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reply posted on 14-9-2011 @ 10:58 AM by hmdphantom
reply to post by hooper





Well, you asked for it. Here it is. I am providing the link to the American Society of Civil Engineers Pentagon Building Performance Study.


Civil Engineers won't lie ?



They won't be bribed ?

Is that true?



reply posted on 14-9-2011 @ 11:00 AM by hmdphantom
reply to post by Vardoger





Also, I'm not going to believe a word NIST or the government tells me about the pentagon when they are still holding over 80 video feeds directly filming the impact and arn't releasing under "national security."


I think that they can do all kinds of researches in particular situations like this.

May be I am a civil engineer ??
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reply posted on 14-9-2011 @ 11:06 AM by colin42
reply to post by hooper



on page 19 the arial veiw. Are my old eyes failing or is the shadow of the plane different from all the other shadows being cast? I.E. on the wrong side.


reply posted on 14-9-2011 @ 11:09 AM by Vardoger
reply to post by hmdphantom



Maybe I am a Mechanical.... that fight won't ever end ha! Civils vs Mechs foreva!

Back on track, yes we could study the damage done to the pentagon for years. I just don't understand the point of the report. No one is debating that the pentagon got hit and suffered damage. The damage sustained and the "debris" left behind are whats under debate for not being consistent with a jumbo jet impact. But hey, if you really want to convince me, then release the footage....what you scared it might show something different?


reply posted on 14-9-2011 @ 11:36 AM by hooper
reply to post by Vardoger



The offical story meaning how a jumbo jet somehow completely vaporized on impact....

Please find in the report I linked where it is stated that the plane "completely vaporized on impact".

Otherwise you are just arguing with yourself.


reply posted on 14-9-2011 @ 11:39 AM by hooper
reply to post by hmdphantom



Civil Engineers won't lie ?
They won't be bribed ?
Is that true?


That's it? Thats the basis for the conspiracy? That anyone who says something you don't like is lying? Wow.


reply posted on 14-9-2011 @ 11:43 AM by hooper
Originally posted by colin42
reply to
post by hooper



on page 19 the arial veiw. Are my old eyes failing or is the shadow of the plane different from all the other shadows being cast? I.E. on the wrong side.


You realize that the aerial photo has been MODIFIED to show the approach of the plane. The plane is not actually in the photo. It says its been modified. So the shadow may not be perfectly representative.


reply posted on 14-9-2011 @ 11:48 AM by hooper
reply to post by Cobaltic1978



Seriously?

Yep, and so far I have incredulity, accusations of lying, misrepresentation and misreading.
I thought you had found something new to bring to the table.

Sorry, the truth doesn't change over time.
Some irrefutable evidence that at last would bring about a conclusion to to the conspiracies surronding the events of 9/11.

Well, actually, there are no conspiracies surrounding the event and it is concluded.
Why am I not surprised you would bring this?

You shouldn't be. Someone wanted a thread about the "official story" what else would I bring? Catcher in the Rye?
Just surprised you didn't bring along the 9/11 commission report.

One thing at a time.


reply posted on 14-9-2011 @ 12:00 PM by hmdphantom
reply to post by hooper





That's it? Thats the basis for the conspiracy? That anyone who says something you don't like is lying? Wow.


No, That is not it.

I told you this to consider a probability for things that I said.

I think that you should look at the big picture.

The whole story is a mixture of facts and lies.

Facts


It was an attack to terror people.
Many people died.

Lies


It was done by OBL (Taliban).

Result


A: OBL attacked American soil.
B: OBL is in Afghanistan.
A+B = We should Attack Afghan people.
( getting wrong result from an statement ) : Manipulation.
+ maybe you argue with me that it was done by OBL . Even if OBL did it, What did Afghan people do wrong ? Why should they be killed ?
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reply posted on 14-9-2011 @ 12:01 PM by Vardoger
reply to post by hooper



Where is it then? did it burn? disintegrate? vanish? alien took it? but then thought it to be wise to at least leave something and not knowing what engine to use drop whatever one they happened to have in stock on their mother ship?

Big question with the pentagon is. Where is the jet?
a) Leading up to impact
b) Directly before impact (I guess that one frame is supposed to show the nose?)
c) During Impact (I guess the whole length is covered by the fireball eh?)
d) After impact (clean up? oh right...spare parts pick up)

Releasing the 80+ video feeds should clear all that up anything else is an educated guess.
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reply posted on 14-9-2011 @ 12:05 PM by hooper
reply to post by hmdphantom



Any answers?


Any questions?

Never mind. I really don't what you are getting at. OBL was the leader of an organization that orchestrated 9/11. He was known to be in Afghanistan. We requested that the then government of Afghanistan turn him over for trial. They refused. They were also offering support to the organization. We went to get him and terminate the organization. Could have been avoided.


reply posted on 14-9-2011 @ 12:08 PM by hmdphantom
reply to post by hooper



The question : What did Afghan people do wrong ? Why should they be killed ?


We requested that the then government of Afghanistan turn him over for trial. They refused


Any documents on that ?

Thank you for replies.


reply posted on 14-9-2011 @ 12:19 PM by hooper
reply to post by hmdphantom



The question : What did Afghan people do wrong ?

The "people" via their government were harboring a terrorist and terror organization that was responsible for the murder of 3000 citizens of another country.
Why should they be killed ?

You should ask the Afghan people, they are doing most of the killing. If any of the Afghan "people" were responsible for 9/11 what would you suggest? Cookies? If you attack another country and kill its citizens you shouldn't expect flowers and kudos.
Any documents on that ?

Thats common knoweldge. It was all over the news, I believe GW Bush even spoke to the issue publically.
Thank you for replies.

Any comments about the ASCE report?


reply posted on 14-9-2011 @ 12:52 PM by hooper
reply to post by Vardoger



Where is it then?

I really don't know where the remains of Flight 77 reside. Call American Airlines. Or the FBI. Or sit in front of your computer and challenge anonymous posters on the internet to provide you with evidence. But if that is the path you choose to search for the "truth" then so be it.
did it burn?

I am sure some of it did.
disintegrate?

If you mean break apart into smaller units, yes.
vanish?

Do you think that anything you can't see must have vanished? When you close your eyes does the world disppear?
alien took it?

Hmmmm, all those options and you forgot about the one that included the remains of the plane were collected and are being stored.
....but then thought it to be wise to at least leave something and not knowing what engine to use drop whatever one they happened to have in stock on their mother ship?

Yeah, thats the ticket. Well, that and all those pieces they picked up.
Big question with the pentagon is. Where is the jet?
a) Leading up to impact

Huh? Well, its outside the building. How far back do you want to go?
b) Directly before impact (I guess that one frame is supposed to show the nose?)

Directly outside the building.
c) During Impact (I guess the whole length is covered by the fireball eh?)

In the building?
d) After impact (clean up? oh right...spare parts pick up)

Still in the building. And then clean up. You did expect to eventually clean up the site, correct? Or should they have waited till you had a chance to walk through?
Releasing the 80+ video feeds should clear all that up anything else is an educated guess.

There is a detailed list available on the internet of all those videos, please indicate the ones you want released. Better yet, file a FOIA request. But I forget, that's not the path to "truth" you have choosen.


reply posted on 14-9-2011 @ 12:57 PM by hooper
reply to post by Six6Six



Actually I think the problem was and still may be that the USA has always been ready to defend itself against a true attack, one where the threat is against the nation. However, 9/11 was not an attack in the traditional military/political sense. There was never a threat to our form of government or nation. It was an act of mass murder, more a criminal event then a military event. That is where our form of government has always been weak. That thin gray area between acts of war and criminal acts. Our military and our civilian authorities have different missions.
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