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Like The Liberal Anti-War Movement The Tea Party Has Been Hijacked

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posted on Sep, 13 2011 @ 02:23 AM
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Originally posted by Southern Guardian

If that's the case, why are all the tea party leaders rightwing and republican?
False assumptions. "They" are not. Now most Tea Party folks are for smaller government. How many democrats are for that? How many republicans?

Continuing to label "us" into one category or another will just cause you more frustration than anything else.




posted on Sep, 13 2011 @ 02:31 AM
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Originally posted by beezzer
False assumptions. "They" are not. Now most Tea Party folks are for smaller government. How many democrats are for that? How many republicans?

Continuing to label "us" into one category or another will just cause you more frustration than anything else.


Not a false assumption at all. All I hear is talk about how tea partiers are none-cohesive, and all I see come out are rightwing republican politicians, most of whom fall right back into the establishment. If this movement is so individualist interms of beliefs, ideology, we'd see a diversity of candidates endorsed by the tea parties. The only differences I see in this movement is as to how far right one has to go.

Keep on talking Beezer, and keep on voting Republican as you do.



posted on Sep, 13 2011 @ 02:41 AM
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Originally posted by Southern Guardian

Originally posted by beezzer
False assumptions. "They" are not. Now most Tea Party folks are for smaller government. How many democrats are for that? How many republicans?

Continuing to label "us" into one category or another will just cause you more frustration than anything else.


Not a false assumption at all. All I hear is talk about how tea partiers are none-cohesive, and all I see come out are rightwing republican politicians, most of whom fall right back into the establishment. If this movement is so individualist interms of beliefs, ideology, we'd see a diversity of candidates endorsed by the tea parties. The only differences I see in this movement is as to how far right one has to go.

Keep on talking Beezer, and keep on voting Republican as you do.

My "leader" of the Tea Party (nominally) is a guy named Steve. A stay-at-home dad. He does all the e-mails and get-togethers. Also makes a pretty awesome martini.

Right-wing pols want to belong, want our support. If a democrat comes to the fore espousing ideas that "we" agree with, then they'll get "our" support.

This continuation of labeling Tea Party people is getting rather old, however.



posted on Sep, 13 2011 @ 03:04 AM
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Originally posted by ModernAcademia
just like when during the bush era anti-war protesters are today nowhere to be found
Because ya there's still war, but hey a Democrat is in power, so it's all good right?


I can't speak for everyone, but I think those anti-war protesters are still there. But I think after the epic disappointment of Obama to truly bring change, for many hope is crushed.

Republican or Democrat, it doesn't matter... the plan set forth by the PNAC is in full effect and will continue to be until it is complete. They can even bring down towers in NYC to get the ball rolling, even write about the need to do so a year before, and never get caught. Why? Because the support for this plan is too great. Military and media... and all major corporation. What more do you need? Nothing will change. People protest every war. Does it matter? Do protests stop war?

Tea Party is fake, everything is fake. News is fake. Patriotism is fake. Politicians are fake. Their speeches and promises are fake.

Don't mistake despair and disillusion for "it's all good"... It's f*cked and will continue to be. Where once I cared, now I am older and I see you can't change the world, best to just find your own little corner of land and have a family and focus on that for as long as you can.

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posted on Sep, 13 2011 @ 03:06 AM
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I'm not concerned about as to whom is part of your tea party group and what position you place him in. I'm my concerned as to who you choose to make decisions in Washington and what excuses you have behind choosing them. Steve? Is Steve going to run as president? Is he going to run for Congress? Is he an independent candidate? Is Steve going to represent you in Washington? Or is he just somebody that shares a view with you?


Right-wing pols want to belong, want our support. If a democrat comes to the fore espousing ideas that "we" agree with, then they'll get "our" support.


Obviously rightwing republican politicians want your vote, because the tea parties are a fringe rightwing movement and one that they need. You're dead right in saying that most Democratic policies don't fit in with the tea party agenda, because they're not rightwing. Hence my point, the tea parties are not a non-cohesive movement, it's a movement with one specific ideological agenda.


This continuation of labeling Tea Party people is getting rather old, however.


It's getting rather old to you huh? Then don't reply, simple.



posted on Sep, 13 2011 @ 03:27 AM
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Originally posted by Southern Guardian
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I'm not concerned about as to whom is part of your tea party group and what position you place him in. I'm my concerned as to who you choose to make decisions in Washington and what excuses you have behind choosing them.
Why should you care who I vote for? Do I make it my business to see who YOU vote for? Whom I choose will be best defined by me, whom I want in a leader.

Should I get to be a part of the decision process for you?



posted on Sep, 13 2011 @ 09:13 AM
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Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
So if Paul does not win the nomination, would you vote for Obama?


I can say that, barring any better DNC candidate coming forward, I will be voting for Obama if Dr. Paul does not win the nomination. I would rather have another four years exactly like Obama's first four than to have any of the other GOP candidates take the helm. They all scare the crap out of me. Again: If Obama promised to do no better in the next four years, he'd still be less frightening than those guys up there last night.
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posted on Sep, 13 2011 @ 09:20 AM
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Originally posted by neo96
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alright then paul just lost my support

people who i stay away from are the people who use the terminology of "manifesto" and "revoultion"

sorry people.

dangerous word choices that lead to only one place and thats a place far worse than where we are.
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Wow the word Manifesto turns you off, but they can DO just about anything and be fine!



posted on Sep, 13 2011 @ 09:40 AM
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Here Ron Paul (at 3:25) addresses the formulation of the original Tea Party which began during the Bush administration as opposed to the Republican co-opted hybird that we see today:



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posted on Sep, 13 2011 @ 11:30 AM
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I kinda knew that the Tea Party was being hijacked when Sarah Palin spoke at a Tea Party gathering. She's such a Repugnican Poster Girl that her presence meant, "...all your tea bags, tea bags, belong to us. You have no chance to survive, make your time..."

Having co-opted the Libertarian Party and movement, such take-overs are now routine for the Repugnicans.

I just wish I had as clever a name for the Democrats...no, nevermind, we're all Repugnicans now.



posted on Sep, 13 2011 @ 02:38 PM
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Originally posted by beezzer

Originally posted by Southern Guardian

Originally posted by beezzer
False assumptions. "They" are not. Now most Tea Party folks are for smaller government. How many democrats are for that? How many republicans?

Continuing to label "us" into one category or another will just cause you more frustration than anything else.


Not a false assumption at all. All I hear is talk about how tea partiers are none-cohesive, and all I see come out are rightwing republican politicians, most of whom fall right back into the establishment. If this movement is so individualist interms of beliefs, ideology, we'd see a diversity of candidates endorsed by the tea parties. The only differences I see in this movement is as to how far right one has to go.

Keep on talking Beezer, and keep on voting Republican as you do.

My "leader" of the Tea Party (nominally) is a guy named Steve. A stay-at-home dad. He does all the e-mails and get-togethers. Also makes a pretty awesome martini.

Right-wing pols want to belong, want our support. If a democrat comes to the fore espousing ideas that "we" agree with, then they'll get "our" support.

This continuation of labeling Tea Party people is getting rather old, however.


Your "Steve" doesn't make national decisions. "Steve" is a ridiculous term to make people feel empowered to do "less" in the government. How hypocritical is it of you to use the very institution that empowers the function of the government yet you expect less of it?

If tea partiers are TRULY serious about no government in their lives, they better secede from the Union and form their own Republic of America. I am serious. I dare tea partiers to do it instead of crying about it in town hall meetings. it has no impact and the government will ignore you, regardless of your choices. we should take power into our own hands instead of asking government to do it for us. People who we elect are not infallible and will be prone to corruption. EVERYONE of them. Best thing you and I can do is forming a new society somewhere in the wild and have no government interference, like Amish or other societies in America.c
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posted on Sep, 13 2011 @ 03:31 PM
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Originally posted by Southern Guardian

Originally posted by beezzer
False assumptions. "They" are not. Now most Tea Party folks are for smaller government. How many democrats are for that? How many republicans?

Continuing to label "us" into one category or another will just cause you more frustration than anything else.


Not a false assumption at all. All I hear is talk about how tea partiers are none-cohesive, and all I see come out are rightwing republican politicians, most of whom fall right back into the establishment. If this movement is so individualist interms of beliefs, ideology, we'd see a diversity of candidates endorsed by the tea parties. The only differences I see in this movement is as to how far right one has to go.

Keep on talking Beezer, and keep on voting Republican as you do.


Let me know when MoveOn produces anyone but Maxine Watters or Nancy Pelosi.



posted on Sep, 13 2011 @ 03:40 PM
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How hypocritical is it of you to use the very institution that empowers the function of the government yet you expect less of it?



No, sorry, it's the ONLY way to get something done in this country without violence or revolution, and to do it legally. Sooooo any other questions or remarks?



posted on Sep, 13 2011 @ 03:44 PM
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Originally posted by Cuervo

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
So if Paul does not win the nomination, would you vote for Obama?


I can say that, barring any better DNC candidate coming forward, I will be voting for Obama if Dr. Paul does not win the nomination. I would rather have another four years exactly like Obama's first four than to have any of the other GOP candidates take the helm. They all scare the crap out of me. Again: If Obama promised to do no better in the next four years, he'd still be less frightening than those guys up there last night.
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ummm ok, do you by any chance have a picture of Che Guevara in your bedroom?



posted on Sep, 13 2011 @ 03:50 PM
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Obviously rightwing republican politicians want your vote, because the tea parties are a fringe rightwing movement and one that they need. You're dead right in saying that most Democratic policies don't fit in with the tea party agenda



What it really is, is that the Democrat Party is the de-facto Communist Party party in the USA, and anyone who believes in free enterprise and true liberty will know that it now represents Totalitarianism. The Republican Party, less so, but fast losing it's original values, but gotta do what we gotta do.
I've had people ask me why I don't vote any Democrats, and the answer is quite simply that everything that comes out of the Democrat camp is opposed to everything I believe in. They are not helping the little guy in any real way, unless you think that balancing welfare to mothers with 6 children and Section 8 housing to illegals with the hidden tax of inflation causing the price of everything to go up for everybody when the FED prints up all the money the govt wants to pay for all that stuff is a good thing....
The Democrat Party sponsors corrupt Unions which further exasperates joblessness because the end result is more problems for business owners and a divide-and-concquer atmosphere continually between the bourgeoisie and the proletariat, to put it into Marxian terms for you. All you have to do is look at Trumpka bragging about how they were involved in the Egypt Revolution and watch him talking about a global financial tax to know what he is about and he is visiting the Wh regularly.
No, there is absolutely NOTHING in the Democrat Party or candidates I want. LIbertarian or Constitution Party, maybe.
All the Green Party stuff is just more communism.
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posted on Sep, 13 2011 @ 10:29 PM
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I don't care who Steve is, or how good of a Martini he fixes, ask him where he got the gin. The tea part movement is nothing more than an astroturf organization funded by the Koch brothers, if you believe it is anything else, you have lost your collective minds. You have a bunch of middle and upper class white folks protesting a black president, imagine that, in the greatest nation in world, according to y'all. Rush Limbaugh is your king, and he is nothing more than a drug abusing wind bag. Corporations are people too. People should die if they can't afford insurance, hear hear. I asked this question before, and it shut down a thread, do y'all hypocrit much?



posted on Sep, 13 2011 @ 10:56 PM
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Originally posted by BubbaJoe
I don't care who Steve is, or how good of a Martini he fixes, ask him where he got the gin. The tea part movement is nothing more than an astroturf organization funded by the Koch brothers, if you believe it is anything else, you have lost your collective minds. You have a bunch of middle and upper class white folks protesting a black president, imagine that, in the greatest nation in world, according to y'all. Rush Limbaugh is your king, and he is nothing more than a drug abusing wind bag. Corporations are people too. People should die if they can't afford insurance, hear hear. I asked this question before, and it shut down a thread, do y'all hypocrit much?

Um, Bombay Gin, I believe.
Astroturf, really? Pelosi much?
Who is white? Why do you have to keep bringing up race? Are you racist or something?
Haven't listened to Rush in over a year. What's he saying?
Why do you want people to die if they don't have insurance?
Who's a hypocrit? What's a hypocrit?

Bubba, might I suggest decaf?



posted on Sep, 13 2011 @ 11:30 PM
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and the democrats doing whatever they want makes no never mind to you

you know those people who control the governemnt and continues to add to their own power constantly

and demonze and vilfiy anyone who thinks "hey maybe a smaller goverment aint such bad idea" oh you know

those people whose heros are chez and mao devout communists whose credo is power comes from the barrel of a gun and who uses any means necessary to achieve their end goals.

thats where that tag line of the "ends justify the means" funny part to get back on topic are all those people are anti war just when theres an R by their name but seem to do far worse.
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posted on Sep, 14 2011 @ 01:35 AM
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Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus

Originally posted by Southern Guardian

Originally posted by beezzer
False assumptions. "They" are not. Now most Tea Party folks are for smaller government. How many democrats are for that? How many republicans?

Continuing to label "us" into one category or another will just cause you more frustration than anything else.


Not a false assumption at all. All I hear is talk about how tea partiers are none-cohesive, and all I see come out are rightwing republican politicians, most of whom fall right back into the establishment. If this movement is so individualist interms of beliefs, ideology, we'd see a diversity of candidates endorsed by the tea parties. The only differences I see in this movement is as to how far right one has to go.

Keep on talking Beezer, and keep on voting Republican as you do.


Let me know when MoveOn produces anyone but Maxine Watters or Nancy Pelosi.


MoveOn? I'm not apart of MoveON nore have I ever been.

Next.



posted on Sep, 14 2011 @ 01:44 AM
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Originally posted by Southern Guardian

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus

Originally posted by Southern Guardian

Originally posted by beezzer
False assumptions. "They" are not. Now most Tea Party folks are for smaller government. How many democrats are for that? How many republicans?

Continuing to label "us" into one category or another will just cause you more frustration than anything else.


Not a false assumption at all. All I hear is talk about how tea partiers are none-cohesive, and all I see come out are rightwing republican politicians, most of whom fall right back into the establishment. If this movement is so individualist interms of beliefs, ideology, we'd see a diversity of candidates endorsed by the tea parties. The only differences I see in this movement is as to how far right one has to go.

Keep on talking Beezer, and keep on voting Republican as you do.


Let me know when MoveOn produces anyone but Maxine Watters or Nancy Pelosi.


MoveOn? I'm not apart of MoveON nore have I ever been.

Next.


Maybe not, but MoveOn is Soros funded and gets people like Pelosi and Watters elected to office. Media Matters is also a Soros funded org that sends out emails raling against the Tea Party and conservatives in general. I posted somewhere an audio of Communist Party leaders talking about all the great programs the Democrat Party is sponsoring, like Obamacare and so on. It's clear that the Democrat Party platform is pushing Socialist programs which further the goals of the Communist Party.




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