Israel and the Upcoming Nuclear War - The "Unthinkable" is Now Inevitable

Nuclear war is not necessarily inevitable. However, given the current situation across the Middle East, an escalation or even a "regional war" that will include many players or their proxies is highly likely: www.tabbarianreport.com...

reply to post by ecoparity

There are millions of young Muslims who want nothing to do with oppressive, extremist Islam and as we've seen in the past year or so - they are willing to stand up and fight to remove the power structures who thrive on those conditions.

So you deny that Egyptian young people attacked Israel embassy in Cairo ?

You deny that in Libya , there were lots of documents found claiming Qaddafi's relationship with CIA and MI6 ?

You deny that the king of Jordan said that “Jordan and the future of Palestine are stronger than Israel" ?

You deny the conflict between Turkey and Israel ?

You deny the deep conflict between Iran and Israel ?

Deny all that you want.

I'm almost certain nuclear war is unavoidable and probably right at our doorstep. I'm moving back home to my family getting prepared. most bad things usually happen during the fall right before winter. I believe we might only have 3 months left if not then next fall. And even those who say they won't use nukes because it will make the planet uninhabitable wake up! War is war, they will use whatever means necessary to win. When you are down on the ground bleeding out and you know you're going to die, what are you going to do? nuke them all!

Originally posted by Haxsaw

You might want to study a bit more, tell me how would you like it if the world said hmmm no-one wants to live with these jews because they have a real bad track record, so what we are going to do is divide your country up and give your people less than half of it, and the jews are going to have the rest, and we are going to give the jews aid and weapons far more advanced than what your country has now, and will call you a terrorist if you even try to fight for your land back. blah, blah, blah

hmmm no-one wants to live with these jews because they have a real bad track record....

Wow, dude you have got to be #ing kidding me

I guess I'd feel like -

A bunch of guys in black leather coats and tight pants showed up one night, killed 2/3 of my family and forced us to move into the worst neighborhood in the World w/ no money and no food.

Then, once we almost starve to death everyone kills the tight pants guys and ask us if we want to move back to our old neighborhood next door to the nice people who didn't help us or actually pointed which way to go to the tight pants dudes.

So you tell me, there's that plot of land your great grandad owned. You can move there but you'll have to develop it because it's basically a desert right now. There are some tribes of wandering nomads who come and go there but it does have this one place that the two biggest religions in the World both consider sacred. We'll give you the land but your new neighbors are going to hate you even more than the tight pants dudes and will fight with you over this one city for the rest of all time.

I guess I'd feel kind of screwed over. But, after seeing my family die, starving and losing everything I'd take a place where I can finally stand up and protect myself without being under the control of some other family. I also wouldn't be too surprised if those nomadic tribes suddenly discover urban living once we fix the place up and make it hospitable / valuable.

Nations will take land, resources and liberty. By violence, guile or coin. That is the nature of man and every Nation does it, Israel is not especially evil in this regard. How many wars have the Arab nations and Israel fought so far in the name of land ownership?

Here's my non PC, brutally honest take on the Middle East.

Most of the Arab nations are barely 100 years out of tents and tribal culture. If it wasn't for oil most of the Middle East would still be driving camels instead of cars. The Arabic culture peaked about 2000+ years ago.

The culture of most Middle Eastern tribes is one of brute force. Leadership is taken and held w/ violence and oppressive strength is the only thing they respect. The same crowds chanting "Saddam" on Monday were chanting "George Bush" on Tuesday not because they were liberated but because they were more afraid of American bombs, missiles and Marines than they were of Saddam.

Extremist Islam is a brutal, abusive religion designed to preserve a culture that should have evolved a long, long time ago. I sincerely hope the young people fighting to overthrow the old guard in those nations are doing so in order to join the rest of the World in a more modern, tolerant and peaceful existence. You don't see anyone bombing Europe, do you? Well, on a small scale I suppose the Muslim terrorists are.....

What do all the Arabic nations not being bombed by the West have in common?
Lack of terrorism / terrorists
Economic development
Progressive / modern culture

As for the conflict zones....
Sorry but you can't blame America for war in some of these countries. They are always at war w/ someone even when America is completely ignoring them.

A lot of things contributed to the fall of the Ottoman empire, but one thing common that all the last great empires fell to was nationalistic views being born. If there were ever a united empire again that modernized and even began to sweep the world with advances again, they would be quite powerful and the force to be reckon with.

The Ottoman Empire came to an end, as a regime under a caliphate, on 1 November 1922.[13] It formally ended, as a de jure state, on 24 July 1923, under the Treaty of Lausanne.[14] The Republic of Turkey, which was officially proclaimed on 29 October 1923, became one of the successor states of the Ottoman Empire[15][16][17][18][19][20][21] as part of the treaty.

I think the short-lived nationalistic ideas are dying off in favor of countries united in a common cause but there's a lot of people against it and strongly holding on to the division of people. I think, maybe not in my lifetime, we will see the death of nations and the rise of empires again. History repeating itself.

Originally posted by dontreally
Oh come on people.....

Does the not the Bible predict this final predicament? Israel vs. the world? The nations "gathering against Jerusalem"???

The real question is: Are the elites engineering this scenario so as to "mock" the demiurge-Jews? Thats what i think. And i think the world may be the ones eating a large slice of humble pie at the end of it all.

Aye, the bible predicts that Israel will fall alone, as the entire world will be against her, even the whore of babylon called United States will be against her.

It doesnt matter if the elites are pulling the strings for this all to happen, God's will shall be done either voluntarily or involuntarily, it doesn't matter which because its going to be done regardless.

Israel's days are numbered and they know it, they are backed up against the wall and Ishmael's decendants are going to overrun Isaac's decendants in a violent wave of shouts "For Allah!". I think Israel is just beginning to realise how royally f*cked they truly are, thier conquest for power is about to come to a screetching halt and even that was foretold in the bible.

I don't want for anyone to die, but sometimes people just bring it on themselves. Like pushy people that just push and push and push everyone around them, till the people all snap and beat the hell out of the pusher.

reply to post by SavedOne


Yep, so vote for Obama if you want the Lord to return. I don't even like the man but if voting for him sets into motion the Lords return i'll vote for him and then go register all the dead people in my towns cemetaries to vote for him too .

reply to post by lonewolf19792000

Aye, the bible predicts that Israel will fall alone, as the entire world will be against her, even the whore of babylon called United States will be against her.

What Bible are you reading???

The New Testament?!

The New Testament is an entirely different, completely unrelated spiritual tradition.

The prophecies made in the Hebrew Bible, which Gnostic writers latched on to their 'New Testament', were never speaking of the founder of Christianity or his perennial religion.

They are two different religions!

Any sensible person who really understands the chasm that exists between Judaism and Perennial Religion knows that the New Testament was most probably a coordinated effort of Roman Nobles to counter the growing influence of Judaism in the 100 BCE - 200 CE time period. It was in the 4th Century that Christianity became the formal religion of Rome.

Thus, the prophecies of the old testament; Daniel, Ezekiel, Isaiah, Hosea, Zecharia, etc, have not come to pass. They speak of the end of days, which as is known, refers to the end of the 6th millenium - 1 day cosmic day being equal to 1000 human years. The current Hebrew year is 5771, the end of the 6th day ie; the time period we live in right now.

It doesnt matter if the elites are pulling the strings for this all to happen, God's will shall be done either voluntarily or involuntarily, it doesn't matter which because its going to be done regardless.

Gods will will be done. I agree. Thats all that matters in the end.

Israel's days are numbered and they know it, they are backed up against the wall and Ishmael's decendants are going to overrun Isaac's decendants in a violent wave of shouts "For Allah!". I think Israel is just beginning to realise how royally f*cked they truly are, thier conquest for power is about to come to a screetching halt and even that was foretold in the bible.

You must not know the Bible very well.

Yes, calamity is predicted to occur. But it will pass, and the righteous Moshiach Ben David will come and save the day.

So that means the "other side", those know it alls, will lose.

I am amused though by this tag team of Esau and Ishmael. That too was predicted by the ancient Midrashim. Ishmael comes to Esau. Esau uses Ishmael as a sword against Jacob........

Did you know the early centuries of Islams history - the 7th-8th century, the founder of Islam, Mohommad, was actually the leader of a Christian Gnostic sect?

The standard histories of Muhammad and the early development of Islam are based on Islamic literature that dates to the ninth and tenth centuries - some two centuries or more after the death of Muhammad in 632. Islamic literary sources do not exist for the seventh and eighth centuries, when, according to tradition, Muhammad and his immediate followers lived. All that is preserved from this time period are a few commemorative building inscriptions and assorted coins. Based on the premise that reliable history can only be written on the basis of sources that are contemporary with the events described, the contributors to this in-depth investigation present research that reveals the obscure origins of Islam in a completely new light. As the authors meticulously show, the name 'Muhammad' first appears on coins in Syria bearing Christian iconography. In this context the name is used as an honorific meaning 'revered' or 'praiseworthy' and can only refer to Jesus Christ, as Christianity was the predominant religion of the area at this time. This same reference exists in the building inscription of the Dome of the Rock in Jerusalem, built by the caliph 'Abd al-Malik. The implication of these and other findings here presented is that the early Arab rulers adhered to a sect of Christianity. Indeed, evidence from the Koran, finalised at a much later time, shows that its central theological tenets were influenced by a pre-Nicean, Syrian Christianity. Linguistic analysis also indicates that Aramaic, the common language throughout the Near East for many centuries and the language of Syrian Christianity, significantly influenced the Arabic script and vocabulary used in the Koran. Finally, it was not until the end of the eighth and ninth centuries that Islam formed as a separate religion, and the Koran underwent a period of historical development of at least 200 years.

Explains the strange relationship Radical Islam and the Left have with each other.

reply to post by Vitchilo


the jews are big on jebus coming back then eh?

Originally posted by phishyblankwaters
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I don't hate Israel and i don't hate Jews. I hate the actions of the government of Israel and the danger their actions put us ALL in.

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Originally posted by predator0187
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The total destruction of Israel, something used by the Zionist lobby to bilk the US out of billions for years, is no longer a dream, it is inevitable. The only question is "when?" With it a limited world war may emerge with some surprises in store. It all started long ago but we can focus back one year when Israel murdered 9 Turkish citizens in an act of piracy, peace activists on an aid ship heading for Gaza. Aid ships heading for Gaza now get a military escort from the Turkish Navy and Turkey's president is heading for Gaza and Egypt now, to slap Israel down.

A year ago, Israel and Turkey were best of friends. Their spy agencies in the US shared nuclear secrets, sold them to China, North Korea, Pakistan, Brazil, worked as partners blackmailing half of Washington's army of corrupt officials and traitorous military officers. Patriotism in Washington is rare nowadays, considered stupid. Washington is all about "globalism" and "no borders," about corporations, not "America." To most in Washington, America is a joke, a bankrupt "has been" nation drowning in debt with a military now useless, spread across the globe running errands for a cabal of international bankers.

Until a week ago, the Turkish Army believed it had control of Turkey, despite the elected government. Israel believed the same. They were wrong. A year ago, Israel believed Turkey would always be controlled because of their desire to join the European Union. Now that dream is considered hopeless. Who would want to join anyway, the EU is broke, falling apart and toothless. Turkey, instead, is an economic powerhouse, outdistancing all but Germany in technology, productivity and science.

I had to share this as it is a brilliant article that deals with the problems the US has caused throughout the world.

At this point although the US army is unmatched in strength they are spread throughout the world and stretched so thin that it would be hard for them to make a huge difference in a conflict like this. They have too many wars already to worry about and still have plenty of soldiers in countries where the wars have stopped more than a half a century ago.

On top of the US military being spread so thin they are on the verge of economic collapse. They are unable to fund any more new wars, and are having trouble funding the ones already in existence. To me the pieces are in place, and it is not a matter of if anymore, but when.

Any thoughts?

Pred...

yes just one, nuclear subs!! Any questions? didn't think so !!!!

Originally posted by Old77
there is no such thing as an over stretched USA Military but their is such a thing as ICBM's and submarines. Massive attack on Israel? I L O L a little every time I hear that.

yea I LOL a little everytime I here someone say that to- it wouldnt have to be a massive attack at all, a few icbms with mirv's would be more than sufficient due to their incredibly small geography. This will probably get out of hand

Iran and Israel at war is interesting because various prophets did mention such event occurring, indeed it is when that should worry us.

Nuke Israel...you've got more chance of shoving a pound of lard up a gnats a$$ with a hot needle.

The Zionists have put in too much time and effort to get their hands on Israel, they're not about to damn it all to hell, not just yet, besides they need it intact for their final apocalyptic Talmudic prophecy to be fulfilled.

There's still that pesky apocalyptic Talmudic 6,000,000 number of dead Jews to deal with first...

Some of Saddams biological WMDs will no doubt make their way from Syria, just as everyone had suspected of course, Saddams WMDs were never found because they had crossed over the Syrian border in 2002.

Hamas with the aid of an Iranian built pay load delivery system will launch a once in a lifetime REAL missile into Israel with something along the lines of Ebola

Ebola will have a 90% success rate killing of a population that is already way over 7,000,000, that's the prophetical 6,000,000 taken care of and with loose change, and no nasty radioactive glass bowls to deal with, well not in Israel anyway.

Say hello to Global FUBAR.

reply to post by bluemirage5

Israel is fully aware of what one single decent sized nuclear bomb would do to the intire Middle East; it would make it almost inhabitable for 100's of years

You must be joking. Who's living in a dream world? You are. You obviously don't know anything about nuclear weapons.

reply to post by jonnywhite

Comparing christianity and judaism to islam is insulting. Allah gives its adherents the right to lie and kill in the Quran.

Yeah and christians and jews just lie and kill and then say they didn't do it. Or ask for God's forgiveness and it's alright!

You religious nuts are the problem.

Originally posted by bluemirage5
reply to post by AussiePatriot

 

So we have here an Australian that deems Israel as one of the most dangerous nations on earth and you want to see it's destruction? Tell me exactly how Israel is a threat to YOU and Australia??? You then go on saying the USA is loosing considerable control of the Asian and Pacific regions.....they are? Last time I looked you could'nt be further from the truth!!! You also cite China is vastly building up it's military and tentions are building in the South Chinese Sea etc. If you are right then would'nt China be the threat to Australia and not Israel??? You're not making any sense!

May I also remind you that Australia and Israel are indeed close allies and enjoy a very good friendship that will continue for many years, if not, generations to come.

To my knowledge, Australian military bases are not re-locating at all, what is actually happening are the AMERICANS are building bases and EXTENDING already existing bases in North West of Australia as a joint effort between the Australian and US Military.

Do NOT underestimate the military might of the USA in the Pacific region; they are here to stay.....not just on Australian soil but you'll be surprised what's below the surface of our surrounding seas (and that includes NZ)

Firstly, Israel is a threat to world peace if you can't understand that then I can't help you.
Secondly, I never said Israel was a threat to Australia but in fact the whole world which includes Australia.
Thirdly, America IS losing control of the Asia/Pacific region. Where is the evidence you ask? Well then ask yourself this, why does China feel the need to attack foreign vessels in the South-China most specifically those from the Phillipines and Vietnam of which is in their waters? The answer is because China now feels strong enough to exert its authority throughout this region. At the same time America comes out saying they have national interests in the South-China sea and that they will defend the Phillipines from an act of aggression.

Also with your claim that Australian bases are not being moved up north, well let me tell you they are. But you are correct about the Americans establishing new bases in WA and NT.
I don't underestimate the American military. However, in the event of Australian/Chinese confrontation I can't imagine America coming to our aid. There economy is in a severe recession/depression and they owe most of their debt to China anyway...

reply to post by MischeviousElf


Lets imagine for a second that nuclear weapons wouldn't be a factor.

Even if they managed to somehow destroy the the US carriers, Russia and China's surface ships would still be wiped out. Their air forces, naval stations, and air bases would be wiped out in a matter of weeks if not days by US bombing campaigns. Within months all of their rail stations, power plants, refineries, ports, munitions plants, or essentially their entire infrastructure could be taken out by US air power, special forces, and contractors.

We wouldn't have the forces to invade and occupy, but we could reduce their infrastructure to pre industrial levels within a year.

The loss of our carriers would not stop that outcome.

What we see going on today has been going on for a long, long time. We just have the ability to access information with our finger tips and by our own choice bombard ourselves with Internet info.

IMHO talk of war will stop and real war you guys speak of will start when the Arabs unite under one leader. My first thought of this really happening was when the Egypt government toppled....September missiles flying is a far stretch of the Imagination. Turkey going to war with Greece is a sooner seem forcast

reply to post by bluemirage5


The middle east will not be uninhabitable for hundreds of years, that is utter nonsense.

The USA blew up a very dirty and primitive nuke right in the center of Hiroshima less than 70 years ago and some 5 million people live quite happily in Hirosima prefecture today. There is no more background radiation there than in any other city of similar size.

America detonated more than 1100 nuclear weapons just 65 miles outside of Las Vegas, Nevada and people lived there the whole time... and of course, still do. People would watch the mushroom clouds from their hotel room windows during the above ground tests of the 1960's.

That is more megatonnage than Israel, Pakistan, India and North Korea combined... Just a stone's throw from Vegas.

Israel should clean up their local swamp with hellfire... The sooner, the better.

Originally posted by bluemirage5
reply to post by CasiusIgnoranze

 

Look, by the time the USA and NATO have finished with the Middle East, the Arabs will be too busy fighting among each other. The Middle East always has been a hot spot, and it always will be. They are their worst enemy.

If a real war was to break out......I'd be watching the Balkans and East Europe more closely in the next year or so. Thats where the real hot spot of "anything can happen at any moment" .

Yes, as H.H. Munro said, "The trouble with the Balkans is that they produce more history than they can consume locally."