Why doesnt Texas just serceed from the united states and have Ron Paul the leader?

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posted on Sep, 14 2011 @ 06:00 AM
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If TPTB dont want Ron Paul to win and they rig the election and instill some puppet tool to keep feeding the drooling masses garbage. Why dont all the Ron Paul supporters and true Americans just piss Washington DC off and run themselves. Hell if Ron Paul was running for prime minister here in Australia not only would i vote for him but i would volunteer to help him win.

As Americans what are all you supporters doing to help spread the word and help him gain donations?

We all know he has a hard fight and an unlikely chance of winning.... BUT why is that? Its because we also know the system is corrupt we can see it with our eyes. You see it when they have debates that dont let him speak. Why are you tolerating this insanity? DO SOMETHING.. this is your chance. this is the guy you need to support.

There is no messiah there is no one man will fix all the problems but he is the best thing you have going. if you cant see that then you need to split the country into 2

one half for idiots who want to watch jersy shore and get fat off the misery and suffering of other nations

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another half that wasn't to bring America back to what it stood for originally. Jesus im not even American and im pissed off about what has been done to your country. As i have stated in other posts Ron Paul is your last and only hope. If he turns out to be just another BullS#T artist you guys should just give up and accept your slavery or start a revolution. There is no middle ground.
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posted on Sep, 14 2011 @ 06:06 AM
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Simply put Texas can't afford to leave the union. Sure they talk about how wealthy they are but when they stop to think how much they get from the government they fall way short.




posted on Sep, 14 2011 @ 06:11 AM
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That was along my mindset as well.

When the issues are at the Federal level, what good would it do for a state to leave? Reason I ask is they would then have to assume the functions that were reserved for the Federal Government (diplomacy, trade agreements, military, military relations, military upkeep, research and development).

I would rather see the people, and not the states, hold the Feds accountible by actually participating in the process and holding elected officals accountible.



posted on Sep, 14 2011 @ 06:14 AM
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Texas keeps on voting in Rick Perry (longest running Governor in the history of the state). So even if Texas left the union and became its own country, they would vote in Rick Perry... Perry also has under his belt as Governor that he has appointed more positions to the state than any other Governor. Texans love them some Rick Perry...



posted on Sep, 14 2011 @ 06:15 AM
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OK so how many states need to break away to be self sustaining? How prosperous is Texas right now? If the current system is broken and the people in power wont let you fix it what are you going to do? This is a serious and legitimate question?

Nobody is denying the US is in more trouble that its ever been. Im not just talking financial im talking corruption and total mind washing of the population. Are you all going to keep living like this till you all just drop dead from sheer lack of will to live??



posted on Sep, 14 2011 @ 06:17 AM
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TX gets back less than it pays most years.

And if TX could police its own borders, the government systems and a crapload of wealth could be freed up by not having to support illegals.

Yes, TX has its issues, but it is one of the only states that could survive on its own if push came to shove.


 
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posted on Sep, 14 2011 @ 06:22 AM
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Originally posted by Xcathdra
reply to post by buster2010
 


That was along my mindset as well.

When the issues are at the Federal level, what good would it do for a state to leave? Reason I ask is they would then have to assume the functions that were reserved for the Federal Government (diplomacy, trade agreements, military, military relations, military upkeep, research and development).

I would rather see the people, and not the states, hold the Feds accountible by actually participating in the process and holding elected officals accountible.


Are you factoring into this equation human greed and corruption? votes can be rigged elections are bought, anybody knows that. The person with the most money to spend wins.

what im suggesting is if people are that sick of the system then they should just walk the hell away from it all. Find a state that wants to be governed fairly and without fat cats promising the world and delivering nothing.

What do you have to loose? nothing. because you have nothing left.



posted on Sep, 14 2011 @ 06:29 AM
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Originally posted by Lemon.Fresh
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TX gets back less than it pays most years.

And if TX could police its own borders, the government systems and a crapload of wealth could be freed up by not having to support illegals.

Yes, TX has its issues, but it is one of the only states that could survive on its own if push came to shove.


 
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.....MAYBE...... And it would be hard as hell for a very long time... But this is something we wont do anyway. If we did I would move to Oklahoma. I love being a Texan, but I love being a United States citizen more.


That said..... "serceed" is making me laugh.



posted on Sep, 14 2011 @ 06:32 AM
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Right, because a fractured country is so much better off to make a stand and challenge the corruption. Ceding from the Union is a divide and conquer strategy for the groups you refer to.

Id rather see the people, as a nation, stand up and tell the federal government to reform or get out than see states / citizens get out.

Its our country, not theres, and im not quite ready to throw the towel in to let them win.



posted on Sep, 14 2011 @ 06:37 AM
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Originally posted by Xcathdra
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Right, because a fractured country is so much better off to make a stand and challenge the corruption. Ceding from the Union is a divide and conquer strategy for the groups you refer to.

Id rather see the people, as a nation, stand up and tell the federal government to reform or get out than see states / citizens get out.

Its our country, not theres, and im not quite ready to throw the towel in to let them win.


it will never happen. there are too many stupid people who are addicted to the current sickness



posted on Sep, 14 2011 @ 06:41 AM
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Originally posted by TiM3LoRd
it will never happen. there are too many stupid people who are addicted to the current sickness


I believe King George was heard making the same comment when he was told about some petty commoners in far off colonies causing some issues.



posted on Sep, 14 2011 @ 06:42 AM
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uh, because ... You know my response was going to b as such.. "because rick perry is 'leading' the poles for president, and hes from texas..". But now I wonder.. Yeah! Why the hell not? Hmmm.. I always would have seen california go first. It would be beneficial from financially fo both the u.s. And california.



posted on Sep, 14 2011 @ 06:43 AM
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IF this happens I will return to Texas.



posted on Sep, 14 2011 @ 06:45 AM
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Because Texas....has no economy...
See using our brains help
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posted on Sep, 14 2011 @ 06:54 AM
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Originally posted by RadeonGFXRHumanGTXisAlien
Because Texas....has no economy...
See using our brains help
.



HAHA your entire country has no economy. If it wasnt for illegal wars and looting other countries whats your source of income???

You create new economies by stopping Chinese imports and making everything in house. We have the technology to farm arid land. once the basics are covered you can invest the extra resources to developing a better and fair standard of living. Giving politicians your money and expecting them not to pocket it themselves its the height of naivety.
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posted on Sep, 14 2011 @ 07:13 AM
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because the last time anybody tryed to serceed,

thems went to war.



posted on Sep, 14 2011 @ 07:19 AM
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Originally posted by RelentlessLurker
because the last time anybody tryed to serceed,

thems went to war.


We are all in a war whether we realize it or not.



posted on Sep, 14 2011 @ 07:29 AM
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I live in texas and the poll showed ron paul smashing perry upon texan voters



posted on Sep, 14 2011 @ 07:37 AM
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now would be the perfect time to do it.

with NATO allowing/enforcing all of these "uprisings" and "revolutions" going on across the world it would look a bit hypocritical of the united states not to let one of its own go solo.



posted on Sep, 14 2011 @ 08:06 AM
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The US populace is in a love-hate relationship with our government. We love our country and the ideals it was founded upon, and we want to work within our system to correct it peacefully if we can.

The last time we tried to change the system by force, it resulted in hundreds of thousands of deaths, mass carnage and destruction of people's lives, farms, homes, towns, businesses...and lives. So if we go down that road, it will be hesitantly and with caution.

Oddly enough, the very people and states that rebelled in the US Civil War of 1861-65, are also some of the most patriotic citizens... we love our country... The United States of America.

That being said, many are angry, frustrated, and disappointed at the road down which ourleaders are taking us. But it will have to get much worse for a state or states to try to secceed from the Union.

Again...look to your history books...if you don't trust them, go to actual news paper articles, diaries, letters of the people that lived in those times...be it the American revolution or the US Civil War.... the was NO MAJORITY that wanted to rebell or seceed. The predominant majority were disgruntled, but were not ready to start an armed conflict against the governing body.

What changed people's minds were a series of unfortunate confrontations and events that galvanized the populace... up until those incidents, there were protests..both verbal and civil... but no taking up of arms on a mass scale.

Boston Tea Party...a motley band of business and civilian leaders disguised as indians, boarded a merchant ship in Bostan harbor and threw over cases of valuable tea to protest the tea tax.

The Boston Massacre...a large group of colonists went from being very vocal at a local protest and rally to being a mounting threat in front of a british garrison of troops trying to maintain order...someone freaked and shots were fired... some of the colonists were killed. it was hardly a "massacre" as we understand them, but it was a big PR tool for the colonists and spread like wildfire through the colonies...and it resulted in a course of action that led to out right rebellion at Lexington and Concord.

It will be just such an "accidental incident" that will galvanize the American people... an accidental shooting or raid...an unjust act on someone or something that tears at the cultural and social fabric of our country. I can't help but think of the little girl that is accidentally shot on purpose in "V is for Vendetta"... that is what will be the catalyst for open rebellion.

Until then, like the colonist of the American Revolution...only 30% will favor rebellion...the other 70% will favor the status quo.





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