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Aliens are not intergalactic they are demonic.

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posted on Sep, 13 2011 @ 07:53 AM
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I didn't say i don't believe everything in the bible , the bible does have truth in it but it is also mixed with more lies than truths to control humanity.You have to have at least some truth for the story to be believable.




posted on Sep, 13 2011 @ 07:54 AM
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You know I rarely visit this forum, but I have seen that this topic of aliens relating to demons is getting out of hand, It actually caught my attention, This topic doesn't belong in this forum, so I can pretty much say that this is an agenda, the problem is that when we come and post here we are feeding the trolls.

So I am done and gone now, hopefully the mods will do something about this.



posted on Sep, 13 2011 @ 07:58 AM
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Originally posted by RevelationGeneration
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According to most of the people in the UFO community and researchers, just look them up.

en.wikipedia.org...

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According to the your "sources" which I found over 50% of the data in need of a reference, Not ONCE does it mention the word demonic. IN EITHER ONE OF YOUR SOURCES. There is no indication that this was what they referred to when they said Non-human intelligence.

Just because he poses a hypothesis that these beings are inter-dimensional does not mean that they are demons. You're just clouded by your own narrow beliefs on this one.

Scientists now agree that there may be 10 dimensions? Tell me where has this been postulated other than in theoretical physics? How many scientists have CONCLUDED that this is true?

Since you are a firm believer in the ideals of these scientists, let me quote a Jacques Vallee description DIRECTLY out of wikipedia for you:

Vallée is often highly critical of UFO investigators overall, both believers and skeptics, asserting that what often passes for an acceptable level of investigation in a UFO context would be considered sloppy and seriously inadequate investigation in other fields.

This just barely scratches what reflects the laughable content you just posted. If you get paid for pushing the demon agenda, you're a joke and I'm surprised you get hired for your incompetence to write anything of merit. However since most people follow like sheep, I know in my heart that some will never read my post, but will instead focus on the first page or two, probably believing your silly youtube garbage and bible verses. smh.

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posted on Sep, 13 2011 @ 08:01 AM
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This is an old stuff really, dude. Specially among some members of protestant churches & sects & bizarre bible fundamentalists, and some catholics too (I don't know the opinion of islamic people, but I guess some angelic/djinn interpretation, similar to the christian ones. You have too, by other way, the vedic scriptures on vimanas and planets). UFOs are "signals in the sky" and potential apocalyptical signs, so their "tripulants" may be linked to some apocalyptical design about the End of Days and the fate of human souls. The UFO stuff is so vigorous, actualizing old mythologies... there's a lot of "contactee" and "channelled" stuff about the "Cosmic Christ's Plan", the "angelic mission" of the "cosmic big brothers" and the ominous designs of their counterparts, the evil "techno-devils" from outer space and other dimensions... Greys, reptilians, etc. The fate of Earth and human souls is in the middle of a Galactic-Cosmic-Metaphysical War, the literal War in Heavens... Whatever, it is recycled old stuff, my friend.
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posted on Sep, 13 2011 @ 08:17 AM
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so "aliens" are actually non-existing mental concepts coming from people who enjoy its effects on ignorant people. guess what? demons are a human invention.
so i can't go along with the statement



posted on Sep, 13 2011 @ 08:19 AM
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Originally posted by zarp3333
1. The abduction syndrome goes against any notion of free will and includes the forcible removal of persons from their homes, the forcible removal of genetic material and the forcible insertion of radio frequency producing devices.

Which is counter-argument to OP's 'theories', demons have to obey free-will-rule if we follow the christian canon
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2. Lack of direct disclosure to citizenry of earth in spite of thousands of sightings and very advanced tech. I assume the tech available to galactics would offer them the ability to use television, radio, etc to contact individuals in their own language and circumvent politicians who prove to not have citizens best interests at heart nor moral highground to represent us.


Hundreds of thousands sightings you mean
. Perhaps they won't interact with such an obsolote tech like radio or television. Perhaps they did contact people whom they perceive as rulers of the world. And those people realize what would happen in case people would find out there is technology that completely exclude oil or other energy resources.
Perhaps they think we are too immature to interact with other intelligent races habitating universe. This is theory I lean to mostly so I explain. We're not only race on earth being self-aware despite what most of humanity believes. Chimps can be taught sign-language and communicate with. Elephants are able to draw very distinctive image of themselves. Dolphins have unique names in their language, for every single one of them.
Yet we eat them, chop them for body parts, or experiment on with toxic substances. What a great example, huh.
But we can only speculate.



3. One of the largest groups advocating the "aliens are our friends" theory is the Galactic Federation of Light" who disseminate their information not through open traditional modes of two-way conversation but instead veiled "channeling" preventing the receiver from using all of their faculties of logic and discernment.

Aliens were embedded into our pop-culture after WWII, from the start as an aggresor. Wonder which movie first presented aliens as benevolent beings. 'Journey to the moon' would be my guess.



Furthermore, one of the most widely read sources, Salusa of Sirius,

Just another religious movements, with their evil ones, good ones and promise of better life after The Happening.



The problem with the entire debate is the lack of empirical evidence. Everything is rumor, innuendo and hearsay. Until they land and speak openly, everything is debatable.


Star for that my friend



posted on Sep, 13 2011 @ 08:22 AM
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Seriously???

How does inter-dimensional equate to demonic? Why would any "visitor" intergalactic or inter-dimensional have to be labeled by religion? It makes zero sense. You find some religious zealot to say aliens are demons then post a quote about not being deceived. I can't help but chuckle at that.

Your video "evidence" is no better than any other "evidence" that has come without any sort of measurable proof. More pseudo-scientific garbage.



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posted on Sep, 13 2011 @ 08:25 AM
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Originally posted by NeverSleepingEyes
reply to post by RevelationGeneration
 

so "aliens" are actually non-existing mental concepts coming from people who enjoy its effects on ignorant people. guess what? demons are a human invention.
so i can't go along with the statement


Not necessarily, but ALIENS are a modern container for a lot of deconstructed and recycled ancient concepts, I think. Take a look to the literature, you know.



posted on Sep, 13 2011 @ 08:27 AM
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It depends on what level, astral plane, or DIMENSION you find them (I think) whether they are evil or good.


In this link there is a great deal of information. www.himalayanacademy.com... And within this there is a CHART of the different bodily and astral states we can be in and are constantly in a process of moving through and raising up to...or lowering (The Inner and Outer Universe - described before Christianity and/or NASA!!) Other beings and people traveling between planes might be seen anywhere. I can't embed it, but within the link, to get the complete chart of SUBTLE and GROSS forms of life, click this:

Vedic-Agamic Cosmology;
The Inner and Outer Universe Chart
(Download PDF)

It is the eastern interpretation of religion and the world which preceded Christianity although Christ consciousness is the same and recognizable for its patience, generosity, tolerance and compassion.

There are levels of ascension which we can call dimensions. We visit fully when we die and also during life some have had out of body experiences and traveled. I think there are limitations as to where we can go. It is significant to remember like a seed carries all it needs with it, we already have access or posses the higher dimensions within us. It is a matter of "opening doors" as opposed to traveling anywhere.

www.himalayanacademy.com...


The first chart shows Hindu cosmology, (Vedic-Agamic Cosmology; The Inner and Outer Universe) correlating the various divisions and categories of manifestation, as well as the bodies, sheaths,chakras and states of consciousness of the soul.

It is organized with the highest consciousness, or subtlest level of manifestation, at the top, and the lowest, or grossest, at the bottom. In studying the chart, it is important to remember that each level includes within itself all the levels above it.

There are ascension levels above the Saharsrara "God" level which are in this strange looking dudes hat. There are 32 of them and I think this is the secret of Masonry but I don't really know any of it for sure. I don't even meditate so stuck here on this one dimensional, flat plane. lol


Chakras below the tailbone???
I had never heard of these regions but I do know people who live in them most of the time.

Seven Chakras Below the Muladhara

1. Atala Fear and lust. As awareness slips below the muladhara into fear, indecision stymies ambition and a licentious lifestyle dulls the pranic sheath. Meaning: "without bottom." Plane: Put.

2. Vitala Raging anger. Dark red-black streaks emblazen the aura when awareness enters this furnace of instinctive fire and then injures others. Meaning: "region of the lost." Plane: Avichi.

3. Sutala Retaliatory jealousy. Wanting what others have and preoccupation with what one is not gnaws at the mind, instilling ill-will. Meaning: "great lower region." Plane: Samhata.

4. Talatala Prolonged confusion. Perversions replace natural joys. Negative karmas compound and stiffen the flow of awareness. Reason warps. Meaning: "under the bottom level." Plane: Tamisra.

5. Rasatala Selfishness. An imprisoning veil of "me" and "mine" blinds the natural instinct to care for others. Every action is for personal gain. Meaning: "lower region of moisture." Plane: Rijisha.

6. Mahatala Consciencelessness. Blindness to higher impulses prevails. Guilt, compunction, even fear, are foreign. Criminality is life. Meaning: "greatest lower region." Plane: Kudmala.

7. Patala Malice and murder. A virtual hell of hate, hurting, killing for its own sake without remorse. Reason rarely reaches this region. Meaning: "lower region of wickedness." Plane: Kakola.



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posted on Sep, 13 2011 @ 08:29 AM
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Originally posted by RevelationGeneration
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Watch the video's i cannot possible type out everything in them. And you say demons are not real? What about the thousands of demonic possessions?


And where is your evidence for this? Hearsay, hyperbole, and hoakem. More unsubstantiated claims with ZERO evidence. . . .


Belief in a higher power... Fine. Belief in demons or aliens or both also fine. To haphazardly slap one label on to the other without any evidence... Ignorance. You want to live up to the ATS motto try not drawing conclusions without any evidence. You can say it's likely or you can say this is your belief but do not say it's a fact don't try to paint the wide wonderful weird universe and all it's quirks with your very wide religious brush.



posted on Sep, 13 2011 @ 08:31 AM
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Originally posted by Inerrancia

Originally posted by NeverSleepingEyes
reply to post by RevelationGeneration
 

so "aliens" are actually non-existing mental concepts coming from people who enjoy its effects on ignorant people. guess what? demons are a human invention.
so i can't go along with the statement


Not necessarily, but ALIENS are a modern container for a lot of deconstructed and recycled ancient concepts, I think. Take a look to the literature, you know.


if you put it this way, of course I totally agree... as cultural memes they do indeed seem to be part of the same "container".
However, the OP used another approach, assuming the existence of demons as real phenomena, not just parts of a discourse.
the deconstruction exercise is a very interesting one as (to name only one reason out of many) usually it clearly contains references to other phenomena in our human existence that are strong indicators of the human origin of the construct. Take for example to assumed (I didn't research it so i have no statistics) link between the shape of an UFO and the dominant design models in any era's automotive industry. Unless of course these nasty demons acting like aliens simply want to put us at ease by adapting to our temporary taste.



posted on Sep, 13 2011 @ 08:41 AM
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Originally posted by NeverSleepingEyes

Originally posted by Inerrancia

Originally posted by NeverSleepingEyes
reply to post by RevelationGeneration
 

so "aliens" are actually non-existing mental concepts coming from people who enjoy its effects on ignorant people. guess what? demons are a human invention.
so i can't go along with the statement


Not necessarily, but ALIENS are a modern container for a lot of deconstructed and recycled ancient concepts, I think. Take a look to the literature, you know.


if you put it this way, of course I totally agree... as cultural memes they do indeed seem to be part of the same "container".
However, the OP used another approach, assuming the existence of demons as real phenomena, not just parts of a discourse.
the deconstruction exercise is a very interesting one as (to name only one reason out of many) usually it clearly contains references to other phenomena in our human existence that are strong indicators of the human origin of the construct. Take for example to assumed (I didn't research it so i have no statistics) link between the shape of an UFO and the dominant design models in any era's automotive industry. Unless of course these nasty demons acting like aliens simply want to put us at ease by adapting to our temporary taste.


May be an addecuate exegesis is needed for the right understanding of the term "demon". In the OT "Satan" is one of the Servers and Sons of God, and Job's Book is really mindblowing. In the NT "Satan" is the "hidden" King of the World, and the "demons" are some manifested "legion" infiltrated in the body of sick people... Demon is the greek "daimon", "spirit", and in the judeo-christian development was the synonym of "devil" or "evil spirit". The "demons" or "spirits" were crowing the airs and spheres...



posted on Sep, 13 2011 @ 08:53 AM
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RevelationGeneration, 1 understands your compassions for the LAMB as 1 possess as well. But to call all energies within this lil universe demonic is kind of not fair. There are good humans and very demonic humans who exist. Some of these demonic humans got their hands on many of the great books and modified them to manipulate the masses. Some of the data you share from the great book -the Bible- comes from more ancient background influences. You must research as best as we are allowed to to realize this.

data break-------Abrahamic religions-------

Abrahamic religions are the monotheistic faiths emphasizing and tracing their common origin to Abraham[1] or recognizing a spiritual tradition identified with him.[2][3][4] They are one of the three major divisions in comparative religion, along with Indian religions (Dharmic) and East Asian religions (Taoic).

The three major Abrahamic religions are, in chronological order of founding, Judaism, Christianity, and Islam. Judaism regards itself as the religion of the descendants of Jacob,[n 1] a grandson of Abraham.

These religions if you research as best you can are influenced in the ancient text by LORD ENLIL (ANNUNAKI) TO ADD. I say this because of the influence Lord Enlil had on Abram or Abraham influenced these modern religions.

Research Lord Enlil and Abraham influence:

Abraham and his descendants served Enlil, and followed his precepts. The Egyptians, on the other hand, were Enki’s protégés, and based on food management practices during the devastating droughts around the time of Jacob and Joseph, were doing a lot better than Enlil’s followers.

From a Biblical perspective, it was Enki who (with the critical assistance of his half-sister, Ninki, aka Nin-khursag) created Adam and Eve. It was Enlil, on the other hand, who created “Edin”. Enki was the serpent in the garden, who urged Adam and Eve to eat of the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil (which was infinitely beneficial to their spiritual growth). It was Enlil, who drove them out of Edin, while Enki was there to clothe them.

www.halexandria.org...

This is some of the data that is from ancient Sumer / Sumerians eldest know written language to man of today. their information predates the great books and some of the information basically influenced parts of the many great books. the Bible story 1 Genesis has information gathered from Ancient Sumer. You may say HOW??? Well there was a time an emperor who ruled a elder empire, ROMAN to be exact the empire that TRIED TO KILL THE CHRISTED 1 in his 3 dimensional FLESH. This Ruler Constantine the Great, Switched this empire to eventually WORSHIP THE CHRISTED 1. IRONIC!!! Anyway when this ruler came into the picture he sent his influences to GATHER AS MUCH DATA ON RELIGIONS SURROUNDING THE roman EMPIRE. WHEN THIS OCCURRED ancient Sumer TEXT WAS OBTAINED AMONGST MANY OTHER RELIGIOUS INFLUENCES. This is how the great book was designed eventually from a MIX of religious data and formulated into 1 book that could TEACH or otherwise INFLUENCE the masses --YOU-- This is where the Ancient influence of SUMER made it into the Bible--GENESIS the first book. Now you can see the information in reference to ANNUNAKI and how they potentially played a major part in humanities genetic enhancement. with that 1 HOPES YOU CAN SEE THEY ARE NOT ALL EVOL. The data you support is influenced by those you are overall calling demonic. ITS NOT FAIR TO YOU THEM OR SOME WHO SEEK INFO READING YOUR THREAD. YOU MUST BE MORE COMPASSIONATE WITH THEIR MINDS AND WILLS.

INFO BELOW ON Constantine the Great:

During the reign of the Emperor Constantine the Great, Christianity became the dominant religion of the Roman Empire. Constantine, also known as Constantine I, had a significant religious experience following his victory at the Battle of Milvian Bridge in 312.[1] Historians remain uncertain about Constantine's reasons for favoring Christianity, and theologians and historians have argued about which form of Christianity he converted to, a question that bears on the legitimation of religious persecution. He is revered as a saint in the Eastern Orthodox Church and Oriental Orthodox Church for his example as a "Christian monarch."
Though Constantine had been exposed to Christianity by his mother, Helena, there is no consensus among scholars as to whether he adopted his mother's Christianity in his youth, or gradually over the course of his life.[2] Whatever the case, Constantine's endorsement of the tradition was a turning point for Early Christianity. In 313, Constantine issued the Edict of Milan legalizing Christian worship. The emperor became a great patron of the Church, and set a precedent for the position of the Christian Emperor within the Church and the notion of orthodoxy, Christendom, and ecumenical councils that would be followed for centuries as the State church of the Roman Empire.



en.wikipedia.org...

So far I shared some info related to Ancient SUMER modern day IRAQ go figure, smh the Sumerians and Annunaki and Genesis. Its up to you to see the LIGHT or ignore it. I again do thank you for doing your best to support the herd spiritually and religiously but it is somewhat hateful to do this and deny what is clearly present. with that 1 hopes the best for you in this 3 dimensional plane as well as other planes of existence we are all trying to help the HERD brethren. So please be careful with what you share.

Yes demons and Angels exist. But you cannot call All universal energies except for who you think are not to be, Demons. Imagine how you may be offending and harming potential Soul and 3d supports.

Good luck in your SPIRITUAL development my friend

NAMASTE

LOVE LIGHT ETERNIA*******



posted on Sep, 13 2011 @ 08:58 AM
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As I see it neither of them have had experiences so they don't know squat. I am sick of the theories on this subject.

Plain and simple UFO's..... the ships and Alien's..... Extraterrestrial's which are just as much Terrestrial are here and they are not Demons ......if you consider them Demons then you must consider yourself Demon for all life is connected.

Wake up people



posted on Sep, 13 2011 @ 09:00 AM
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19 pages comes down to this.

Neither demons or non-Earth based lifeforms have been proven, so at this point it's all fan-fiction.

Get it?

You're debating whether Han Solo is really Harry Potter's father.

Move on.



posted on Sep, 13 2011 @ 09:05 AM
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SIGH
I think my signature about says it all......



posted on Sep, 13 2011 @ 09:22 AM
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Aliens....beings from other planets...are not demons. They are a part of this wonderful universe.







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posted on Sep, 13 2011 @ 09:23 AM
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Originally posted by WickettheRabbit

... so at this point it's all fan-fiction...

...You're debating whether Han Solo is really Harry Potter's father...



LOL! Very good... Really, it is so... We have not here another "Sleeper" for illuminate us with his "testimony" and "revelations"...
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posted on Sep, 13 2011 @ 09:30 AM
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There is only ONE reason this claim is being made and you need to see between the lines to know it.

U.F.O. requires belief and religion requires belief. Religion is dwinteling in its members. It is easier to convince someone willing to believe into swaying that belief into a simular but slightly different direction than trying to converge someone that belives in a different deity or doesn't believe at all. Simply put, you should treat someone who says aliens are deamons as a missionary. Personally I don't bite. The two are not the same. Aliens have a plauible chance to exist since there are other worlds out there as a proven fact. hell is not proven so there is no plausable reason that deamons exist.

A claim that deamons are aliens in reality is plausible. A claim that aliens are deamons in reality is not. period.
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