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Originally posted by MrXYZ
Originally posted by allintoaccount
Originally posted by MrXYZ
Originally posted by allintoaccount
Originally posted by conspiracy nut
reply to post by Bleak
so u would rather have all the cultures and peoples living seperately on their own individual countries, only exposed to their own cultures? would your country be the supreme culture and race? so you're basically saying people should just stick to their own kind? if we did that we would all just be a bunch of inbreds! LMAO!!!!
I doubt it, multiculturism is actually putting a break on evolution.
Actually, multiculturalism ensures our genes are mixed MORE...so it's most certainly not putting a break on evolution
I think you should study evolution. evolution happens when a particular branch separates from the main tree by isolation. Multi culturism is just mixing back up the main genes from the main tree. So you are wrong I'm affraid like your views on multiculturism.
I think you should read up on evolution, because if the above is your opinion, you're wrong. Isolation can produce new species, but isolation isn't required or even preferred. Hell, homo sapiens mixed with Neanderthals, horses had dirty sex with donkeys and produced mules...again, isolation isn't a requirement of evolution.
Also, I don't wanna derail this thread, but if you seriously wanna discuss evolution, join the creationism forum. You'll realize that it's pretty much the forum I'm most active in...mostly because evolution is a field I feel comfortable talking about.
Originally posted by phishyblankwaters
reply to post by juleol
While the rest of your post clearly shows you didn't even read the OPs posts, let alone the entire thread, you did make a correct statement here:
The problem in my opinion is immigration politics and lack of integration.
Exactly, now how do we fix that? Segregation? Racism?
Or....
Do we actually force the government and society to treat those people as equals so they can enjoy the same standard of living the rest of us do?
Crime statistics show it all. Income level + education dictates crime rates. It has nothing to do with race or religion, it has everything to do with the environment around them.
Toss a bunch of "whites" into that same ghetto, with the same limited opportunities, and you get the same damn crime rate. But it's much more beneficial to blame it on their race and lock them up, as that creates jobs for WHITE people.edit on 12-9-2011 by phishyblankwaters because: (no reason given)
no such thing as a poverty trap? Wake up! Study social mobility in the u.k. And then you will see there isn't any, the system is set up to keep people down, 2 people earning the minimum wage would have to work 70 hours each just to reach the poverty line,. I don't know any family not receiving benefits even though they work.
Originally posted by dolphinfan
reply to post by allintoaccount
There is no such thing as a "proverty trap" it is an excuse. Its an excuse in the council estates, its an excuse in the barrio and its an excuse in the ghetto.
Get your ass out of bed, get an education, go do miserable work get paid and push your kids to do better than you have done. Is it going to happen overnight? No it does not happen over night anywhere. It takes a couple of generations for it to happen.
It is the same failed argument that inner city people use to disparage the Koreans who pool their money, open small businesses, work 18 hours a day and send their kids to top schools. The folks in the project could have done that, hell the government wants them to do that and will give them loans to do it.
They don't want to do that because its too hard.
Nobody forced someone in a council house to trash their place or join a gang. Nobody forced them to never look for work. I've been to visit family in a council estate in Birmingham, England and I had a great time. We were at the pub all day, drinking pints, playing darts and generally doing what guys do when they are in their 20s. Problem is that these gents are in their late 30s and 40s. They are quite happy hanging out, drinking doing nothing. Can they see a way out? Of course they do, but it would mean getting a job and they are honest enough to tell you straight up that they are not about to do that.
Back to the point on multi-culturalism. My cousins in Birmingham have absolutely nothing in common with a working white person other than their race. They are idle, anti-social drunks. They know it. Getting out of bed and going to work is foreign to them. They have never done it, don't ever plan to do it and have accepted that as their deal. Does it have to be their deal? No and they readily admit it. They also know folks who got out, hence its possible.
Translate that to a Buddist who came to the US out of the killing fields of Cambodia, not speaking English, with nothing where in two generations their kids are going to college and becomming doctors, scientists, engineers. What does he have in common with the traditional "Protestant work ethic"? Everything. Its what they do, its who they are and it defines their values and goals. Those values shared, coupled with cultural and ethnic differences are what made the US a great society. It is the acceptance of the rejection of those values that is degrading the society.
The black gent sitting on a doorstoop in a US ghetto drinking malt liquor has much in common with the white gent living in a council house. The irony is that they likely both have negative feelings about the other and consider them different.
Both have little in common with the person who gets up and goes to work each day, be that person a small business owner, trade union worker or a hedge fund manager.
Originally posted by MrXYZ
reply to post by allintoaccount
The FACT remains, isolation isn't a prerequisite for evolution
In fact, most of the time such an isolation simply didn't happen...apart on some islands like New Zealand.
Originally posted by MrXYZ
reply to post by allintoaccount
They raised education fees to HELP those poor people, don't you get it?
Originally posted by allintoaccount
Originally posted by MrXYZ
reply to post by allintoaccount
The FACT remains, isolation isn't a prerequisite for evolution
In fact, most of the time such an isolation simply didn't happen...apart on some islands like New Zealand.
I think you will find that it is,unless you can give an example?
I think you will find that it is,unless you can give an example?
Originally posted by MrXYZ
Originally posted by allintoaccount
Originally posted by MrXYZ
reply to post by allintoaccount
The FACT remains, isolation isn't a prerequisite for evolution
In fact, most of the time such an isolation simply didn't happen...apart on some islands like New Zealand.
I think you will find that it is,unless you can give an example?
I think you will find that it is,unless you can give an example?
How about human evolution? It's not as if we evolved in complete isolation on some island.
In fact, most don't happen in isolation. Take some random monkey for example. It has an ancestor, and it's very likely that one of those ancestors is also related to some other monkey living today. And sometimes those species mix with species that aren't originally from that geographical location. Homo spapiens and Neanderthals are a good example of that. Or take some species of bees in Europe that have genes from African bees.
Tons of examples.
The important thing to note is that only a small variety of species developed in complete isolation. Like the Tasmanian devil, or the Platipus, or some other species that couldn't leave their geographical location or mix with species from somewhere else. There's not that many locations on earth where you stand zero chance at leaving. Islands come to mind, an oasis maybe, some super remote mountain valley...but that's about it.
Or look at the evolution of canines. Wolves often live alongside foxes and domestic dogs. They evolved side by side, not in isolation.
Originally posted by Bleak
Race and culture are inherently linked.
Originally posted by Bleak
Regardless, I'm trying to tread lightly here, as I know how PC this board is.
Originally posted by Sherlock Holmes
Originally posted by Bleak
Race and culture are inherently linked.
No they're not.
Are you saying that a white Englishman is culturally linked to a white Frenchman ?
Originally posted by FOXMULDER147
Of course they are. Greco-Roman western culture.
Originally posted by Sherlock Holmes
Originally posted by FOXMULDER147
Of course they are. Greco-Roman western culture.
Right. So, if you're defining the similarities between an Englishman and Frenchman as the fact that their cultures are ''Greco-Roman'' ( I always thought that was a type of wrestling ), then that doesn't matter what race the Englishman or Frenchman is, does it ?