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posted on Oct, 16 2011 @ 02:59 PM
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Originally posted by doctornamtab

Originally posted by macman

Originally posted by doctornamtab
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And look! Women can vote, divorce their husbands and move out of the kitchen.

Black people are treated equally to white people.

Its called progress and the military (the enforcement division of the work to eat economy) is in the way


Ok, and again, what is the point?
Those ideas were very basic in nature and did not confine themselves to an age demographic.
It was more like those that were racist, versus not racist. And those that were for equal treatment, versus not equal treatment.


No but people who are older have the values of their time period. Older people hold onto racism and sexism more than young people. Old people hold onto capitalism and representative democracy more than young people. You can see which views are fading in society and which views are rising.



What what???
Are you serious stating that the movement for racial equality was only for the young?

My my, how very age'ist and bigoted of you.

Sorry, but racism holds no bounds or age, race, creed, nationality or religion.
Neither does not being a racists.

You are confused, as the visual side of say, the race movement, was a younger people taking to the streets, but you fail to realize the wise older people in the background.




posted on Oct, 16 2011 @ 03:00 PM
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Originally posted by poet1b
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You are the guy who believes in communism. I have never bothered to read Marx theories, only enough to know what wacko nonsense it is, just as I knew right away what the wacko nonsense free market economics it.

Locke's writings are on the web. You claim he supported free market ideology, post the evidence. Prove you can do something beside quote right wing catch phrases and make cheap accusations.



Your views are straight out of Marxism. You haven't read it? Then I suggest you do so. Every last one of them.

You are probably one of the most confused people I've ever seen.

I'm not Right Wing. I'm Classical Liberal. YOU are a Communist.



posted on Oct, 16 2011 @ 03:01 PM
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Originally posted by Aeons

Originally posted by poet1b
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This statement is clearly in support of corporate bankers.


Please show me the criminal court proceeding and the verdict for the crimes you have stated.




I really think that people should roll this set of statement.

You support someone because you ask for proof of accused wrongdoings.

If you ask for proof that someone raped someone, you clearly support rapists.

Does seeing it another context make clear the problem with this thought process?



My go to pic.


But, if a conservative turns a blind eye to errors within, they need to go back and investigate.
I like the "Light of Day' Concept in so many aspects of life.



posted on Oct, 16 2011 @ 03:02 PM
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Originally posted by Aeons

Originally posted by poet1b
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You are the guy who believes in communism. I have never bothered to read Marx theories, only enough to know what wacko nonsense it is, just as I knew right away what the wacko nonsense free market economics it.

Locke's writings are on the web. You claim he supported free market ideology, post the evidence. Prove you can do something beside quote right wing catch phrases and make cheap accusations.



Your views are straight out of Marxism. You haven't read it? Then I suggest you do so. Every last one of them.

You are probably one of the most confused people I've ever seen.

I'm not Right Wing. I'm Classical Liberal. YOU are a Communist.


WOW, a classic Liberal, as more along Libertarian?



posted on Oct, 16 2011 @ 03:03 PM
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I know black knight, you are going to bite my ankles off, if I just come back.

I am always amazed by the level of denial people have.



posted on Oct, 16 2011 @ 03:03 PM
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Originally posted by poet1b
reply to post by Aeons
 


You are the guy who believes in communism. I have never bothered to read Marx theories, only enough to know what wacko nonsense it is, just as I knew right away what the wacko nonsense free market economics it.

Locke's writings are on the web. You claim he supported free market ideology, post the evidence. Prove you can do something beside quote right wing catch phrases and make cheap accusations.



I think you should take a week and read it.

The way his thoughts are placed into the marching chants is incredible.

It will open your eyes, if not just a little bit more.



posted on Oct, 16 2011 @ 03:08 PM
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Originally posted by poet1b
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I know black knight, you are going to bite my ankles off, if I just come back.

I am always amazed by the level of denial people have.



Who is biting who?
This is debate.
Look, lets use this as an example.

I despise adults that prey upon children. I would take great satisfaction in torturing someone that has harmed a child.
Now, do I look down on the process for them to have a fair trial? No.
Do I want the police to plant evidence, to make sure that the trial goes the right way? NO.
Do I want the process to play out and work how it was set up? YES.

The process is still innocent, until proven guilty.
This is not mod rule.

Doing the right thing, the wrong way is still wrong.
If the banks did something criminal, then it needs to go through the process. Without exception.

Rules just don't apply sometimes, it has to be all the time, even the bad times.



posted on Oct, 16 2011 @ 03:10 PM
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Originally posted by macman

Originally posted by Aeons

Originally posted by poet1b
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You are the guy who believes in communism. I have never bothered to read Marx theories, only enough to know what wacko nonsense it is, just as I knew right away what the wacko nonsense free market economics it.

Locke's writings are on the web. You claim he supported free market ideology, post the evidence. Prove you can do something beside quote right wing catch phrases and make cheap accusations.



Your views are straight out of Marxism. You haven't read it? Then I suggest you do so. Every last one of them.

You are probably one of the most confused people I've ever seen.

I'm not Right Wing. I'm Classical Liberal. YOU are a Communist.


WOW, a classic Liberal, as more along Libertarian?



Not really. Libertarians, like the lefties, like to claim that their ideas are liberal.

Libertarian and Liberal are not the same thing. There are points where some ideas overlap.



posted on Oct, 16 2011 @ 03:11 PM
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I wonder if......

You know, well...some of you know...i was born in Cuba. As a child, i remember going places and no matter what time it was, you could see five or six men gathered playing Dominoes....Across the street, another crowd talking about nothing in particular. I had a working father so i was one of the "haves", only two classes, haves and have nots.
There was never a shortage of people shooting the poop everywhere. Craps, card games in every corner. I remember looking at them and
seeing them as a lower element.
I never ever heard of anyone passing away of a heart attack. EVER. Way of life maybe?
This thread has reminded me of how simple life can be and i have seen it with my own eyes. Those people had a much better quality of life than any of us, i'm assuming now. They knew how to live. Always ate, had a very poor roof over their heads but enjoyed life to the max.



posted on Oct, 16 2011 @ 03:12 PM
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Oh goody. A life playing card games.



posted on Oct, 16 2011 @ 03:13 PM
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You asked repeatedly for info on court proceedings, and that information was repeatedly supplied, after so many refusals on your part to recognized facts posted, it is clear your only goal is to blindly defend corporations.

You claim you do not support military spending, when your own signature states,


If you aint a friend of the Military you are no friend of mine!


You have no credibility left, an you are clearly not Obi-Wan Kenobi.

That is the nonsense you have been posting.



posted on Oct, 16 2011 @ 03:15 PM
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All you have to do to back up your claims is post the writings of Locke that support your communist ideals of the free market.

If you can't do that, then you have no credibility.



posted on Oct, 16 2011 @ 03:16 PM
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Look I even help.


Two Treatises of Government By John Locke

The Communist Manifesto by Karl Marx and Fredrich Engels

The Communist Manifesto won't take a week to read. A long pamphlet is pretty close to the truth.
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posted on Oct, 16 2011 @ 03:20 PM
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A link is not a quote.

Follow your link, and provide a quote to that which backs up your claims. Then you will actually be involved in a legitimate discussion. If you can't provide a quote to back up your claims, then you have nothing.



posted on Oct, 16 2011 @ 03:20 PM
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Originally posted by poet1b
reply to post by Aeons
 


All you have to do to back up your claims is post the writings of Locke that support your communist ideals of the free market.

If you can't do that, then you have no credibility.



My communist ideas of the free market. I actually haven't said anything about the free market except that you claimed that it came as a "Con Job" from Regan, which is not so.

I'm for a market with reasonable regulation. I'm also for limited legislation that is not nit-picked - meaning that there are few rules but playing dumb on the part of corporations and individuals is punished, good behaviour rewarded. You don't need every little thing defined. Regulation is a minimum standard, coming in under the bar as a punishable offense.
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posted on Oct, 16 2011 @ 03:24 PM
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Originally posted by poet1b
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A link is not a quote.

Follow your link, and provide a quote to that which backs up your claims. Then you will actually be involved in a legitimate discussion. If you can't provide a quote to back up your claims, then you have nothing.



Currently debating with you would mean that we are discussing that black is white and white is black, except when you claim otherwise.

You spout communism, and claim it to a free society. You claim capitalism as communism. I expect that in a moment you'll be telling us vehmently the sky is magenta. You come to the table with a clear set of thoughts, then we'll talk.

Your current technique is to claim that your Communist beliefs aren't Communist because .... they just aren't.

However, your views are quite literally exactly Communism. Pol Pot with a computer.

If you think a quote alone is enough to unconfuse your mind so that you need not read something more than a couple of sentences - well like I said, the Communist Manifesto is pretty short. Give it a try. Reading is fun.
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posted on Oct, 16 2011 @ 03:24 PM
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Originally posted by poet1b
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You asked repeatedly for info on court proceedings, and that information was repeatedly supplied, after so many refusals on your part to recognized facts posted, it is clear your only goal is to blindly defend corporations.

You claim you do not support military spending, when your own signature states,


If you aint a friend of the Military you are no friend of mine!


You have no credibility left, an you are clearly not Obi-Wan Kenobi.

That is the nonsense you have been posting.



Ok, let me try to explain something, in regards to my signature thread.
Just because I have that, does not in turn mean I love the Military, or agree with the current wars.
The Military to me, is not the Govt Agency. To me, it is my military brothers and sisters.

I have asked for criminal proceeding, that have come back with a guilty verdict, as I still believe in the laws that are in place, for trials.

If you have posted links to such things, then please, entertain an old Vet and show me again.

As for credibility? You think I value ATS Cred, over what happens in real life?

Come on.



posted on Oct, 16 2011 @ 03:28 PM
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You brought up Locke, but now you can't back it up.

You claim Reagan was not a free market guy, when clearly he was, and the Reagan era ushered in the whole free market con.

If you believe in sound government regulation, then you do not believe in the free market, which is what I asked in the first place.

I don't think you know what you believe in.



posted on Oct, 16 2011 @ 03:29 PM
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So why stay here?
Why not go back to Cuba?
Is this before Castro overthrew the Govt, or after?



posted on Oct, 16 2011 @ 03:32 PM
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The civil rights movement only for the young? Why would i say that? That doesnt even make sense.

And yes, it took the young to mobilize the old, once again. You dont see many older people camping out for Occupy, making serious sacrifices. Its the young. It always has been and always will be the young prodding the old into changing their tired ways.This is because the young are purposely withheld from power, they say for lack of experience. But experience tunnels your viewpoint

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