Enough with the dishonest behaviour Truthers - I'm calling you out.

reply to post by spoor


One of many stories, that one was the Washington post, and it ties the warnings to Israel, which is critically important to understanding and identifying the guilty party, unless you really just don't want to know or already know and want to cover that fact up (like you!). it also states that at the time they didn't know how many people the message had been relayed to but that it had,and NYPD was quoted as saying this, on live media available on YouTube . NYPD confirmed that many WTC workers were warned by instant message not to show up for work. In other words , the evidence of this is multifaceted and many witnesses to it exist, and it is quite useless to deny jews were warned prior to the attacks, because you and I both know they were and the evidence of it is compelling and damning.

Originally posted by InterdimensionalWarrior
NYPD was quoted as saying this,

So show us the NYPD video then - but you are unable to!

NYPD confirmed that many WTC workers were warned by instant message not to show up for work

So again, show us the NYPD stating that - but again you are unable to.

the evidence of it is compelling and damning.

yet you are unable to show any actual evidence.... again!

Originally posted by spoor

Originally posted by InterdimensionalWarrior
NYPD was quoted as saying this,

So show us the NYPD video then - but you are unable to!

NYPD confirmed that many WTC workers were warned by instant message not to show up for work

So again, show us the NYPD stating that - but again you are unable to.

the evidence of it is compelling and damning.

yet you are unable to show any actual evidence.... again!

edit on 13-9-2011 by spoor because: (no reason given)

In other words, unless you get the instant message yourself and decide to tell us about it, it does not exist. The fact that these messages were transmitted from Israel and received by hundreds of jews is not in question by any valid researcher,.

Hey captain obvious, weren't you the one getting owned on Tupacs thread about the same topics?

so i assume this is your retaliatory response?

Please refer to his thread, absorb all the facts and the places where he got them from, your first post doesn't even have links to back up your outlandish statements, just a few pics and copy/pasted lines of text.

If you were trying to convert "Truthers", you went about it completely the wrong way.

Anyone keen to check out a well formulated argument on why the 9/11 official story is complete bs, i suggest you check out Tupacs thread and star and flag him instead of this one.

OBVIOUSLY planes were flown into the WTC and obviously a plane was hijacked and flown into the pentagon... what I believe most people who are attempting to blame our government for is whether or not they were behind it. I believe there is substantial evidence to support the fact that something was going on and had been going on before during and after these attacks to warrant what people are saying, yet noone has been brought before any type of court or charged with any type of crimes against Americans who died that day, ESPECIALLY considering in this time of "innocent until proven guilty" ha ha.. whatever.. we all know once an American is suspected of a crime they are arrested thrown in jail and will sit there until hopefully if they are innocent they can somehow prove it. God help those that are incarcerated by the Feds, because they are practiced in the art of secrecy and suppresing the truth. THAT my friend is why the new legislation and laws brought on by this attack are so scary, you might feel differently if you were one of those who had been labeled a "domestic terrorist" since Sept 11, 2001.

reply to post by shell69


Not exactly as obvious as you might think. There isnt just one conspiracy theory that people hold onto. Some 'truthers' believe that planes were hijacked and the Government stood down. Others believe that the Government was behind the entire plan. Some believe that project blue beam was behind it and that the planes never existed. Others believe a missile hit the pentagon or that those planes were remotely controlled. 911 isnt a one size fits all thing. Its asking the question what COULD have happend and is there any proof of the suggested theory? Our founding fathers taught us 2 things. 1 is always question everything told to you and 2 never trust your Government. So one theory may be wrong and another may be closer to the truth. A theory being wrong is not a defeat though because in the end people are searching for truth no matter what it may be.

On a more off topic note I would have to agree with you about the fact that people in this country are no longer innocent until proven guilty. If that were the case people wouldnt be sitting in jail waiting for a court date to prove themselves innocent. It is not your job to prove yourself innocent it is the state's job to prove you guilty. Holding you in prison and stripping you of your freedom without even proving you guilty of a crime is guilty until proven innocent. Regardless of even that it is now possible to the US Government to arrest anyone for any reason and label them a terrorist which they can be held forever without ever seeing a judge. If this isnt evidence enough of our country falling into a tyranny I dont know what is.

reply to post by e11888
This is so true and I certainly agree.. my boyfriend is constantly looking at me with disbelief when I give him my "updates" on what I've found daily on all the new websites I've been turned on to since finding this one. I find myself ending almost every conversation with the words "who knows though", because I don't doubt there is a million different things going on behind the scenes in our government and federal agencies in this country, but constantly find myself not doubting there is definitely something going on, rather not really sure exactly what it is exactly. The truth is so hard to come by anymore.

ok lets see something on prosecuting the criminals....

after JFK mysterious deaths occur...

here is a partial list

Date Name Connection with case Cause of death
11/63 Karyn Kupicinet Tv host's daughter who was overheard telling of JFK's death prior to 11/22/63 Murdered
12/63 Jack Zangretti Expressed foreknowledge of Ruby shooting Oswald Gunshot Victim
2/64 Eddy Benavides Lookalike brother to Tippit shooting witness, Domingo Benavides Gunshot to head
2/64 Betty MacDonald* Former Ruby employee who alibied Warren Reynolds shooting suspect. Suicide byhanging in Dallas Jail
3/64 Bill Chesher Thought to have information linking Oswald and Ruby Heart attack
3/64 Hank Killam* Husband of Ruby employee, knew Oswald acquaintance Throat cut
4/64 Bill Hunter* Reporter who was in Ruby's apartment on 11/24/63 Accidental shooting by policeman
5/64 Gary Underhill* CIA agent who claimed Agency was involved Gunshot in head ruled suicide
5/64 Hugh Ward* Private investigator working with Guy Banister and David Ferrie Plane crash in Mexico
5/64 DeLesseps Morrison* New Orleans Mayor Passenger in Ward's plane
8/64 Teresa Norton* Ruby employee Fatally shot
6/64 Guy Banister* x-FBI agent in New Orleans connected to Ferrie, CIA, Carlos Marcello & Oswald Heart attack
9/64 Jim Koethe* Reporter who was in Ruby's apartment on 11/24/63 Blow to neck
9/64 C.D. Jackson "Life" magazine senior Vicepresident who bought Zapruderfilm and locked it away Unknown
10/64 Mary Pinchot JFK "special" friend whose diary was taken by CIA chief James Angleton after her death Murdered
1/65 Paul Mandal "Life" writer who told of JFK turning to rear when shot in throat Cancer
3/65 Tom Howard* Ruby's first lawyer, was in Ruby's apartment on 11/24/63 Heart attack
5/65 Maurice Gatlin* Pilot for Guy Banister Fatal fall
8/65 Mona B. Saenz* Texas Employment clerk who interviewed Oswald Hit by Dallas bus
?/65 David Goldstein Dallasite who helped FBI trace Oswald's pistol Natural causes
9/65 Rose Cheramie* Knew of assassination in advance, told of riding to Dallas with Cubans Hit/run victim
11/65 Dorothy Kilgallen* Columnist who had private interview with Ruby, pledged to "break" JFK case Drug overdose

full list

now lets look at 911


LIST SO FAR

Barry Jennings (Eyewitness to explosions and bodies inside WTC7) -- Undisclosed causes

Kenneth Johannemann (Eyewitness to explosions inside WTC, Saw no airplanes hit but just saw "floors blow up") -- Gunshot to the head, ruled a suicide

Beverly Eckert (Wife of 9/11 WTC Victim, Earwitness to WTC Explosion, Refused hush money) -- Airplane crash

Prasanna Kalahasthi (Wife of 9/11 "Flight 11 Passenger") -- Suicide by hanging

David Graham (Dentist who saw three of the 9/11 Hijackers with Pakistani businessman in Shreveport, Louisiana) -- Murdered (Poisoned with anti-freeze)

Paul Smith (Pilot of WABC7's 9/11 "International Shot" Chopper) -- Car accident

Michael H. Doran (9/11 Victims Lawyer) -- Airplane crash

Bertha Champagne (Longtime babysitter for 911 Perp Marvin Bush's family) -- Crushed by a car

Christopher Landis (Former Operations Manager for Safety Service Patrol for the Virginia Department of Transportation, Interviewed by makers of "The Pentacon", Gave makers of "The Pentacon" a photo collection, Involved in the response to the Pentagon attack) -- Suicide

John P. O'Neill (FBI Counter-terrorism expert, Obsessed with catching Osama Bin Laden, Suspected Clinton/Bush/FBI complicity in the cover-up and protection of Bin Laden) -- Died in the WTC on 9/11

Deborah Palfrey (Ran an escort service that had 911 Perps on it's list) -- Suicide by hanging

David Wherley (US General who ordered fighter jets to scramble on 9/11) -- Train crash

Un-named Ticket Agent (Boston Logan Ticket Agent who checked Atta and Alomari) -- Suicide

Suzanne Jovin (Yale Student who had a thesis about Osama Bin Laden, Her thesis adviser was an intelligence operative) -- Murdered (Killer unknown)

Perry Kucinich (Brother of Congressman who advocated new 9/11 investigation) -- Fell down

Salvatore Princiotta (9/11 FDNY Firefighter from Ladder 9) -- Murdered

Ezra Harel (Chairman of the Israeli Company That Handled Security For All 9/11 Airports) -- Heart attack

Bruce Ivins (Patsy in the 9/11-linked "Anthrax" Case) -- Drug overdose

the list continues to grow





but you know what is the best kind of witness.....a dead witness.

As i see it...these are powerful people....and it is not just the US government...so don't get all warm and fuzzy about the government.....you think that you elect your government...but do you ....or do you just elect a figurehead and the real government are the ones who always stay there....think about it carefully in order to understand.

reply to post by captainnotsoobvious


Ok, first, here's your explosion audible and undeniable skip to 0:20 and replay till you hear it if you want



This is an orange.
Observe.


and for my "piece de resistance"
Larry Silverstein, leaseholder and owner of the world trade center complex speaks about bringing down building 7.




Truthers win.
captainnotsoobvious. notsosmart.

Originally posted by Maslo
Yes, I believe it is.

how come?

Originally posted by Maslo
Do we have good evidence that it happened?

did you see tv footage at all or are you blowing bubbles with your buttcheeks?

reply to post by jamieastronaut


A few explosions isn't how a demo works... go educate yourself... demos require dozens, hundreds, of timed, visible and audible explosions...

So yeah, this is EXACTLY the kind of Truther BS I'm referring to..

Either you actually have neevr seen a real demo or you're just talking #.I'll assume ignorance.

reply to post by Edgecrusher26


If you mean aren't I repeatedly pointing out that Truthers do nothing more than recycle the same old debunked lies, then yes, getting owned.

[rolls eyes]

There's SOOOO much factually wrong information in these two threads... you guuys REALLY need to get your act together.

reply to post by captainnotsoobvious


Did you not see the owner of the wtc admitting on tape that they demolished building 7?
You're quite intriguing... ill give you that. What are you doing on a conspiracy website if you actually believe what you're saying.
Bizarre would be an understatement.

If you have anything else to say, make sure you save a couple sentences for a reply to the Larry Silverstein video. Then we can move on.

Originally posted by captainnotsoobvious
There's SOOOO much factually wrong information in these two threads... you guuys REALLY need to get your act together.

Of course, 'mr. explosive thermite', u got everything right. NOT. You can't even answer counter-arguments, you intentionally ommit posts that are either uncomfortable for you, or simply prove that you're a dilletant without any actual knowledge.

I'm pretty stunned this thread bloated to 25 pages and over 40 flags, geeez people.

So, for you just to have something to ignore, does thermite explode?

reply to post by jamieastronaut


so your saying one of the conspirators of 9/11 would go on tv and admit the inside job to everyone? and that he was somehow in charge of the controlled demolition timing/execution?

reply to post by yeti101


What's wrong with you people asking me these ridiculous questions??
Scroll up and watch the video... damn.

reply to post by jamieastronaut


some of us work and in some of these work places sites like youtube are blocked.

reply to post by yeti101


Wow, a cheap shot signifying that I don't work... why am i not surprised. you can do/watch what you please when you run your own business....

Here's the transcript, i made just for you... because i don't work....

"I remember getting a call from the fire department commander, telling me that they were not sure that they were going to be able to contain the fire. i said you know well we've had such a terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is Pull. They made that decision to pull, and then we watched the building collapse"
-Larry Silverstein (Leaseholder and owner of wtc complex)

Pwned.