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posted on Sep, 15 2011 @ 03:58 PM
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why would a plant require legs in a normal situation ? in what environment that you see plant life do you see the need for legs ? do they chase down zebra or antelope?, lots of plants move without the need for legs though and there is a walking palm, that walks a meter a year.

We got the legs so that we could walk the earth and hunt animals that moved the plants grow near a water source and use the sun to get energy so dont really have the need for legs, some plants evolved to digest insects also, though,

They are all different genus of the same species

Wee Mad Mental




posted on Sep, 15 2011 @ 03:59 PM
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Originally posted by sacgamer25
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I don't vote because we don't live in a democracy and I am a well educated business man whose decisions impact hundreds of people. And not one of them believes I am crazy. And I believe in a young earth that neither I nor science can explain.



Actually how do you know that none of them think you're crazy. If I found out you believed in a young earth I would certainly think you are crazy. Sometimes with crazy people it is more expedient to humor them then engage them; again it is like arguing the color of grass with a 6 year old. Just because you make decisions -- doesn't mean they are either important or good. I would also argue about the well educated part, you can go to school but a lot of people just don't get it. I can show you tons of "well educated" network engineers who can not troubleshoot to save their lives.
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posted on Sep, 15 2011 @ 04:00 PM
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Honestly, it read to me like they were trying to be extremely specific regarding the sizes, but it's whatever to me and really doesn't matter. However, they were trying to show that your statement regarding mathematical inaccuracies in other religion's 'holy texts' doesn't quite hold up in the bible either. Of course, I'm sure these figures have also been amended several times over in the bible over the years.

Although I did think of at least one religion that actually can be proven false for you...it's one that's so ridiculous I normally don't think of it as anything more than a collection of insane people. - Scientology



posted on Sep, 15 2011 @ 04:00 PM
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Buddy, if you think that those are guns, then your gonna have a rough time on this forum


I was just asking for clarity, and wether or not you hit the wrong button... which was apparently the case. So dont worry about it!



posted on Sep, 15 2011 @ 04:01 PM
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Originally posted by sacgamer25
Well if I believe God created everything, its not that great a leap of faith that he got them all in the ark now is it.
Then you should ask, "If he's going to go through that trouble to get all those animals to safety on a boat, why not just build the boat himself instead of having an old man and his sons do it?" Or "Why doesn't he just teleport them to another inhabitable planet while he kills everyone on this one?" Or "Why doesn't he just snap his fingers and kill everyone that he wants dead instead of using a natural phenomenon such as a flood, where there could be survivors?"

I mean, if he's going to bring all the animals to safety himself, why stop there?

EDIT: Connector beat me to it.
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posted on Sep, 15 2011 @ 04:03 PM
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Originally posted by Hydroman

Originally posted by sacgamer25
I actually believe that the earth is 6000 years old based on my interpretation of the bible. To date I have not found that evidence and i have read much.

Do you follow the creation account as a literal interpretation? If so, you must believe that the rest of the universe was created on day 4? That means that the universe is also the same age as the earth.

Now, do you believe that what scientists have calculated for light speed to be correct? If not, what is your estimation?

Next, the supernova. A supernova is what we call a star when it's life ends and it explodes. We can see that change in light in exploded stars. There are stars that we have witnessed going supernova in the billions of light years away from us. This means that when that star exploded, it took a time of billions of years to reach us traveling at the speed of light.

I have heard the answer that god created the light already in its path, just as he created man already grown. Did he then create stars that were exploding with their light already in its path? No he didn't. Here's why: We have seen stars in their normal light, then we have seen them going supernova. This means that the star was already shining normally, then it exploded later and it took the light a certain amount of time to get here traveling at light speed.
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I debated that with myself for quite some time. I used to lean toward science on this one. Then one day I realized if I was GOD and I created all the heavens, gets bigger everyday, I would probably make sure the light was visible from the start. I mean its the only logical explanation that fits the bible and it still makes more since than the big bang. Why create all those Galaxy's, planets and stars if no one can see them? So i believe physics and Creation can co-exist. Its also not that hard to imagine he created these events to be visible as they help us understand the universe. One of the biggest problems with Star distance is we make many assumptions just as we do with the age of the earth. I cannot base any faith in man on assumptions as man proves daily that he is not wise. God never seems to let me down.



posted on Sep, 15 2011 @ 04:03 PM
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Having a belief in an imaginary being that you think created us because you are unsure of the origins of life is a primitive superstition. I don't need to know what your particular beliefs are. We are unsure... why can't people be alright with not knowing? We will know eventually.



posted on Sep, 15 2011 @ 04:04 PM
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We are getting off topic. I still am only trying to help the OPs claim that science as much faith as God. I'm not trying to debate God here. Sorry for getting off topic all.



posted on Sep, 15 2011 @ 04:04 PM
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news.nationalgeographic.com...

This lizard underwent rapid evolution on an island in just a few decades after its introduction. These lizards have developed a completely new gut structure, larger heads, and a harder bite. Evolution at work.



posted on Sep, 15 2011 @ 04:05 PM
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I was trying to silly with the guns talk.



posted on Sep, 15 2011 @ 04:06 PM
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Originally posted by Tony4211
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Having a belief in an imaginary being that you think created us because you are unsure of the origins of life is a primitive superstition. I don't need to know what your particular beliefs are. We are unsure... why can't people be alright with not knowing? We will know eventually.


That is true on top of that Darwin doesn't even pretend to explain the origin of life - or earth or the or the solar system or the universe -- those are different disciplines.



posted on Sep, 15 2011 @ 04:06 PM
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Originally posted by sacgamer25
I debated that with myself for quite some time. I used to lean toward science on this one. Then one day I realized if I was GOD and I created all the heavens, gets bigger everyday, I would probably make sure the light was visible from the start. I mean its the only logical explanation that fits the bible and it still makes more since than the big bang. Why create all those Galaxy's, planets and stars if no one can see them? So i believe physics and Creation can co-exist. Its also not that hard to imagine he created these events to be visible as they help us understand the universe. One of the biggest problems with Star distance is we make many assumptions just as we do with the age of the earth. I cannot base any faith in man on assumptions as man proves daily that he is not wise. God never seems to let me down.
I already answered this with the supernova example. You're saying he created exploding stars? Are you also saying that stars we see TODAY going supernova, that the light gets here within 6000 years, instead of the millions of light years it would take the light to travel? Again, we see stars TODAY, that have not gone supernova, go supernova...and if that star is millions of light years away, it takes that light millions of years to get here. Do you see what I'm saying?
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posted on Sep, 15 2011 @ 04:09 PM
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Originally posted by sacgamer25
reply to post by izero
 


I don't vote because we don't live in a democracy and I am a well educated business man whose decisions impact hundreds of people. And not one of them believes I am crazy. And I believe in a young earth that neither I nor science can explain.



Recently science is finding evidence that man or at least the evolutionary ancestors of man

are actually much much older than previously believed.



posted on Sep, 15 2011 @ 04:11 PM
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You base your age of the universe on distances and assumptions that intentionally eliminate god that cannot be proven . Faith
I base mine on God. Faith



posted on Sep, 15 2011 @ 04:11 PM
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Stars to that, lol.

I was like "Woah! what did i say?" And proceeded to read over my comment multiple times.



posted on Sep, 15 2011 @ 04:12 PM
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You base the age of these findings on dating methods that are proven to be flawed. Faith
I base mine on God. Faith



posted on Sep, 15 2011 @ 04:19 PM
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Originally posted by Tony4211
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Having a belief in an imaginary being that you think created us because you are unsure of the origins of life is a primitive superstition. I don't need to know what your particular beliefs are. We are unsure... why can't people be alright with not knowing? We will know eventually.


Did you even read my whole post that you tried to respond to the first time?

I said I believe in evolution and science. I also said I have faith in God.

What makes you so sure that God is an imaginary being?

Not only are you being ignorant but you're also assuming to know a lot about my beliefs.

You responded to the wrong post in the first place and now you're contradicting yourself.

If you admit that you are unsure about evolution and believe we will eventually understand.

Then how in the hell are you so sure about your understanding of God?



posted on Sep, 15 2011 @ 04:19 PM
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Originally posted by sacgamer25
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A cubit was not an exact ruler length at the time. It could vary from 17-18 inches. It wasn't all that important and the story was not told in the kind of detail that would assume we should take it as exact and not conforming to pi. But since a logical explanation can be hypothesized about based on the text itself. My faith is intact.


But you say that science is flawed because things are proven wrong. Do you not know that the base - the genesis - the very essence of science is to prove something wrong -- that is the very strength of science. Your system is all squishy about the facts and can not stand implications that the dogma is flawed. Your faith is strong because your eyes are blind. You sound like one of the priests defending heliocentrism. A sad and pathetic state.



posted on Sep, 15 2011 @ 04:21 PM
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The carbon dating is flawed by +/- 1500 years.

That's plenty accurate for determining if something is a million years old or not



posted on Sep, 15 2011 @ 04:24 PM
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Originally posted by sacgamer25
You base your age of the universe on distances and assumptions that intentionally eliminate god that cannot be proven . Faith

Math proves it = not faith.




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