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Originally posted by SteveR
I am happy to see people are finally waking up. There comes a point when God given critical analysis and intellect triumphs over a misplaced sense of justice and a need to believe. For many, the subconscious denial and selective thinking necessitated by those strong emotions has run its course. One runs out of straws to grasp when those straws always run contrary to fact.
For this man, it eventually became unsustainable.
He goes some way to righting his wrongs in this vid.
Perhaps for some, there will never be sufficient explanations. No matter what I or anyone posts. But those people are not operating logically and as consequence, they furnish themselves with a distorted mental model of the world. There are variations, but it loosely follows the same pattern of reverse implication.
President Bush and his Zionist buddies conspired to murder 3000 of their own people for political gain. There are no Al Qaeda or Islamic fundamentalists, just fictional bogeymen cooked up by CIA operatives.
This should be openly challenged in society wherever it rears its ugly head, not only are these views toxic to the country, but they completely deny the very threats we face from Islamic terrorism.
In this way it is a major injustice to the men, women and children who were taken from us that fateful day, by none other than Islamic terrorists.
I too was a convinced conspiracist. I studied the peculiarities and technicalities of these claims for five years. In an exhaustive search of sources, way beyond those supplied on the typical truth sites and threads, I can finally say nothing has truly stood up to critical analysis. It is true that people simply believe what they want to believe.
Sorry to disappoint those who expected a litany of debunking facts. I am happy to discuss details, but remember, if I could find them so can you. A rational mind does his/her homework before making dramatic claims. If you jump on the bandwagon because it's 'hip' and you've seen a few videos (like the utterly discredited Loose Change), you are just surrendering your intellect to others. A sin and a shame.
There are plenty of very important discussions to be had about 9/11 and its consequences, but the truth movement is far more interested in the fantastical. Another disservice.
"The search for truth and knowledge is one of the finest attributes of a man, though often it is most loudly voiced by those who strive for it the least." -- Albert Einstein
Originally posted by joinreality
This may just be simple thinking, but in my opinion I think we should just stop responding to the paranoid who believe that the thousands murdered on September 11, 2001 were committed by those in power instead of evil radicals who hate our way of life.
Originally posted by nightbringr
Is it just me, or do people get extremely defensive when people question truthers?
Ive seen so many accusations of "you believe anything the government tells you!". Why im not sure. I certainly distrust my government and certainly dont believe everything they tell me. That being said, pulling off 9/11 simply to make war is preposterous.
There is overwhelming evidence that the Bush administration overlooked important intel that would have allowed them to prevent 9/11. If it was simply justification for them to invade Iraq, somthing MUCH less complicated could have been cooked up as a false flag. There simply was no need for the massive operation undertaken. An anthrax attack on US citizens blamed on Iraq (thus justfiying the WMD claims) would have sufficed.
Another poster made a good point. If this was all justifcation to go to war, why did the US not "plant" WMD in Iraq to bolster their claims? It would have certainly made the Bush administration look like gold. Seems like a simple little thing to do after pulling off the massive 9/11 operation.
So to review things. I dislike the US government, but i dont for a minute believe they orchestrated 9/11.
Originally posted by nightbringr
Originally posted by annonymous1234
I was always on the fence about 9/11. And then I heard that the FBI released a bunch of pictures of the terrorists who were armed with box cutters. And it had turned out that some of those people were still alive across the world living normal lives. So someone please debunk that for me. Until then I guess I'm delusional and an overall bad person and not normal at all
So tell us what the names of the terrorists who supposedly died on 9/11, and then show us a source of proveing they didnt die.
Or just give me the names and ill do my own research. Im sure thats an easy one to debunk.
That being said, pulling off 9/11 simply to make war is preposterous.
Originally posted by DenyStupidity
Originally posted by SteveR
The fact is that those buildings came down under large fires and did you forget a plane hit them also?
I must have missed the bit where a plane hit Building 7, what next fire can melt steel? find me footage of one, just one building falling into itself due to fire, (imagine how much footage there must be) oh wait there isn't one, unless its in a movie. buildings don't DROP the way WC7 fell. think leaning tower of PISA.
Originally posted by Taggart
Is it really ludicrous that they would use a false flag to go to war? Don't the US government have a history of doing just that.
Originally posted by nightbringr
Originally posted by Taggart
Is it really ludicrous that they would use a false flag to go to war? Don't the US government have a history of doing just that.
Of course they do. Im not denying that. In denying THIS instance. Do you not think if they wanted justification they could have come up with a better, less involved plan? I do.
Originally posted by joinreality
This may just be simple thinking, but in my opinion I think we should just stop responding to the paranoid who believe that the thousands murdered on September 11, 2001 were committed by those in power instead of evil radicals who hate our way of life. After all, these theories are all these people have in their lives and who are we to take that away from them?!
Originally posted by DenyStupidity
Originally posted by SteveR
I am happy to see people are finally waking up. There comes a point when God given critical analysis and intellect triumphs over a misplaced sense of justice and a need to believe. For many, the subconscious denial and selective thinking necessitated by those strong emotions has run its course. One runs out of straws to grasp when those straws always run contrary to fact.
For this man, it eventually became unsustainable.
He goes some way to righting his wrongs in this vid.
Perhaps for some, there will never be sufficient explanations. No matter what I or anyone posts. But those people are not operating logically and as consequence, they furnish themselves with a distorted mental model of the world. There are variations, but it loosely follows the same pattern of reverse implication.
President Bush and his Zionist buddies conspired to murder 3000 of their own people for political gain. There are no Al Qaeda or Islamic fundamentalists, just fictional bogeymen cooked up by CIA operatives.
This should be openly challenged in society wherever it rears its ugly head, not only are these views toxic to the country, but they completely deny the very threats we face from Islamic terrorism.
In this way it is a major injustice to the men, women and children who were taken from us that fateful day, by none other than Islamic terrorists.
I too was a convinced conspiracist. I studied the peculiarities and technicalities of these claims for five years. In an exhaustive search of sources, way beyond those supplied on the typical truth sites and threads, I can finally say nothing has truly stood up to critical analysis. It is true that people simply believe what they want to believe.
Sorry to disappoint those who expected a litany of debunking facts. I am happy to discuss details, but remember, if I could find them so can you. A rational mind does his/her homework before making dramatic claims. If you jump on the bandwagon because it's 'hip' and you've seen a few videos (like the utterly discredited Loose Change), you are just surrendering your intellect to others. A sin and a shame.
There are plenty of very important discussions to be had about 9/11 and its consequences, but the truth movement is far more interested in the fantastical. Another disservice.
"The search for truth and knowledge is one of the finest attributes of a man, though often it is most loudly voiced by those who strive for it the least." -- Albert Einstein
Great GREAT post!
Finally some sense in the world.
All you people saying how the American government did this are lunatics, you are being mislead by the extremists themselves. They posted bits of information to start this delusion in the first place and now your running with it. The fact is that those buildings came down under large fires and did you forget a plane hit them also?
If you even begin to reply to me with nonsense anymore I won't even bother with you. You and anyone else do not deserve any limelight, now go away and question yourself again because your poisoning minds.
Originally posted by Taggart
Originally posted by nightbringr
Originally posted by Taggart
Is it really ludicrous that they would use a false flag to go to war? Don't the US government have a history of doing just that.
Of course they do. Im not denying that. In denying THIS instance. Do you not think if they wanted justification they could have come up with a better, less involved plan? I do.
Perhaps it was so big you couldn't miss it, remembered forever. Now if they blamed an anthrax threat (less visible) the government may look as though they are in fact war criminals when invading other countries.
I'm not saying that is true but it would be an excuse to go BIG.