but they get all the profits from slave labor oversea and sales in the US.

Something that is very clear understandable if some will not try to mix oranges and apples in the batch, trying to prove theri point.



posted on Sep, 15 2011 @ 04:52 PM
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Originally posted by jdub297
reply to post by marg6043
 


Still Obama wanted to tax the bailed out banks but the Republicans block the idea.


Funny that; the Democrats controlled the Executive, Senate, and House in 2009.
They controlled the Executive, Senate and House in 2010.
They control the Executive and Senate in 2011.
The Republicans have had a majority in the House for 8 months of 2011.

The Republicans stopped them?
How?

jw


Ever hear of something called a filibuster? It's what politicians use when they don't want something passed.



posted on Sep, 15 2011 @ 04:56 PM
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Tax Cuts for the rich create jobs outside the US

A standard right wing talking point is that tax cuts for the rich and corporations create jobs.

This is, actually, true. They create jobs overseas.


crooksandliars.com...



posted on Sep, 15 2011 @ 06:59 PM
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Originally posted by buster2010

Originally posted by jdub297
reply to post by marg6043
 


Still Obama wanted to tax the bailed out banks but the Republicans block the idea.


Funny that; the Democrats controlled the Executive, Senate, and House in 2009.
They controlled the Executive, Senate and House in 2010.
They control the Executive and Senate in 2011.
The Republicans have had a majority in the House for 8 months of 2011.

The Republicans stopped them?
How?

jw


Ever hear of something called a filibuster? It's what politicians use when they don't want something passed.


That ignores the fact that for a time democrats had enough votes in the senate t override a filibuster.

Carry on ...



posted on Sep, 15 2011 @ 07:05 PM
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they didn't because under Bush they were all corporate whores like they are today and so Republicans, they don't care about any of us, that so call stimulus is nothing but to help keep states in trouble working but jobs it will not create just like the last stimulus didn't either.

But you knew that right? Obama is not a Socialist he is as corporate bought out as Bush was



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