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Islam is the Teaching of the False Prophet

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posted on Aug, 24 2004 @ 09:16 AM
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Originally posted by looking4clues

Originally posted by bobafett1972
This is one of the many porblems with religion. Do I have to point it out? Your God is the one true God, while all others are false Gods? How do you know? Do you have real, solid proof the the Christian God is the one true God? Throughout history Gods have come and gone. What if one of the Gods from the past comes back really pissed because he is the one true God and all others are false? Would you like a side order of death and destruction with that burger?

[edit on 8/24/2004 by bobafett1972]


Faith.


Never said I was lacking in the faith department. To me it's a personal thing and I keep it that way. My point was more of a personal observation, that religions for the most part always at some point lead to violence, war and bloodshed? Throughtout history my point is proven time and time again.

Why is the end coming? Since the dawn of time it seems someone is always saying that the sky is falling. IMO it will come, this is common sense, but it will be us that brings it. It will not be by the hand of any God.




posted on Aug, 24 2004 @ 09:19 AM
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Originally posted by marg6043
Koka,

Actually yes I have higer education, and for personal insults I am one of the last members in these forums to do that.

Have a good posting


[edit on 24-8-2004 by marg6043]


In this thread Marg... you were the first.



posted on Aug, 24 2004 @ 09:21 AM
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Nor did I imply you lacked faith, however you did ask how I was so sure... to that I answered Faith. I hope that clears it up for you. I encourage you to strengthen your faith.



posted on Aug, 24 2004 @ 09:23 AM
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Originally posted by Gazrok

Muhammad was married to a 6 year old Jewish girl, while he was 51, and he slept with his 11 wives in one night


I didn't know they had Viagra back then!


Seriously though, the same claim can be made about most biblical wives being children themselves, when having their children.

6 is pretty bad though...
but not surprising. What most westerners don't get is that in most parts of the muslim world, women are barely more than property as far as the men are concerned. This is simply the way things are and have been for thousands of years. It is unfortunate, and for the most part, muslims in civilized nations no longer act this way, but Christianity and other faiths have the same skeletons in their closets as well....(not even going there with Catholic priests, hehe....)

The God of the old testament demanded and encouraged the death of non-believers as well...and numerous verses can be found to support this, right down to the raping of the enemy women, killing of their unborn sons, etc.

Various religions preach this because religion is a tool used by man to control other men and get them to behave how you desire, by claiming it is not your desire, but the desire of the deity. The faith of something greater than all of us is the key, not the details and rites and rituals...regardless of the name you ascribe to a deity, or faith in mankind. It's when ascribing a name to this faith, that you then have people kill, etc. in the name of a God. If there was such a deity worthy of worship, would he demand this? I think not....and therein lies the greatest fallacy of organized religion. Unstructured faith, instead of steadfast dogma, is such a better idea....for all of us.

[edit on 24-8-2004 by Gazrok]


Attacking Christianity will not make me condone the evils of Islam. If you have Information that is contrary to what I have posted here please share it.



posted on Aug, 24 2004 @ 09:27 AM
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But you let the "good" Mulsims tell you not to be concerned with them. Meanwhile they suicide bomb all corners of the planet. The "good" muslims do nothing to stop it other than symbolic gestures. And why would they stop it, it benefits them as it is what Allah truly wants and they all know this.


No, they don't "stop" it because they can't, anymore than the Catholics putting a stop to their priests molesting little altar boys... Do you really think that muslims living in say, Seattle, have any power to stop some radical extremist in the Gaza strip? Hardly...



posted on Aug, 24 2004 @ 09:30 AM
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Originally posted by looking4clues
Nor did I imply you lacked faith, however you did ask how I was so sure... to that I answered Faith. I hope that clears it up for you. I encourage you to strengthen your faith.


Like I already said I have faith, and it is strong. It's just not with your God is all.



posted on Aug, 24 2004 @ 09:31 AM
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Originally posted by Gazrok

But you let the "good" Mulsims tell you not to be concerned with them. Meanwhile they suicide bomb all corners of the planet. The "good" muslims do nothing to stop it other than symbolic gestures. And why would they stop it, it benefits them as it is what Allah truly wants and they all know this.


No, they don't "stop" it because they can't, anymore than the Catholics putting a stop to their priests molesting little altar boys... Do you really think that muslims living in say, Seattle, have any power to stop some radical extremist in the Gaza strip? Hardly...


If you have evidence that what I offered is inaccurate, please share it... The faults of Catholicism do not justify the evils of Islam.



posted on Aug, 24 2004 @ 09:33 AM
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Originally posted by bobafett1972

Originally posted by looking4clues
Nor did I imply you lacked faith, however you did ask how I was so sure... to that I answered Faith. I hope that clears it up for you. I encourage you to strengthen your faith.


Like I already said I have faith, and it is strong. It's just not with your God is all.


How can you make that assumption? I have given no clues to my faith.



posted on Aug, 24 2004 @ 09:55 AM
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hmmmm this discussion is kinda pointless.
Claiming that one prophet is false based on a claim made in another religious book whos divinity is based only on belief is ...well, an interesting thought experiment, nothing more. I got some free time, so I guess I'll go along with it.

So, a few clarifications.
Allah means God, one single God. Around the time of Mohamad, tribes in saudi arabia believed in many gods and were often in war because of that. Mohamad united them claiming there is only one God, who has sent many prophets from the begining of the world. That includes all mentioned in Old and New Testament. Jesus is there too, miracle birth and all that.
Jews and Christians are called People of the Book, Believers, kafir (unbeliever) is a person who doesnt believe in God at all.
Those who adhere to the teachings of Qur'an only are submitters (muslims).
Muslims never claimed that Mohamad was sinless or divine, he was just human, and in fact it is absolutely forbiden to worship him. One should only worship God and respect prophets that carried his Word. Nothing else.

Qur'an is not a training book for killers, if it was, we would be all dead long ago.

Incorporated in religion, in some muslim countries, are old tribal laws that have been given divinity status by men. Not all muslims follow it, look at bosnia, Shariah was never an official law there, heads do not roll, fingers are not cut off, women are not stoned. They too read the exact same Qur'an as all the other muslims.

The DNA of all humans on Earth is basicaly the same, ergo there is evil everywhere. The origin of it is in our very existence, not in religions.
To expect a certain group to be perfect down to the very last member is stupid and naive. As I said, there is evil everywhere, it is HUMAN NATURE, regardless of your label.

I am not even sure what exactly are you trying to prove with your posts.



Regarding your other post.... well....

You use partial sentences from 5 different chapters to combine it into one that fits your initial claim. Oh man...

I suggest that you read the whole Qur'an before you post more.



posted on Aug, 24 2004 @ 10:12 AM
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Originally posted by looking4clues

Originally posted by bobafett1972

Originally posted by looking4clues
Nor did I imply you lacked faith, however you did ask how I was so sure... to that I answered Faith. I hope that clears it up for you. I encourage you to strengthen your faith.


Like I already said I have faith, and it is strong. It's just not with your God is all.


How can you make that assumption? I have given no clues to my faith.


I reckon you're not Muslim, thats all we need to know for this discussion really, and your aim is to tar all Muslims with the same brush.

Personally, I think your anger comes from another source.

[edit on 24-8-2004 by Koka]



posted on Aug, 24 2004 @ 11:00 AM
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I agree with your points on Islam...

When reading through this thread I was reminded of a clip I had seen before on Comedy Central of an argument between christianity and islam. Funny stuff and it shows just how utterly pointless an argument of people with different faiths actually is. Check it out. Just click on the link and then click on the "even stevphen" clip on the bottom right.

Linky



posted on Aug, 24 2004 @ 11:02 AM
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Originally posted by Koka

Originally posted by looking4clues

Originally posted by bobafett1972

Originally posted by looking4clues
Nor did I imply you lacked faith, however you did ask how I was so sure... to that I answered Faith. I hope that clears it up for you. I encourage you to strengthen your faith.


Like I already said I have faith, and it is strong. It's just not with your God is all.


How can you make that assumption? I have given no clues to my faith.


I reckon you're not Muslim, thats all we need to know for this discussion really, and your aim is to tar all Muslims with the same brush.

Personally, I think your anger comes from another source.

[edit on 24-8-2004 by Koka]

I'm confused Koka, did you mean my anger or looking for clues anger? Cause I have shown no anger at all in this thread.



posted on Aug, 24 2004 @ 11:05 AM
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""Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves." -Matthew 7-15

And I'm sure there is overwhelming hardcore evidence that people like Matthew were legit and that Jesus was real. I mean other than stories handed down from generation to generation. If that is the only evidence then truly Santa must be real.



posted on Aug, 24 2004 @ 11:15 AM
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Originally posted by dusran
I agree with your points on Islam...

When reading through this thread I was reminded of a clip I had seen before on Comedy Central of an argument between christianity and islam. Funny stuff and it shows just how utterly pointless an argument of people with different faiths actually is. Check it out. Just click on the link and then click on the "even stevphen" clip on the bottom right.

Linky


LMFAO!!!!


Daily show rocks!



posted on Aug, 24 2004 @ 11:54 AM
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Originally posted by bobafett1972
Throughout history Gods have come and gone. What if one of the Gods from the past comes back really pissed because he is the one true God and all others are false? Would you like a side order of death and destruction with that burger?

You are so close to the truth it's scary! Let's suppose that the world's best known book ended up being the truth, and most people laughed at it. That would be the most ironic thing ever.



posted on Aug, 24 2004 @ 12:15 PM
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One of the things that people tend to forget when they have this discussion is that you can't get something from nothing. The point being that this universe does exist, and there must be a cause. I could go off in to many, many scientific facts, but my point is that there is a cause, a God, and someone is right. Is it too far-fetched of an idea to believe that the creator would want to communicate to us somehow?

You should avoid veering into the "There is no God, all religion is false" point of view. Taking this stance is nothing more than closing your eyes, plugging your ears, and singing to drown out the "Noise" of religious discussions around you. You cannot sit on the fence in this matter. You are for or against God, and the discussion in this thread is that Islam is the false religion. In keeping with the spirit of "Deny Ignorance" you should at least do some studying to find out the truth of the matter.



posted on Aug, 24 2004 @ 12:27 PM
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It's always so confusing to me why people quote the bible to prove a point...nothing within the bible is provable, so why do people use it as proof? It just makes no logical sense what-so-ever....if your trying to make a point to others....why not use provable fact..?



posted on Aug, 24 2004 @ 01:24 PM
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Here are some evidences of what Islam is, without quoting the Bible.

I met a man in Riyadh who was missing some fingers. "What happened?" I asked him. He replied, "Someone told the Muttawa (religious police) I had a pornographic magazine." So the Saudi religious police, knowing he made his living sewing clothes removed both his pinkies because he had this magazine. He wasn't even Muslim, just a worker from the Philippines.

On another occasion (while in Saudi Arabia) I was told by a friend not to mention Jesus. He became very quiet when I breached the topic. "Never talk about these things in public", he said. So even though Muhammad claimed Jesus was a prophet of God, you can be arrested and jailed for speaking about Him outside of the context of the Koran.

From my personal experience Islam is intolerant, and cruel at best. Read more about the Muttawa in this blog. This guy lives in Saudi Arabia, so you can hear it first hand from him, how peaceful their religious police are. If they would chop off fingers for owning a pornographic magazine, they would surely kill you for being involved in it's production. This isn't an extremist view, this is normal Islam. If you lived there for a few months like I did, your eyes would be opened to the truth. The way they treat their women like cattle is quite sickening. They can't drive, or even sit in the front seat of a car with their husband. That's correct, if a Muslim woman rides somewhere with her husband she must remain in the back seat even though it is just the two of them. Most restaurants will not allow women to come inside, or if they do it is to a special room that the can find by using a back door... out of site.

More proof of what Islam is...

bbc - Saudi police 'stopped' fire rescue
Saudi Arabia's religious police stopped schoolgirls from leaving a blazing building because they were not wearing correct Islamic dress, according to Saudi newspapers.

One witness said he saw three policemen "beating young girls to prevent them from leaving the school because they were not wearing the abaya".

Please visit the link provided for the complete story.


O yes, the kind and peaceful religion that we call Islam. So consider this the final bit of evidence. What religion would rather let 18 innocent school girls die than come outside where it is safe because their head isn't covered.



posted on Aug, 25 2004 @ 05:14 AM
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Dbates - Your making the mistake of equating the actions of intolerant government whose corrupt leaders have a vested interest in keeping its people subserviant with that of the actual teachings Islam professes.

I've learned a long time ago that you don't judge the teachings of a specific religion by the actions of those who claim to follow it (especially governments), because most of the time the people themselves are full of it and are just "using" it to achieve a personal goal and/or are just straight up ignorant. Your links are just an example of a backwards government institutionalizing a less "civilized" form of rule, not of "what Islam is". It wouldn't be fair for me to point at Catholic priests and the actions of the Catholic Church and and say that Christianity condones (or at least does not activily punish) child molesters?

As the Inquisition and the Crusades were not indicative of the feelings of all Christians at that time, neither is the actions of the Oppressive governments and their religous police indicitive of all who practice Islam. If so then every single Muslim would be on a bloody warpath to kill any and all non-Muslims, a proposition you could not possibly get me to believe as only the very vocal and very violent fundamentalist minority wish this.

[edit on 25-8-2004 by Herbaliser]



posted on Aug, 25 2004 @ 08:38 AM
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If you have evidence that what I offered is inaccurate, please share it... The faults of Catholicism do not justify the evils of Islam.


Nor am I trying to. I am simply stating that those in glass houses shouldn't throw stones...


Almost ALL religions have had their darker moments....
Just saying you should check your own house before condemning another....

I myself, am of NO organized religion....



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