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Islam is the Teaching of the False Prophet

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posted on Aug, 25 2004 @ 09:02 AM
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I wish people would just get over this ridiculous notion that one religion is somehow more right than others. We should all just accept and embrace all religions and creeds and broaden our wisdom and understandings from the scriptures and teachings of the religion.

Islam and Mohammed teach peace and love of your brother man. What is so evil and incorrect about that? absolutely nothing.




posted on Aug, 25 2004 @ 09:09 AM
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Originally posted by drfunk
I wish people would just get over this ridiculous notion that one religion is somehow more right than others. We should all just accept and embrace all religions and creeds and broaden our wisdom and understandings from the scriptures and teachings of the religion.

Islam and Mohammed teach peace and love of your brother man. What is so evil and incorrect about that? absolutely nothing.


If you have information that is contrary to what I have provided please post it.



posted on Aug, 25 2004 @ 09:39 AM
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Wow...I just can't believe the amount of people on this site that have totally been brainwashed by the media and government.

PS- Whose to say that Christianity will "triumph" over the "evil" of Islam. First off, you may want to read up on religion because Islam and Christianity are not the only two in existance. In fact, Buddhism, Hinduism, etc. make up a large part of the world as well. You need to open your eyes and realize that the world does not revolve around you and your beliefs! One clue for some of you...Christianity was not even a religion when Jesus was alive, so if anything I would think he was talking about either the Jewish people or just Good/Bad people in general.

If it does not state in the Bible that Islam is "evil" then you have absolutely no proof to back up your claims...reading into the Bible is often dangerous to people that cannot fully understand the message and want to put their twist on it to make it their own. People that only see "evil" and "bad" in things will come out with some weird theory that Islam is bad or something, but people that see the good in things will realize they need to love people and have compassion for the world.

Quit looking on the darkside of everything and you may just find true happiness, and until then you will seek out a reason to hate anyone that doesn't agree with yourself.

I'm sure Islam has its bad points, just as Christianity does, but this is no reason to hate the other. There are evil people in this world, for sure, but if you would get out of your house once in awhile and travel around and meet people and find out what their beliefs are you will soon realize one thing...most people are just trying to get by, be loving people, and contribute the most that they want to to the world. Civilization is not going to fall because of the common mans/womans beliefs, but only by those that wish to do harm. People that wish to inflict genocidal harm usually seem to be the rich and powerful, in any nation, in any time period. These are the people to watch out for, but making generalized statements like "Islam is evil" or such is being very closed minded to generally well meaning people.

One thing more. You see the world how you want. You can change the way you see the world. Are you ready to take that first step? Are you ready to love, instead of hate? Therein lies the true path to your own spirituality no matter if you are Pagan, Christian, Islamic, Buddhist, Hinduist, Atheist, etc.



posted on Aug, 26 2004 @ 04:41 AM
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Originally posted by bobafett1972
I'm confused Koka, did you mean my anger or looking for clues anger? Cause I have shown no anger at all in this thread.


Yes, the question was for looking4clues.


When looking4clues, you should not wear blinkers.



posted on Aug, 27 2004 @ 08:08 AM
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Geez guys, I think we are getting a bit off topic. The topic isn't about the actions of certain religous members or the meaning to life etc etc etc. The topic is about how Islam is based on a pagan god, and that Mohammed is the false prophet. If you want a Christianity vs. Islam debate, then start it in a new thread, instead of polluting this one.



posted on Aug, 27 2004 @ 08:33 AM
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Originally posted by Angelofdeath
Geez guys, I think we are getting a bit off topic. The topic isn't about the actions of certain religous members or the meaning to life etc etc etc. The topic is about how Islam is based on a pagan god, and that Mohammed is the false prophet. If you want a Christianity vs. Islam debate, then start it in a new thread, instead of polluting this one.


Illustrations may be required to push that point across. Great post though!



posted on Aug, 27 2004 @ 01:24 PM
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as far as religion is concerned please consider this!!!

all religions teach you have to EARN your place with God and entrance into heaven...ALL of them..except ONE...CHRISTIANITY.

Jesus Christ was the only person who actually said what he was, predicted who he was from thousands of years in the past..and then fullfilled all scripture with his very life...saving and offering salvation for ANYONE who has faith in him

My point is this. Its easy to mock salvation...until you FACE DEATH.....will Islam save you from DEATH??? Maybe Buddism?? OK maybe Judiasm?? Even if you keep all the tenanets of these faiths will that save you from death?? Did Buddah say he'd do that and did he then FULLFILL what he said?? Mohammed maybe?? Even Moses..who the Lord made a GOD to the Egyptians cannot save you from death. So to all the atheists out there watch what you say....no matter how strong you think you are there are enough things in life alone that can cripple you..yet you still have not seen or faced death!

"its easy to mock it until you NEED IT!"



posted on Aug, 27 2004 @ 01:56 PM
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HAHAHA!!!!!!!

A Christian fundamentalist accusing Islam of being pagan!!!!!!!!

Just how blinkered, blind, ignorant and hypocritical can one get??!!!!!

All religion is rooted in paganism. But Christianity literally reeks of it. It's far, far more pagan than either Judaism and Islam in that it takes several elements from many different old faiths and incorporates them as major points of faith. Hello? Can anyone say Mithras? Or Sol Invicta? Jeez. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

As for Islam being evil?
Poor old Looking4Clues probably wouldn't even be able to spout his crap here if it wasn't for Islam. He toes the ultra-orthadox line but I'll bet that he isn't even aware that if it wasn't for Islam infringing on the territory of the Coptic Christian Churches, and them having to sell their souls to Orthodoxy for protection, his version of Christianity might not have even made it into the 14th Century!!!! Ol' evil Islam actually helped to give power and shape to the twisted religion that Looking4Clues professes is so pure.
You really have to laugh at these guys who proclaim that Jesus' is Salvation and then totally ignore his teachings by burbling on about how they hate and fear everyone else. They try to push their hatred without ever knowing that they have become exactly what they preach against.

As for Mohammed being a pedophile? Well, the plain fact is that man wasn't an evolved creature back then, that sort of thing was actually the norm. And we can even point to many Western marriages where the bride wasn't even a teen on her wedding night.
And the murderer accusation? Heh!!! Moses was a murderer as was David. In fact old David went one better and committed a bit of adultery too. Yet you'll never hear that from a zealot because:

a) either they haven't actually read the Bible, they've just swallowed what somebody else has told them.

or b) They actually condone the murderous action of these two characters. But then admitting to that would make them just the same as those they accuse wouldn't it?

He isn't even aware of the history of his own religion, so how can this guy judge or criticise others?

Christian my ass.



posted on Aug, 27 2004 @ 02:03 PM
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I've read these posts and I try not to get pulled into it, I just got this feeling that God is looking at us and he/she is weeping.



posted on Aug, 27 2004 @ 02:17 PM
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Originally posted by Der Kapitan
I've read these posts and I try not to get pulled into it, I just got this feeling that God is looking at us and he/she is weeping.


If I were God, I wouldn't be weeping. I'd be pissed. Pissed about how people take my name and then use it against others.

But of course, I'm not God, so I tend to agree with you.

One of the biggest contradictions in this world is how those who claim to follow religions of peace and love can so easily show hatred and loathing for others.



posted on Aug, 27 2004 @ 02:35 PM
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Dbates - Re your post on Saudi Arabia... it's a classic example of inferring without sufficient proof. "Men who live in Seattle have blonde hair, so all men in Washington state have blonde hair."

The thing is, Saudi Arabia is renowned as one of the exceptions in the Muslim world - a repressive, feudal state that refuses to move forward and goes for a very extremist interpretation of the charia (Muslim law). The thing is, if you go to Morocco, or to muslim African states like Benin, Mali and Senegal (where I've been) you'll find a much more moderate brand of Islam, and some communities where Muslims and Christian minorities actually collaborate towards development and improving the quality of life.

Islam has two big problems right now: A) feudal-inspired states where brutal medieval laws supposedly inspired from the Quran are applied, and B) a radical interpretation of Islam by some fundamentalist imams which is at odds with more moderate interpretations.

And let me give a clear example of how you can interpret a holy text in two different ways... anyone remember the 17th-century Presbyterians in Cromwellian England, who used the Bible to have the "unrighteous" arrested and sometimes burned?



posted on Aug, 27 2004 @ 02:48 PM
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Unfortunately, The threat of Islamic Fundamentalism is REAL. Perhaps it will take a personal tragedy to open your eyes... to others... it takes less.


looking4clues,

You just closed your own case. Exactly, these are FUNADMENTALISTS, wait, no, fundamentalists should be replaced with Fanataics, that represent thier respected faiths.


Deep



posted on Aug, 30 2004 @ 08:50 AM
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no no no no no



no and god



posted on Aug, 30 2004 @ 01:49 PM
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has I found mine?

Um, my head isn't in the sand, sweetie.

Serious question... do you have any formal higher education? If so, in what? Does it involve Theology? Logic and Language? Ethics? World Studies?



* Ahem *

I was a former Business student, now threw that aside, and pursuing my major in philosophy, with a theology minor. This, though relevent to an extent, proves nothing, it's very argumentum ad verecundiam ( philosophy term, which I am sure you are aware of
)

I have not seen you tout your education either, you've simply reverted to attack Marge via ad ignorantum...

Also, debating wether or not Muhhamed was a phedophile is getting quite lame, its been refutted enough times. It was a contempory custom of the times, for heavens sake, my grandparents were married in India at the tender age of 13.

6/7 th century Greeks had open homosexual relationships, should we dissent the present greek population and the ideologies of the Greco-Philosophical elite for that ?

Looking4clues,

Please, for your own sake, read the Quran, Hadith and the Sunnah before you make such ignorant remarks towards the Islamic world. It's foolhardy to comment and detract something you know very little of. FOX is no education my freind.

Deep



posted on Aug, 30 2004 @ 05:07 PM
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Originally posted by looking4clues

Originally posted by Gazrok

Muhammad was married to a 6 year old Jewish girl, while he was 51, and he slept with his 11 wives in one night


I didn't know they had Viagra back then!


Seriously though, the same claim can be made about most biblical wives being children themselves, when having their children.

6 is pretty bad though...
but not surprising. What most westerners don't get is that in most parts of the muslim world, women are barely more than property as far as the men are concerned. This is simply the way things are and have been for thousands of years. It is unfortunate, and for the most part, muslims in civilized nations no longer act this way, but Christianity and other faiths have the same skeletons in their closets as well....(not even going there with Catholic priests, hehe....)

The God of the old testament demanded and encouraged the death of non-believers as well...and numerous verses can be found to support this, right down to the raping of the enemy women, killing of their unborn sons, etc.

Various religions preach this because religion is a tool used by man to control other men and get them to behave how you desire, by claiming it is not your desire, but the desire of the deity. The faith of something greater than all of us is the key, not the details and rites and rituals...regardless of the name you ascribe to a deity, or faith in mankind. It's when ascribing a name to this faith, that you then have people kill, etc. in the name of a God. If there was such a deity worthy of worship, would he demand this? I think not....and therein lies the greatest fallacy of organized religion. Unstructured faith, instead of steadfast dogma, is such a better idea....for all of us.

[edit on 24-8-2004 by Gazrok]


Attacking Christianity will not make me condone the evils of Islam. If you have Information that is contrary to what I have posted here please share it.


Looking4clues, you are one amazing character. I think you should be a politician becuase you know how to dodge an issue. How can you judge the ills of other religions when there are ills in your own and yet you fail to address them and revert back to attacking other religions? Gazrok has pointed out the problems of the old testament and gotten into the issues of little boys being molested at the alter by catholic priests. The list goes on. I can copy and paste some of the ills in christianity, which are posted by other users on other threads if I have to. The point Gazrok is trying to make is that, you cant judge the fallacies of others and ignore your own fallacies. All these fallacies have been mentioned before and you've ignored them all of them by saying, "Attacking Christianity will not make me condone the evils of Islam." Real cool move
. Well on that same token, I can say, "Attacking Islam will not make me condone the evils of Christianity." You play with a 2-faced coin.

I hope you realize this is a war on terror, which consist of fanatics, NOT ON ISLAM. I dont know where your misconception of all muslims being evil comes from. I think you are misguided. Why dont you take muslims in america, Britain, Austrailia, Germany, Russia? I hope you realize that there are many muslims in american that heavily associate with christians, jews, buddist, etc. as their friends. Of coarse they may have a hard time associating with racist people like you, but nonetheless, they have plenty of nonmuslim friends. But in your quote from another thread you cite that muslims are to consider jews/christians as enemys. Not happening here. Did you also know that there are shia muslims(many) that dont adhere to everything they read in the koran? Why is that? One reason is that some of those quotes dealing with war are from times when the muslim nation was at war with their enemies, which was CENTURIES AGO!. Even when anti-muslim sites copy them, those quotes are still out of context becuase there may be a verse that comes right after that, saying if any disbeliever wants peace then give it to them and give them shelter, etc.

[edit on 30-8-2004 by kyateLaBoca]



posted on Sep, 1 2004 @ 07:52 AM
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Originally posted by ZeroDeep
Looking4clues,

Please, for your own sake, read the Quran, Hadith and the Sunnah before you make such ignorant remarks towards the Islamic world. It's foolhardy to comment and detract something you know very little of. FOX is no education my freind.

Deep


Try explaining 200 children hostages in Russia, 2 jet liners down in Russia, 2 buses blown up in Israel, 12 buddhists murdered for .... well being buddhist. This is just the past 2 weeks. But i get it... the Westernized Muslims are the correct ones.. and the ones in the Middle East are the incorrect ones right?

Association of Muslim Scholars condemnation of 12 Nepalese...

Iraq's leading Muslim authority, the Association of Muslim Scholars, has condemned the killing, saying the captives were "simple people" who did not deserve their fate.

Dr Harith al-Dhari, secretary general of the AMS, told Aljazeera that "we are against killing hostages, particularly if it has been a group execution".

"Those 12 Nepalese hostages are simple people. They might have been deceived to serve the occupation forces."

"I wish they had not been treated so cruelly," he added.

Al-Dhari also called for the fair treatment of all persons in Iraq, irrespective of religion and creed.

"Through Aljazeera, I call on all groups who claim they are resistance and Islamic groups to be more merciful, just and humane while dealing with captives despite their religion, trends and reasons behind their presence in Iraq," he said.

english.aljazeera.net... 8686A49F7E.htm
This condemnation is half hearted and shows a lack of respect of human life. Almost condoning taking hostages.

[edit on 1-9-2004 by looking4clues]



posted on Sep, 1 2004 @ 07:57 AM
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When comparing Islam to Christianity, and Mohammed to Jesus, depends on what side you are... Because if you are a muslim, then Jesus is also a prophet for the muslims... And they acknowledge the archangel Gabriel, and Mary, and Jesus, and saint John the Baptiser. For them there is no such thing, when reffering to Jesus , as a false prophet. Why is, then, Mohammed for christians ? Just because these days being a muslim is symilar to being a terrorist ?
Let`s be serious and read some more...



posted on Sep, 1 2004 @ 08:16 AM
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Looking4clues, you are one amazing character. I think you should be a politician becuase you know how to dodge an issue. How can you judge the ills of other religions when there are ills in your own and yet you fail to address them and revert back to attacking other religions? Gazrok has pointed out the problems of the old testament and gotten into the issues of little boys being molested at the alter by catholic priests. The list goes on. I can copy and paste some of the ills in christianity, which are posted by other users on other threads if I have to. The point Gazrok is trying to make is that, you cant judge the fallacies of others and ignore your own fallacies. All these fallacies have been mentioned before and you've ignored them all of them by saying, "Attacking Christianity will not make me condone the evils of Islam." Real cool move . Well on that same token, I can say, "Attacking Islam will not make me condone the evils of Christianity." You play with a 2-faced coin.

I hope you realize this is a war on terror, which consist of fanatics, NOT ON ISLAM. I dont know where your misconception of all muslims being evil comes from. I think you are misguided. Why dont you take muslims in america, Britain, Austrailia, Germany, Russia? I hope you realize that there are many muslims in american that heavily associate with christians, jews, buddist, etc. as their friends. Of coarse they may have a hard time associating with racist people like you, but nonetheless, they have plenty of nonmuslim friends. But in your quote from another thread you cite that muslims are to consider jews/christians as enemys. Not happening here. Did you also know that there are shia muslims(many) that dont adhere to everything they read in the koran? Why is that? One reason is that some of those quotes dealing with war are from times when the muslim nation was at war with their enemies, which was CENTURIES AGO!. Even when anti-muslim sites copy them, those quotes are still out of context becuase there may be a verse that comes right after that, saying if any disbeliever wants peace then give it to them and give them shelter, etc.


In defense of the shots you all take on the Catholic church... one thing you all fail to take into account is that the Catholic Church is based on forgiveness. When priests are discovered being homosexual pedophiles, they beg to be forgiven, and it is the nature of Catholics to do just that... forgive them, and it has proven to be a mistake. It is most definitely being addressed within the church... as well as in the courts, but there is nothing stopping anyone from bringing suit against the church now... settlements have reached the BILLIONS of dollars. The Archdiocese of Boston is bankrupt, Los Angeles is probably not far behind. Trashing the church after they are actively trying to fix this situation is your luxury. Enjoy it. There is more to Christianity than Catholics.



posted on Sep, 1 2004 @ 08:27 AM
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Originally posted by Koka

Originally posted by looking4clues

Originally posted by Koka
Got it in for the Muslims today have we.

Go look for a neo-facist site that wants your views.


140 Million Militant Muslims want to kill YOU.


I guess I should be worried then, I think they'll come looking for you before me though.


So you are a Wahabbi Muslim then? If they have their way,
those are the only ones who they will allow to live. If you
are not a Wahabbi, then no, they won't come looking for
others before they look for you. They want everyone who
isn't a Wahabbi dead. They make no distinctions between
conservatives, liberals, protestants, catholics, etc.
We are all equal infidels to be killed.



posted on Sep, 1 2004 @ 08:29 AM
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Originally posted by Angelofdeath
Geez guys, I think we are getting a bit off topic. The topic isn't about the actions of certain religous members or the meaning to life etc etc etc. The topic is about how Islam is based on a pagan god, and that Mohammed is the false prophet. If you want a Christianity vs. Islam debate, then start it in a new thread, instead of polluting this one.


Very well said. Information on Islam, it's roots, it's sects etc.
would be welcome and interesting to read.

[edit on 9/1/2004 by FlyersFan]



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