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You're such a racist without realising it
they always talk about Muslim immigrants. Aren't there any Greek Muslims? And even if there aren't any Greek Muslims, what's the problem with immigrants?
what's the problem with immigrants?
That's a little strange, in a country with 11 million inhabitants, some from Turkish and Albanian descent.
Originally posted by Agent_USA_Supporter
There are no Greek Muslims only immigrants, when i went to greece the last time i have been told by an immigrant whose working as a taxi driver in athens, immigrants dont have a right to citizenships unless you have money to get a citizenship
The way you wrote it looks like it was a religious problem, when, in fact, it was not. The November 2005 (time flies, doesn't it?) riots had mostly young people from North Africa descent, so, Muslims, but it was not because they were Muslims, it was because they were from the poor neighbourhoods.
The Greeks dont want there own french Muslim riot, i assure how bad that went in french back in 2009 if i remember correctally?
what's the problem with immigrants?
Do you have any real link to those threats? As far as I have seen they appear only on some articles, with no real evidence of their existence.
Originally posted by Phantom traveller
They are not citizents of this country and they have no right to make demands/threats like that.
Because, I suppose, Greeks liked to be respected when they immigrated to other countries.
Why should we respect them?
It looks like Greece isn't a place where I would like to live...
If they build the mosque the attacks against the muslims will become more frequent and the whole thing will cause more problems than they imagine.
Originally posted by Beavers
why do want to stop people from praying to their god?
why on earth do you give a f#?
Originally posted by On the level
Its the way of the world, cant wait until a Christian terrorist flies a plan into Mecca as see how they like it, cant wait for the people to snap and for the muslims to be put in their place in Europe. We do not want their religion or laws, if they wish to live under sharia then go to a country that has these backward customs. I am a bit of a paradox as I defend Palestinians and their right to live, however I hate the creeping islamification of Europe and the attitude of muslims hear that they can do as they wish and dictate how we live to suit their #ed up religionedit on 14/9/11 by On the level because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by mr-lizard
God. hypothetical, unproven, belief.
The real people are the ones whom have been threatened.
Originally posted by mike_trivisonno
reply to post by 23432
Perhaps it is because the stated goals of Islam for the last 1,400 years has been to force all peoples of planet Earth to submit to Allah and pray towards mecca and the back rock from space enshrined there.
No Compulsion in Islam .
Ottomans who ruled over Greeks for a long time , didn't do anything forcefull to change the religion of Greeks . How do you explain the 600 years of existence of the Greeks in Ottoman empire as Christians .
Reading your explanation of how things are/were leads one to understand that if a muslim ruler ever gets the chance to exercise power over a non-muslim ; then the non muslim will be forced to convert to Islam .
If this is the case , how it was then the Ottomans never forced all Christians to convert or die ?
Surely , if the stated goal of Islam was to force non muslims to convert , didn't the Ottomans have 600 years of rule over Christians ?
When Ottoman Empire defeated the Byzantines in 1453 ; Greeks were Christians .
When Ottoman Empire disolved in early 1900's , Greeks were still Christians .
I guess Ottomans didn't adhere to this " stated goal " of forcefull conversions in Islam .
Perhaps it is because that no matter where one chooses to look in both space and time, the sad fact is that when muslims interface with non-muslims, there is violent Jihad.
My experience teaches me that the jew , christian and muslim can and do live together in peace .
Perhaps it because we do not desire our children to suffer the same fate as the children of Beslan who where slaughtered by jihading muslims for no reason other than they were not muslims.
Wahabi school of thought which you seem to think as a force within muslim world , is really not a force at all .
These wahabist terrorists don't represent the 1.5 billion muslims worldwide .
There are European muslims and there are European Christians .
European Christians can't tolerate their brethen choosing a different religion .
Universal values of European Civilisation are not so Universal perhaps .
Democracy would be the removal of Islam from Greek culture.
No . Actually it would make sure the modern Greek culture is totally intolerant towards others .
Islam is not in Greece to participate in Greek culture, Islam is there to replace Greek culture with Islamic Culture.
If Greeks were to convert and become a larger part muslim world , yes , the Greek culture would be lost within all the other cultures of muslim world .
I don't see the Greeks converting soon . SO you need not worry and the Turks didn't forcefully converted all of you to Islam in 600 years when they ruled as rulers .
I think you have a dying culture but it's nothing to do with the existence of Islam .
Like Byzantines before you , Greece fails to understand the dynamics of the masses of humans in her vicinity .
Classical Greek culture, the Light of Greece, which has illuminated western thought for thousands of years is the EXACT OPPOSITE of the anti-human, death worshiping Islamic culture.