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Israel plans to force out 30,000 Bedouins from their ancesteral land

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posted on Sep, 13 2011 @ 03:29 AM

Arab members of Israel's Knesset (parliament) have warned of the consequences of Tel Aviv's recent plan to force out 30,000 Arab Bedouins from their villages in Naqab desert, Press TV reports.

“This is by far the most dangerous phase Palestinians have faced since 1948. More than 140,000 acres have been confiscated by Israel. This is not just about Israel's racist policies. It is a war against our very existence,” said Hanin Zoubil, another Arab Knesset member.

Bedouins say they have long traversed the Naqab and insist that they remain in their ancestral land, accusing Israel of making plans to build more Jewish settlements.

Critics say that Arabs were neither involved nor consulted in formulating the plan and that the committee behind the scheme was heavily influenced by rightwing Israelis.

The Israeli cabinet approved this plan on Sunday. In addition to forcing out the Bedouins from their lands, some 20 villages may be demolished at the same time. This plan was also refered to Israel's National Security Council. Im guessing that means they are planning for retaliatory violence?

posted on Sep, 13 2011 @ 03:38 AM
reply to post by buni11687

Lovely isn't it?

The ethnic cleansing, forced relocation, internal displacement, began in 1948 and it continues today.

From Haaretz

The decision by the cabinet on Sunday approving the Prawer report's plan to regulate the Bedouin communities in the Negev is an unfortunate continuation of an insensitive policy which is leading to unnecessary friction between the government and citizens of the country. The Bedouin of the Negev are above all citizens of the State of Israel, but the government doesn't treat them as such.

This is why I do not back a one state solution. Could you ever see Palestinians, Bedouin tribes finding equality within this state?
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posted on Sep, 13 2011 @ 03:43 AM
If what the Bedouins claim is true, then yes - no doubt this move by Israel will cause even more unrest and violence in the area.

After reading the article, the Bedouins imply they have traversed the land for a long time as they refer to it as their ancestral land.

The problem I see is Israel stomping on them by claiming there's no "proof" of ownership. Of course, Israel doesn't have a leg to stand on in that case as they themselves are occupying Palestinian land so how can Israel claim the Bedouins have no rights is beyond me...

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posted on Sep, 13 2011 @ 03:44 AM
reply to post by Peruvianmonk

Don't say that. People will call you anti-semitic and racist! Israel can do whatever it pleases even if that includes Genocide or Ethnic Cleansing, OK?


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posted on Sep, 13 2011 @ 03:48 AM
This is just more evidence of Israel stealing people's land. The sad thing id how many stupid people that will support Israel due to the fairy tale about it being given to them by God. Israel sees the Arabs as sub human but it's the Israeli's that are acting like animals. Palestine needs to get it's statehood by the UN so they can get help driving the invaders back to where they belong.

posted on Sep, 13 2011 @ 03:49 AM
reply to post by CasiusIgnoranze

Israeli actions are not tantamount to genocide.

There is no need to inflate the crimes committed by Israel as they are awful enough.

Ethnic cleansing, dozens, hundreds of massacres, economic strangulation.

posted on Sep, 13 2011 @ 03:51 AM
reply to post by Peruvianmonk

Ethnic cleansing, Genocide - they're pretty much the same thing.

Both are equally worse.

posted on Sep, 13 2011 @ 03:58 AM
reply to post by CasiusIgnoranze

They aren't the same thing. Genocide is the extermination of a gropu of people based on their ethnicity, religion, political leaning etc. Ethnic clensing is the forced expulsion of a people based upon the above criteria.

Each is horrendous, but one is clearly a greater crime than the other. The leap from ethnic cleansing to genocide is however more like a step.

I have no doubt there are some within Israel who would like to see this, in particular the Settlers and their Rabbis who are beyond reproach.

Israel has not quite yet had a government on that scale.

You can never say never though in regards to a society like Israels, whose majority of citizens seem to turn a blind eye to the occupation.

Back to the Bedouins, here is some information on a particular case.

The bulldozers of Israeli Lands Administration (ILA) on Thursday demolished the unrecognized Bedouin village of Al-Araqib for the twenty-ninth time in recent months. Sheikh Sayyah Al-Touri, the head of Al-Araqib village’s council, said the bulldozers of ILA and the Jewish National Fund, backed by hundreds of Israeli police officers demolished the homes of the village.

Israel insists that unrecognized Bedouin homes in the Negev must be destroyed because they have no permits and have been built without basic infrastructures. The village, which is located between the cities of Rahat and Beer Sheva in the southern Negev Desert, was demolished for the 28th time last May, but as in previous instances, it was immediately rebuilt. Volunteers from the Higher Arab Monitoring Committee and several Arab and Israeli political activists had helped the villagers of Al-Araqib rebuild their homes every time the Israeli authorities demolish them. The activists said that they will continue to rebuild structures in the village.
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posted on Sep, 13 2011 @ 03:59 AM
Dirty theives! I see zionist supporters always claiming that majority of Palestinians migrated there (not realising the obvious fact that majority of Israeli's did too) and use this 'fact' as reasons for stealing from them. These bedouins have lived there in a traditional way for many thousands of year, before the lies of the bible were penned by man. They have no excuse for this.

posted on Sep, 13 2011 @ 04:02 AM
reply to post by Peruvianmonk

Never mind.

If its war they want, then its war they'll get.

But I seriously do hope NATO doesn't get involved...

Who the hell am I kidding?

posted on Sep, 13 2011 @ 04:05 AM

Originally posted by Peruvianmonk
reply to post by CasiusIgnoranze

Israeli actions are not tantamount to genocide.

There is no need to inflate the crimes committed by Israel as they are awful enough.

Ethnic cleansing, dozens, hundreds of massacres, economic strangulation.

ummm, since when are these different: genocide / ethnic cleansing ??
am i mistaken all of a sudden or are you confused?
via M/W: genocide - "the deliberate and systematic extermination of a national, racial, political, or cultural group."
via M/W: "ethnic cleansing" - "the expulsion, imprisonment, or killing of an ethnic minority by a dominant majority in order to achieve ethnic homogeneity"

The answer sure isn't an easy one but these Israeli actions should be condemned by all.
It does seem as though they are perpetuating conflict rather any kind of resolve.

posted on Sep, 13 2011 @ 04:22 AM
Israels government is no better than
Robert Mugabe's Zimbabwe govt taking farms from their owners.

posted on Sep, 13 2011 @ 04:49 AM
hitler taught isreal well

posted on Sep, 13 2011 @ 04:55 AM
That is rubbish, tribal people around the world have very few rights....

posted on Sep, 13 2011 @ 05:06 AM
reply to post by Honor93

The difference is, is that genocide is tantamount to an attempt to literally wipe out the living beings of an entire set of people.

Examples, Jews in the 'Judeocide' perpetrated by the Nazis during WW2, killing of the Tutsi by the Hutu in Rwanda.

Ethnic cleansing in the Israeli/Palestinian sense is mostly in relation to the forced expulsion and dispossession of land, although their have no doubt been mass killings perpetrated in this context. Examples: Bosnian wars.

There is a difference between the two, although they can of course go hand in hand.

There has been an attempted 'memoricide' by the Israelis on the disposed Palestinian land, with the destruction of villages towns.

Take a look at the forest planted in Israel to make the 'desert bloom'. They cover many of the hundreds, thousands of villages and towns destroyed. Farming terraces, building are referred to us ancient remaints, when in reality they are footprints of the Palestinian people.

There are traces of a cemetery, as well as scattered rubble from the village’s houses, a coffee shop, a church, two mosques and a school. The 2,000 Palestinians living there, along with the 3,500 inhabitants of two other villages, Yalu and Beit Nuba, were expelled as the Israeli army captured this area of the West Bank from Jordan. Today, they and their descendants live as refugees, mostly in East Jerusalem and near Ramallah. In place of the three villages, a park was created by an international Zionist organization, the Jewish National Fund, paid for with $15 million in charitable donations from Canadian Jews. The park entrance is only a minute’s drive from the busiest motorway in the country, linking Jerusalem and Tel Aviv.

Similar parks across Israel have been established on the ruins of other Palestinian villages but, in those cases, the destruction was a result of the war of 1948 that founded Israel. Ilan Pappe, an Israeli historian, has referred to this massive erasure of Palestinian history as state-organized “memoricide.” But Canada Park is far more sensitive for Israel because it lies outside the country’s internationally-recognized borders. The Palestinian inhabitants’ expulsion, Bronstein said, was a premeditated act of ethnic cleansing of villagers who put up no resistance. “We have photographs of the Israeli army carrying out the expulsions,” he told the group of tourists, holding up a series of laminated cards.
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posted on Sep, 13 2011 @ 05:09 AM
Having spent time with Bedouins, I can tell you that they actually have more rights in Israel than they do in other Arab lands......though Im not happy with their conditions anywhere, please keep in mind these are nomadic peoples. Bedouins have no Land Rights in most countries in the Middle East they have only users’ privileges. They mostly have actual citizenship in Israel........ironic?

I hope they arent turfed out.

A few facts though. It would surprise me to no end if people actually read instead of spewing whatever comes to mind to support hatred.
Israel gives them passports and land rights, other countries do not give them the same land rights....syria, Jordan to mention a few simply allow them use, inclusive of border movement without citizenship passports.
Bedouin population has increased 10 fold from 'traditional dwellers' in the desert since 48
Israel provides 12 years free education to Bedoiun children (compulsory for men and women)
Free health care.
Their land rights stem from British mandates.

Under Israeli law, a person who has not registered his/her land in the Land Registry cannot claim ownership; but in the mid 1970s Israel let the Negev Bedouin register their land claims and issued certificates as to the size of the tracts claimed. These certificates served as the basis for the "right of possession" later granted by the government. Following the signing of the Treaty of Peace with Egypt, it became necessary to move an airport to a locality inhabited by 5000 Bedouin. The government, recognizing these land claim certificates, negotiated with the certificate holders and paid compensation to them. Most moved to Bedouin townships, built houses and established businesses.
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posted on Sep, 13 2011 @ 05:17 AM
reply to post by Beavers

More like what the United States did to the Native American's taught Israel well. After all we supply them with money and weapons. Why not political strategy on wiping out the natives as well.

Maybe they can set up casinos afterwards?

posted on Sep, 13 2011 @ 05:18 AM
There is a lot of Iranian disinformation going on here.

First these Bedouins are NOT palestinians and do not call themselves Palestinians
They will not live in a Palestinian state and many hate the Palestinians.
Most of these Bedouins ARE Israeli citizens.
Around 25% have served in the Israeli army.

Because of their status in Israeli society as the principal Arab population that served in the army (in addition to a portion of the Druze), Bedouin have experienced a rift with the Palestinian population on several levels. On the one hand, many Bedouin have played a role in policing borders which they themselves traditionally moved across freely, ejecting Palestinian workers sneaking into Israel, and even preventing the free movement of other Bedouin to whom they are often related.

Israel is moving them out of these illegal settlements because the Palestinians want them moved out as illegal Israeli settlements.

Presstv is the Iranian government trying to cause trouble by using disinformation and bogus stories.
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posted on Sep, 13 2011 @ 05:20 AM
reply to post by ANNED

wow someone actually researched facts......
I am suitably impressed ATS. Even if its just one person on this thread.

posted on Sep, 13 2011 @ 05:38 AM
so, research = wiki ??? ok
that's like the Peruvianmonk attempting to separate the concepts so vividly intertwined as genocide & ethnic cleansing ... the only difference between the two is the location of person using the noun.

fyi - Hitler was merely a punk in terms of genocide / see Stalin
also, moving a few settlements is hardly comparable to either ... talk about propaganda.

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