I've always thought the same way, and knew it deep down as well. Why do we work? because we are expected to? If the goal, is to get food water and shelter, and we get it by any other means, then is it not the same thing?

people are expected to work just because, in the s own same way people are expected to have a car or shop at stores, simply because society says it's normal. Don't forget it wasn't always this way.

I actually take this into consideration, for I work in my own self-interest, to create products for others. I don't do it because I am expected to, or because I MUST work. If given the choice, I wouldn't have a job. I would work, but not have a job. There is a difference.

If i had the freedom, I would leave, and just do my own thing somewhere, working for myself, outside of any government or ruling body, working for myself, producing for others (for a price, of course). My 2 cents on the matter.

You are right of course, most jobs are centred around people's wants, and not necessities.

there once was a roman senator that thought that it would be a good idea to put red bands around the arms of the slaves so they could be more easily recognized, another senator pointed out how crazy that was by saying "if we do that, they will see their own numbers and realize that they outnumber us"

Thank you for saying that for me. I've been trying to explain that to people for years. I usually focus on money when trying to explain it. I hate money because it makes people do things they wouldn't do otherwise. I don't mean stealing and breaking in houses, I mean spending the majority of your life doing what someone else wants you to do. But don't worry, your whole life isn't ruined or lost, when you are 65 and a half, you can retire and collect enough money to survive on pet food (not the good stuff, though) and then you can do all the things you ever wanted. If you can recall what those things were and if you are physically able or have anything left in you at all.

That is why I try to live everyday. I am not banking on some great retirement years. I quit my job a few months ago and have been living off of my 401k, which is now nearly gone. I will, unfortunately, have to reenter the job force, but I do not want to. It is slavery. You could not be more correct.

You can't have modern agriculture without modern society. And modern society requires a bunch of stuff and people to make it. If the government would get out of the way, life could be 1000% better.
Your idea requires a central authority and distribution of resources--in other words, you're reiterating the communist paradise myth.
Yes jobs suck and yes it sucks even worse that it's pretty much impossible to support yourself off the plantation, but creating a bigger plantation isn't the solution.

Do you think all that stuff in your house just poofed it's way there? Jobs are necessary, but like you said most jobs are pointless. If anything people need to start working more, not less, just look at the worldwide poverty crisis.

awesome post!

not to mention the educational system where (here in canada anyways) students rack up huge amounts of debt looking for that "better" job. That debt will never disapear and will follow you for 10 15 or 20 years. Not even bankruptcy will eliminate student loans. Graduates are forced to work, without interuption for the rest of there lives, forget living the simple life with that kind of debt on your back.

the chains get heavier.....

this is a call for communism go to hell.

There was no employment bubble.

The jobs went overseas.

I'll all started about 10 years ago but no one did anything about it.

I really feel all these people realizing what is going on. Seeing the polticans fight amongst themselves and the HUGE gap between the rich and poor is going to lead to a huge revultion and overturning our current system into creating something better. In 5-10 years down the road who knows; techonology can free us most people can work from home. All the office space can be turned into apartments for people to live. To be realistic there has to be some people working or our society would fall apart. We can't rely on technology 100% but we do a much better system of doing things. We could only recquire people to work 20-25 years of their life 30 hours a week. From the age of 21 and up everyone has shelter,food and water no matter what. We need to stop putting profit and money before people. We need to put people first. We need to create a Humanist society. We need to take a psychological approach to life and existence. We need compassion for all human beings. No longer will there be a wealthy elite who will rule us but more of a co-operative force for good. We may need experts to guide us on certian things but there intentions will not be to control us but to set us free. Needing money to survive is a different form of slavery.
(By the way the reason I say 21 and up is because a feel a person can live at home with their parents a few years after school so they are prepared for real life. Unless someone is an orphan, a foster kid or being abused an 18 or 19 year is not really ready to live on his or her own.)

Great post, you had me hanging on every word! This is something I think about often yet try to convince myself otherwise. I'm not crazy about my job and often feel like a prisoner of the corporate system. However, like you said the horse and plow days were not easy. For example today, I can easily get a meal anytime of any variety, and enjoy it in an air conditioned/heated environment with little effort thanks to modern technology. But at least the horse and plow guys are in control of themselves, and not slaves.

Originally posted by Old77
this is a call for communism go to hell.

A family is a communist community. I am sure you will never ask your 5 y old child to pay you or to work for you to be able to eat or drink or anything else. You could argue that a family shares a genetic bond.
Well, the human species shares a genetic bond too. We are a big family, nothing less.

Originally posted by Old77
this is a call for communism go to hell.

Are you .. EDITED... sorry about that

Wow. Awesome post - right with you. I kind of feel that it's only going to get worse before it gets better - an aweful feeling. It's the paradigm, man. The only thing is... paradigms do not have a habbit of transforming easily without blood and tears.

Maybe we're in the midst of that.

Originally posted by greenCo

Originally posted by Old77
this is a call for communism go to hell.

Are you mentally retarded??

no need to attack the guy, even if it was kind of a silly thing to say.

if the user really is "old" or even "77" then this goes along with a theory i have: people in that age range, from that generation (my parents are in their early 70s), have a hard time with the notion that not having to work as progress is deplorable. i think it might be because they (my folks) feel angry that they were forced to spend so much of their lives doing something they didn't like doing.

i don't like my job at all. i am hoping some day i might be able to do something else i like to do to support myself. i don't want to be in my 70s hating the fact i had to do something i hated for people i hated.