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The Sum of all Fears : What if Elenin is Nibiru?

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posted on Sep, 13 2011 @ 04:40 PM
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isn't nibiru planet x ? the thing that was supposed to collide with earth in 2003 ?




posted on Sep, 13 2011 @ 04:43 PM
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Originally posted by Theophoros
Are those all serious questions?


Nope. Just one.



posted on Sep, 13 2011 @ 04:50 PM
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Public forum matey...if you want a specific member to answer a specific question, then PM that member...that childish argument won't wash with me.

So, are you claiming you believe comet Shoemaker-Levi didn't break up before impacting Jupiter...or not?

And, no i will not be burning in hell, as for starters it IS NOT REAL and besides, that particular scary 'keep me under control' story ceased to be scary, once i'd developed an intellect sufficient to realise it was complete and utter BS, around the age of 6 or 7 years old.

How old are you Dave?

I will unfortunately rot away one day however, and my atoms will become something else, but in the meantime...how about answering the comet question?

Did Shoemaker-Levi break up or not? And remember...public forum. Unless, you want to fold your arms and petulantly say "NO..i don't want to answer!" Which is fine of course, if you don't want to acknowledge any real form of truth, but prefer your delusions instead...just so we all know.




edit on 13/9/2011 by spikey because: typo



posted on Sep, 13 2011 @ 04:51 PM
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Well there's the fact that all of this Nibiru nonsense comes from Sitchin, who claims it comes from the Sumerians. There's a few problems with that. First and foremost, Sitchin couldn't read Sumerian. Second, the word Nibiru does not exist in Sumerian. Its earliest common use is in Akkadian where it refers to a point of crossing such as at a river. It doesn't take on an astronomical meaning until the Babylonians where it refers to the highest point of the ecliptic. It also occasionally refers to the constellation or planet in this position, which is usually Jupiter or Mercury.

We can also look at Sitchin's evidence for believing in the "12th Planet." Namely Cylinder Seal VA243. Now Sitchin claims this seal depicts an Annunaki with the solar system clearly present in the background. Unfortunately for Sitchin and Nibiru neither or these things are true. What is depicted in this seal is a man pledging fealty to another man. As for what Sitchin calls the solar system, these are actually stars. We know the Sumerian symbols for the visible planets and the Sun. None of these symbols appear on this seal. Instead all that appears is the symbol for star.

So, there you go. Not only did the Sumerians not have Nibiru as a word, but Sitchin's entire rationale for believing another planet existed was wrong. Just to clarify what I did there. I took the source for all of this Nibiru mythology and proved it wrong, thus proving Nibiru wrong. If you want I can also go about proving Nancy Lieder wrong since she's the one that attached Nibiru to 2012.



posted on Sep, 13 2011 @ 04:54 PM
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posted on Sep, 13 2011 @ 05:01 PM
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Originally posted by Argyll
In fairness to the OP'er, this is posted in the Skunk Works.

However Theo, if you really had the proof you claim you do to some of your claims, then why did you not post this in one of the more "serious" forums?


My prediction for the day is.......once a mod arrives here, this thread is going to be pretty much decimated!


Because, more people read this section then the other ones.



posted on Sep, 13 2011 @ 05:03 PM
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Originally posted by syrinx high priest
isn't nibiru planet x ? the thing that was supposed to collide with earth in 2003 ?


Yeah - Nibiru is Planet X - you know, the planet that they sent Pioneer X to investigate back in the 80's.

That's the spacecraft that they put the picture of the man and woman on with directions back to earth.

Now, why would NASA do such a thing?

Were they expecting to make contact with Planet X?



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posted on Sep, 13 2011 @ 05:08 PM
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The Sum of all Fears : What if Elenin is Nibiru?


The sum... of ALL fears.

Wow. What weight such a small collection of words can carry!

The key word here is not 'sum' or 'all' but indeed, 'fear'. As a society of so-called civilized creatures, we are today collectively held hostage to fear, by fear.

FDR's statement that, 'the only thing we have to fear is, fear itself' was profound and damned sure true.

Too bad we have forgotten how to set aside our fear and reach deeper for something far more worthy.

But... to be absolutely sure, if we MUST fear something, we should fear that which we can overcome so that we use that fear as an energy to our behalf... rather than suffer as a slave to it.

If some terrible destroyer ever comes from the darkness of space... such as a brown dwarf or similar, chances are slim that we could do anything about it. Once we understood that our fate... whatever it was to be was also sealed and beyond our control, what in the hell is the point of fearing it anymore???

We've been trained to fear, raised to fear, fed upon deep bowls of fear milked by insecurities and surgared with ignorance.

It's time we walked away from this. We are what we are and we can't be defeated except by fate... which we have no control over, and our own inept fears.

But... as they say, it's a free country. What you want to believe is up to you



edit on 13-9-2011 by redoubt because: typos... misc corrections



posted on Sep, 13 2011 @ 05:10 PM
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Um I have a problem with this video and many others like it. It says it turned saturn on it's side! Don't you think astronomers all over the world would be saying "WOW" and telling everyone about it.

Facts about saturn......LOOK AT THE LINK

www.kidzone.ws...

www.solarviews.com...

Saturn has been photographed in MANY positions depending on the which camera was used! For someone to post a pic of it at 97 deg on its side is misleading to say the least. Where is the proof that has changed position?



posted on Sep, 13 2011 @ 05:15 PM
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Originally posted by Xcalibur254
reply to post by Theophoros
 


Well there's the fact that all of this Nibiru nonsense comes from Sitchin, who claims it comes from the Sumerians. There's a few problems with that. First and foremost, Sitchin couldn't read Sumerian. Second, the word Nibiru does not exist in Sumerian. Its earliest common use is in Akkadian where it refers to a point of crossing such as at a river. It doesn't take on an astronomical meaning until the Babylonians where it refers to the highest point of the ecliptic. It also occasionally refers to the constellation or planet in this position, which is usually Jupiter or Mercury.

We can also look at Sitchin's evidence for believing in the "12th Planet." Namely Cylinder Seal VA243. Now Sitchin claims this seal depicts an Annunaki with the solar system clearly present in the background. Unfortunately for Sitchin and Nibiru neither or these things are true. What is depicted in this seal is a man pledging fealty to another man. As for what Sitchin calls the solar system, these are actually stars. We know the Sumerian symbols for the visible planets and the Sun. None of these symbols appear on this seal. Instead all that appears is the symbol for star.

So, there you go. Not only did the Sumerians not have Nibiru as a word, but Sitchin's entire rationale for believing another planet existed was wrong. Just to clarify what I did there. I took the source for all of this Nibiru mythology and proved it wrong, thus proving Nibiru wrong. If you want I can also go about proving Nancy Lieder wrong since she's the one that attached Nibiru to 2012.


I agree with you that some of what Sitchin says is lunacy - he actually uses a glyph of a Fish and says its a space ship, however, the existence of 'Nibiru' is verified by other cultures.

The Egyptians call it the Destroyer. The Dogon call it Nommo's City (Ps 46 that Obama quoted the other day makes reference to the City of God for a reason), the Burmese call it the Silver City, the Hebrews (Book of) say that it is the City that Abraham looked for and the Christians call it the New Jerusalem.

It is my contention that this is the City of Eden that was on this earth before the flood (the Dogon actually have an account of its touchdown) which the city was named after and its departure caused the flood and its return causes the judgment in the Apocalypse.

Further, it is my belief that it is the Star of Bethleham (which moved in ways a planet, conjuction or comet could not) and the origins for the Crescent Moon and Star which shows a Star between the Earth and the Moon.





posted on Sep, 13 2011 @ 05:18 PM
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Actually the Pioneer plaque was attached to Pioneer 10 and 11, which were launched in the 70s. Their missions were to study the asteroid belt, Jupiter, and Saturn. Pioneer 10 has not been sending data back since 2003 and Pioneer 11 has not been sending data back since 1995.



posted on Sep, 13 2011 @ 05:18 PM
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Originally posted by redoubt


The Sum of all Fears : What if Elenin is Nibiru?


The sum... of ALL fears.

Wow. What weight such a small collection of words can carry!

The key word here is not 'sum' or 'all' but indeed, 'fear'. As a society of so-called civilized creatures, we are today collectively held hostage to fear, by fear.

FDR's statement that, 'the only thing we have to fear is, fear itself' was profound and damned sure true.

Too bad we have forgotten how to set aside our fear and reach deeper for something far more worthy.

But... to be absolutely sure, if we MUST fear something, we should fear that which we can overcome so that we use that fear as an energy to our behalf... rather than suffer as a slave to it.

If some terrible destroyer ever comes from the darkness of space... such as a brown dwarf or similar, chances are slim that we could do anything about it. Once we understood that our fate... whatever it was to be was also sealed and beyond our control, what in the hell is the point of fearing it anymore???

We've been trained to fear, raised to fear, fed upon deep bowls of fear milked by insecurities and surgared with ignorance.

It's time we walked away from this. We are what we are and we can't be defeated except by fate... which we have no control over, and our own inept fears.

But... as they say, it's a free country. What you want to believe is up to you



edit on 13-9-2011 by redoubt because: typos... misc corrections


The choice for the title was because the Insiders Fear - what keeps them up all night - is if the people in mass start fearing something more then they fear the Insiders themselves - at that point the Insiders lose the ability to control the masses.



posted on Sep, 13 2011 @ 05:19 PM
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Originally posted by favouriteslave
Um I have a problem with this video and many others like it. It says it turned saturn on it's side! Don't you think astronomers all over the world would be saying "WOW" and telling everyone about it.

Facts about saturn......LOOK AT THE LINK

www.kidzone.ws...

www.solarviews.com...

Saturn has been photographed in MANY positions depending on the which camera was used! For someone to post a pic of it at 97 deg on its side is misleading to say the least. Where is the proof that has changed position?


They are not talking about the Moon being tilted and some say that it is :




posted on Sep, 13 2011 @ 05:21 PM
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Originally posted by favouriteslave


Saturn has been photographed in MANY positions depending on the which camera was used! For someone to post a pic of it at 97 deg on its side is misleading to say the least. Where is the proof that has changed position?


Article says the positions of Saturn's Moons proves it has tilted :

www.scribd.com...



posted on Sep, 13 2011 @ 05:24 PM
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Originally posted by Xcalibur254
reply to post by Theophoros
 


Actually the Pioneer plaque was attached to Pioneer 10 and 11, which were launched in the 70s. Their missions were to study the asteroid belt, Jupiter, and Saturn. Pioneer 10 has not been sending data back since 2003 and Pioneer 11 has not been sending data back since 1995.


Basically they were both on the same mission - the link at the url I just gave has a discussion about that as well.

www.scribd.com...



posted on Sep, 13 2011 @ 05:37 PM
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Originally posted by Phage
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No. It won't pass between the Sun and Earth.
It will be above the ecliptic at that time.


Can you give a link to that fact? The earth on the small body data browser LOOKS like it's on the same plane as the comet. How far above the ecliptic? Will you point out the calculations that prove your statement? That would easily dismiss the other arguments.



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posted on Sep, 13 2011 @ 05:47 PM
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Originally posted by Theophoros

Originally posted by favouriteslave


Saturn has been photographed in MANY positions depending on the which camera was used! For someone to post a pic of it at 97 deg on its side is misleading to say the least. Where is the proof that has changed position?


Article says the positions of Saturn's Moons proves it has tilted :

www.scribd.com...


Are there any professional or amateur astronomers here that can confirm this is truth?
Why aren't the rings of debris and gas disturbed with all the commotion around Saturn?



posted on Sep, 13 2011 @ 06:12 PM
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Another question one must ask is if Elenin has the mass to flip it Saturn's axis, why didn't it affect 1999 RQ176? This is a simple asteroid were talking about that Elenin passed at a distance of 226,000 km and it has continued on its orbit. One would think that if Elenin were even a couple thousand kilometers in diameter it would have a noticeable effect.



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