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DutchSinse, self proclaimed HAARP RING prophet proven a fraud...?!

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posted on Sep, 12 2011 @ 11:54 AM
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Well, YT user PatrioticUnderGround, formerly known as PatrioticSpace has released the goodies on Dutchsinse, and his partner in crime, bunker builder Scott Bales. After watching the video, I was able to make some distinct connections in which Mike pointed out. It all makes perfect sense. Scott, and dutch have devised a scheme in which Dutch "reports" natural disasters, and Scott profits from Dutch's so-called "reports"! In fact, Scott has backed dutch financially throughout this entire time. From paying for Dutch's fraudulent "radiation reading" road trip, to building, and hosting Dutch's dot com from back in Feb., long before Dutch was well known on YT!
I have watched DutchSinse from the beginning, so I know his tactics resemble the infamous "Problem, Reaction, Solution" techniques we're all so familiar with. For example, after PS released the video about Dutch, he remained silent for an entire day, then the next video release was about someone reporting him on the DHS website. This is a diversion tactic, one of which DutchSinse is well known for.
I highly recommend you watch Mikes first two videos explaining the situation on YouTube at his channel:
youtube.com...
But MORE IMPORTANTLY, WATCH Mike put the spotlight on Dutch's fraudulent activities here: www.wat.tv...
After seeing this, it's easy to see what's really going on with Dutch, and where his agenda lies... $$$$




posted on Sep, 12 2011 @ 12:06 PM
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Gentlemen.....We have a motive!


It seems that Dutch did have the inside on a conspiracy after all.

Cue next doomsday scenario.


S&F



posted on Sep, 12 2011 @ 12:16 PM
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He was interviewed by the Camelot-People,
imo. a safe Sign that something is not Kosher



posted on Sep, 12 2011 @ 12:20 PM
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reply to post by TegReturns
 


What is sad that people who claim to be "free thinkers" and call other people "sheeple" are so easily led by someone who is completly full of it.

HAARP RINGS



It's makes me sad that anyone ever thought this guy had credible information.



posted on Sep, 12 2011 @ 12:44 PM
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Mat 10:16 Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.

Dutch haven't to hide, if He know the Scripture there is a much Saviour place than a bunker. They are all lies!!!

edit on 12/9/11 by OldHag because: (no reason given)



posted on Sep, 13 2011 @ 10:10 PM
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you mean to tell me people went out and bought underground bunkers because of his videos?? Wow... If true, then wow... Maybe I should make some videos of my own. I had NO idea people were that gullible.



posted on Sep, 13 2011 @ 10:17 PM
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I dont see how this constitutes "fraud" at all.

and the supporter helping road trip and/or finance? how is that fraud either? Is he crying he's been victimized? Nope he just helped finance a whistleblower's projects.

Why is someone or some persons determined to discredit Dutchinsense not for some theories but just everything he's every said, done, as well as his person??



posted on Sep, 18 2011 @ 07:58 PM
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TegReturns....YOU ARE PATRIOTICSPACE. Just look at your old posts.

Why the charades? Isn't coming on and going all "third-person" fraud? Yes, it is. Heck, you have done this before, using this same name, as User 1990teg4dr. You stated then you had to change names because your computer fried, you couldn't access your old account blah, blah, blah.
I suggest before crying foul on someone else, you start acting honestly to begin with.
Did you really think no one would notice? Sorry, but you can't really rewrite history here.

So, please reconsider calling this thread: DutchSinse and TegReturns proven a fraud. It's the truth.



posted on Sep, 18 2011 @ 08:53 PM
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reply to post by stars15k
 

Has anyone ever told you that you're an incredibly paranoid delusional idiot?



posted on Sep, 18 2011 @ 09:30 PM
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Do you realize how rediculous this sounds. Someone bankrolled a trip etc. WOW how much was that? Its not like he took a round the world adventure. Everybody is in things for money nothing is free. I get tired of hearing about how terrible people are because they have advertising or sell something. Only the Banksters and MSM along with multinational Corporations get bail outs with tax payers money everyone else is on their own. Welcome to the real world where everything has its cost.



posted on Sep, 18 2011 @ 10:12 PM
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What he doesn't tell you about himself, or whoever he is going to pretend he is, is that before becoming "PatrioticUnderGround" his own channel had a donation request. Yep, he was asking for and accepting donations actively. So he's not some crusader, he's someone butthurt that a (former) cohort found someone with an open checkbook. What's the big deal with someone else doing it? Money is only good if it comes from individuals? Not in this day and age.
A company who produces a product used by people who believe all the conspiracy theories of the world as we know it coming to a violent end soon finds someone who reports how that kind of end just might be starting to happen. His buyers are Dutch's audience. In any business, that is the people you sponsor. That's good business sense, and the Bunker builders are a business.
Hardly fraud. Not even selling out. Just getting more $$$ than a donation request on your YouTube profile.



posted on Sep, 18 2011 @ 10:21 PM
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Originally posted by TegReturns
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Has anyone ever told you that you're an incredibly paranoid delusional idiot?

So I am wrong? You have taken over someone else's account? Did he give you permission? If not, that's still fraud.
It's not paranoid, delusional, or idiotic, it's the truth. Here's your first post under this name:
TegReturns is the OP 1990teg4dr

Just look back at the posts previous as 1990teg4dr. You are 1990teg4dr, who became FightForYourRights1 at YouTube, before becoming PatrioticSpace, and have changed to PatrioticUnderGround about 2 weeks ago. Without a donation request.
If I'm wrong, I'll apologize and admit my error.



posted on Sep, 18 2011 @ 10:35 PM
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You honestly think bunker sales went through the roof because of youtube? Have you bothered to read the comments of people on his channel/blog? Or here for that matter. And you still think the uneducated people typing those incoherent ramblings can afford to have underground bunkers built on a whim? Because they heard something on youtube? Wow. It wouldn't surprise me if the above poster was right but forgot to mention one other alias; THERAJA2773.



posted on Sep, 18 2011 @ 10:43 PM
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This does seem like something PatrioticSpace would do... after all, he did record telephone calls with Dutch and post them on Youtube, without Dutch knowing. He became very jealous of Dutch not giving him "shout-outs" and such. Dutch is a guy with flaws, but he is trying to help people.

For whatever it's worth, when that bunker show described Dutch as a "2012er" he came out and said that he actually doesn't believe in most of those conspiracies.
edit on 18-9-2011 by ThePawnsTheory because: (no reason given)



posted on Sep, 18 2011 @ 10:55 PM
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Last I heard if people are dumb enough to donate money thats their business. If donations were not a lucrative business every religious leader would be looking for a real job. I don't hear you having a holier that thou tirade about them. How about all the tax exempt charities that rip people off all the time. I am sure he didn't get anything near what one of these fraudsters con out of people. When someone is so determined to demonize someone the first thing I ask is do you have a dog in the fight? If not ?



posted on Sep, 18 2011 @ 10:59 PM
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I watched Dutch for a little while until he said that the sun went black...lol

I also caught him with a lot of personal flip flopping. His beliefs changed and he used advanced marketing techniques to gain your attention. very deceptive practices.



posted on Sep, 18 2011 @ 11:17 PM
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I totally agree! If someone would pay me for doing anything on the web, I would take it.
The point I am making is that there is no fraud, it was a business decision. If PUG doesn't like it, then he should examine his own behavior first. He accepted donations, and now calls out someone else doing likewise as a "fraud"? That's double-dealing, holier-than-thou on his part.
I think the people that fall for it all and send in the money are sad. They deserve to be taken. Just like those who give to TV preachers, and any other person or business who asks for donations instead of working honestly at a real job.
But he needs to be realistic and honest about the donations he asked for before slamming someone else.



posted on Sep, 18 2011 @ 11:19 PM
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Personally I don't watch him much aat all. However I have never heard people get so up in the air about a person who may or may not be on the up and up. I don't know and neither do they actually. I don't hear all this about people who actually matter and are making millions or destroying countries or killing millions of people. This is so trivial its unbelievable. If they actually cared about truthful information my suggestion is do something constructive instead of petty topics.



posted on Sep, 19 2011 @ 12:08 AM
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I stopped paying attention to this guy after about 10 seconds into one of his videos when he referred to a low pressure system as a "harp ring". What a joke.

This doesn't mean I don't believe in conspiracies, as I am obviously here, but if you are going to believe in the impossible or unlikely, rule out the normal first. Aka, if you want to believe HAARP is being used for weather mods, try to understand some of the basics of how it works first (weather and HAARP).



posted on Mar, 21 2012 @ 08:50 AM
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New vid on Mexico 7.9....what does ATS think


to lazy to start a thread so i searched his name and just bumped this one
edit on 21-3-2012 by The Great Day because: (no reason given)




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