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A Closer Look at Multiculturalism

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posted on Sep, 12 2011 @ 11:41 AM
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And the fact that you assume that I'm White is rather telling! So it's only Whites who have a problem with diversity? Hmmmm.............




marauding gangs that pound you to a pulp if they notice your skin is too light, etc.


Yeah exactly, you've been called out, your "problem" isn't that these people have a different culture, it's because they have a different skin color right? and of course you immediately assume "immigrants" make "half the town being on government assistance". nothing racist about that at all.





If he meant race, he should have made that clear. To think that they are one in the same is nothing short of absurd. However, the only "true colors" this shows of ATS is the sad fact that - just like in real life - some people (of all opinions and persuasions) are unable to be intellectually honest or discuss issues without making gross generalizations, stereotyping or goading others.


you mean clear like this?



Basically, yes, this is a racial issue. Sorry, there's just no way around it.


See the OP is using the term "Multiculturalism" to try to slip past the mods and filters, and express his obvious racism. He was called on it, admitted as much, and now it's merely a matter of time before the thread gets closed and the user banned, rightfully so, for wasting time and space spewing racism.

Only "immigrants" blast their stereo?
Only "immigrants" live on social assistance?
Only "immigrants" roam in gangs?

Well, from the tone, I'm assuming the OP is a standard born and bread brittish racist. We get plenty of them here. Oh they've learned to use terms like "immigrants" and "Multiculturalism", but they can only contain their hatred for anyone not like them for so long.

Anyways, I find it funny if the OP is indeed from the UK as I've watched various reports of the epidemic of young WHITE gangs roaming around with meat cleavers and machettes basically taking control of streets and attacking at random. Did I mention all of them were white well off kids?

Yup, as a white guy in canada I can safely say, we whites have it soooooo tough, it's just sooooo hard for us to get by.

Did you ever stop to think that maybe the problems you are having would go away if these "immigrants" were treated equally and fairly?

No, the OP, carefully without actually saying it, suggested that everyone be segregated and "stick to their own"

You disgust me.


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posted on Sep, 12 2011 @ 11:44 AM
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Where is the racial tones?? Even when you say that immigration has led to more crime and social problems it dosent have anything to do with race. And since when was it racist to state FACTS?

The problem in my opinion is immigration politics and lack of integration. Of course there will be problems when you have a bunch of people with different culture being sent to same area.

Here it has gotten so bad that we have schools with majority being immigrants and maybe 1-3 ethnic norwegians.



posted on Sep, 12 2011 @ 11:50 AM
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Originally posted by juleol
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Where is the racial tones??


Really?

Okay...


Originally posted by Bleak
Basically, yes, this is a racial issue. Sorry, there's just no way around it.





posted on Sep, 12 2011 @ 11:52 AM
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While the rest of your post clearly shows you didn't even read the OPs posts, let alone the entire thread, you did make a correct statement here:



The problem in my opinion is immigration politics and lack of integration.


Exactly, now how do we fix that? Segregation? Racism?

Or....

Do we actually force the government and society to treat those people as equals so they can enjoy the same standard of living the rest of us do?

Crime statistics show it all. Income level + education dictates crime rates. It has nothing to do with race or religion, it has everything to do with the environment around them.

Toss a bunch of "whites" into that same ghetto, with the same limited opportunities, and you get the same damn crime rate. But it's much more beneficial to blame it on their race and lock them up, as that creates jobs for WHITE people.
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posted on Sep, 12 2011 @ 12:02 PM
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Originally posted by Bleak
Put simply, multiculturalism is such a well-known and familiar facet of the modern world that most could hardly imagine life without it. Likewise, most could hardly imagine how anyone would dare to criticize such an institution - indeed, we are taught from day one that "diversity" is a good thing, that the only ones who could actually doubt this are hateful, uneducated bigots and nothing more.

This is the popular, accepted viewpoint these days; one that (seemingly) few even bother question. But I am doing just that.

A few decades or so ago, multiculturalism was apparently not held in the esteem that it is today. It was in those days that people were free of such influences, free to embrace homogeneity without being accused of bigotry. I've been told of how my town was in those days - different groups of people had their own space and minded their own business. Believe it or not, it worked beautifully.

Then, something happened. Basically, a group of people came to the brilliant conclusion that letting different groups of people have their own space and mind their own business just wasn't cutting it. The rest is history.

Now here we are, at a point that was quite possibly unimaginable back in the day. I don't need to break it down for you; the state of things is clear.....and I think we can assume that all of this is due to "diversity." Now tell me.....just HOW is this a "good thing"? Just what are the benefits of diversity anyway? I gotta say, I am not getting it. Why is it that the most "diverse" areas seem to be the most dismal? Is that just a coincidence? Furthermore, I must ask why this is all apparently mandatory - if multiculturalism were so great, people would run to it; they wouldn't need to be brainwashed from birth to embrace it.

Anyway, I've got a proposal for all the liberals here: if you love multiculturalism so much, come and partake in it. Leave your high-end suburbs and come to a town like mine. If you insist on doing nothing of the sort, I ask you one simple question: Why? Are you a proponent of diversity only when you don't have to put up with it? Regardless, I'd like to hear from you.

Now to anyone here who wants to blast this as just "intolerance" or "bigotry" - nonsense. Truth is truth, end of story.

That is all.


We all know multi-culturism goes against all human nature, even merkle and cameron know it, however the biggest threat to mankind is the u.s.a.. They are the ones turning the world into their monoculture of forced multiculturalism, how else can they be superpower? Privatise this and privatise that.
Here in the uk we have more american news channels than british, wtf? So the descendents of the people whom slaughtered the american indians for profit are now turning their attention to the rest of the world, and the indigenous people of the world will suffer the same fate.

So I have no country men of my own, we have allowed foreigners here to take our jobs , our house's and our pride. The foreigner that came here betrayed their own countrymen by leaving and not staying to improve the lot of their own kind and we expect these people to put britain first? Don't make me laugh, they are here to profit ,the worst kind of immigrants.

If multi-culturism is so humane then why would papa new guinea have so many different languages on such a small island,about 150, and until recently they were eating one another, what a big up for multi-culturism.

Like I say it goes against every human instinct and should stop forthwith.

We all know multi-culturism goes against all human nature, even merkle and cameron know it, however the biggest threat to mankind is the u.s.a.. They are the ones turning the world into their monoculture of forced multiculturalism, how else can they be superpower? Privatise this and privatise that.
Here in the uk we have more american news channels than british, wtf? So the descendents of the people whom slaughtered the american indians for profit are now turning their attention to the rest of the world, and the indigenous people of the world will suffer the same fate.

So I have no country men of my own, we have allowed foreigners here to take our jobs , our house's and our pride. The foreigner that came here betrayed their own countrymen by leaving and not staying to improve the lot of their own kind and we expect these people to put britain first? Don't make me laugh, they are here to profit ,the worst kind of immigrants.

If multi-culturism is so humane then why would papa new guinea have so many different languages on such a small island,about 150, and until recently they were eating one another, what a big up for multi-culturism.

Like I say it goes against every human instinct and should stop forthwith.



posted on Sep, 12 2011 @ 12:03 PM
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Originally posted by Sherlock Holmes
If it's a racial issue, then why make a thread bemoaning multiculturalism ?
You need to get your argument straight.

Race and culture are inherently linked. Regardless, I'm trying to tread lightly here, as I know how PC this board is.



Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
I'm sorry if you aren't happy. But here's a tip. Better get used to it.

I think this says enough. I mean, you do seem to be admitting that "diversity" is mandatory.



Originally posted by gladtobehere
You want them out of "your" countries, fair enough, but its way way WAY OVER DUE that you got the hell out of theirs

What the hell are you talking about? WHOSE country did I invade.....?



posted on Sep, 12 2011 @ 12:12 PM
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The problem with 'multiculturalism' UK style is that it is not some happy clappy ethnic mix. It is the assimilation of whole areas/cities by an alien culture which refuses to assimilate - including those born here. I'm talking Asian muslims here. Nor is there any love lost between the different ethnic groups - say between Afro Carribeans and Asians.
As someone pointed out on a recent radio phone in, it's OK for such groups to state that they prefer to live together. But when a white person says it, it becomes 'racist'.
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posted on Sep, 12 2011 @ 12:13 PM
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Originally posted by conspiracy nut
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so u would rather have all the cultures and peoples living seperately on their own individual countries, only exposed to their own cultures? would your country be the supreme culture and race? so you're basically saying people should just stick to their own kind? if we did that we would all just be a bunch of inbreds! LMAO!!!!

I doubt it, multiculturism is actually putting a break on evolution.



posted on Sep, 12 2011 @ 12:15 PM
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Exactly, it's basically a try to make racism acceptable in the mainstream again. If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck...well, then it's probably a duck. In this case, it's a clear sign of racism.

And before anyone says "omgomgomg, race card"...well, yeah, if you make racist statements, people can hold you accountable



posted on Sep, 12 2011 @ 12:16 PM
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Originally posted by allintoaccount

Originally posted by conspiracy nut
reply to post by Bleak
 


so u would rather have all the cultures and peoples living seperately on their own individual countries, only exposed to their own cultures? would your country be the supreme culture and race? so you're basically saying people should just stick to their own kind? if we did that we would all just be a bunch of inbreds! LMAO!!!!

I doubt it, multiculturism is actually putting a break on evolution.


Actually, multiculturalism ensures our genes are mixed MORE...so it's most certainly not putting a break on evolution



posted on Sep, 12 2011 @ 12:22 PM
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Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic

Originally posted by Bleak
Admit it: diversity IS forced on people.


Can you explain how diversity is forced on people? I've never had it forced on me and I'm not even sure what you mean. How is diversity forced on you?



Read between the lines. That's not what I'm referring to when I speak of multiculturalism.


How about you don't require us to 'read between the lines" and you tell us just WTF you're referring to when I speak of multiculturalism? How about that? Are you talking about how you hate to hear the hip hop culture playing their music? Or is it that you can't stand the thought of what the gay people down the block do to each other?

What, SPECIFICALLY about multiculturalism has got your panties in a knot?



You're speaking theoretically; how it works in practice is a different matter entirely.


If that's true, then please be forthcoming. Don't keep it to yourself. You're beating around the bush with a *wink-wink* and instructions to "read between the lines" and I'm not at all sure what you're getting at. Have the guts to say what you mean.

How does multiculturalism affect your life in a negative way. Let's have it.


Are you saying that all the crime immigrants have done in the uk would have been done by the indigenous people? the uk would have had full employment and high wages if not for immigrants. We could have gave more aid to foreign countries and people and people would not have to betray their own people by leaving their homeland.



posted on Sep, 12 2011 @ 12:23 PM
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Race and culture are the same thing? A white Christian who gets up, goes to work, provides for his family and takes responsibility for his actions has far more in common with a black, yellow, brown, mix race person of any religion who gets up, goes to work and provides for their family than some white Christians living in a council estate in England, where folks are in their 30s and have never worked.

Of course there are cultural differences that are related to race - that is logical and makes sense, but to suggest that many of the most important cultural differences don't transcend race is ignorant. A white, Christian low life on the public dole, living in a council house, drunk all day has a different cultural identity than a Latino who does manual labor all day and goes home to his family at night. I'll take the Latino and would far rather move my family into a neighborhood full of them than into a neighborhood with the White Christian low life. As a white working person, I have much more in common with the Mexican than the English lowlife, despite the fact that if I was to go back a couple of centurys we could well be related.

Very significant components of culture have absolutely nothing to do with race what so ever. In fact the most important components of culture have nothing to do with race. They have to do with values and those transcend race.



posted on Sep, 12 2011 @ 12:34 PM
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Originally posted by MrXYZ

Originally posted by allintoaccount

Originally posted by conspiracy nut
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so u would rather have all the cultures and peoples living seperately on their own individual countries, only exposed to their own cultures? would your country be the supreme culture and race? so you're basically saying people should just stick to their own kind? if we did that we would all just be a bunch of inbreds! LMAO!!!!

I doubt it, multiculturism is actually putting a break on evolution.


Actually, multiculturalism ensures our genes are mixed MORE...so it's most certainly not putting a break on evolution


I think you should study evolution. evolution happens when a particular branch separates from the main tree by isolation. Multi culturism is just mixing back up the main genes from the main tree. So you are wrong I'm affraid like your views on multiculturism.



posted on Sep, 12 2011 @ 12:45 PM
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Originally posted by dolphinfan
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Race and culture are the same thing? A white Christian who gets up, goes to work, provides for his family and takes responsibility for his actions has far more in common with a black, yellow, brown, mix race person of any religion who gets up, goes to work and provides for their family than some white Christians living in a council estate in England, where folks are in their 30s and have never worked.

Of course there are cultural differences that are related to race - that is logical and makes sense, but to suggest that many of the most important cultural differences don't transcend race is ignorant. A white, Christian low life on the public dole, living in a council house, drunk all day has a different cultural identity than a Latino who does manual labor all day and goes home to his family at night. I'll take the Latino and would far rather move my family into a neighborhood full of them than into a neighborhood with the White Christian low life. As a white working person, I have much more in common with the Mexican than the English lowlife, despite the fact that if I was to go back a couple of centurys we could well be related.

Very significant components of culture have absolutely nothing to do with race what so ever. In fact the most important components of culture have nothing to do with race. They have to do with values and those transcend race.


The white people on council estates can not climb the social ladder because of views like your own. I hope a mexican would save yourlife instead of one of his countrymen if he had a choice. You are totally wrong and the white people on council estates were the ones fighting slavery while your kind were busy whipping them into shape. The white people on council estates could be doctors, nurse's -all the jobs the immigrants do- but they were never given a chance, its called the poverty trap, do some research.



posted on Sep, 12 2011 @ 12:50 PM
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Originally posted by allintoaccount
Are you saying that all the crime immigrants have done in the uk would have been done by the indigenous people?


Crime existed long before the influx of immigrants from the Caribbean, South Asia, Africa and beyond.

The conditions in the crime-ridden slums that were present in every English city were absolutely atrocious until they started building reasonable accommodations in the 1920s and 1930s.

''Poverty'' is relative, and - in years gone by - there were just as many social problems which went along with the English ''slum-dwelling underclass'' as there are today.



posted on Sep, 12 2011 @ 12:54 PM
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Originally posted by juleol
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Where is the racial tones?? Even when you say that immigration has led to more crime and social problems it dosent have anything to do with race. And since when was it racist to state FACTS?

The problem in my opinion is immigration politics and lack of integration. Of course there will be problems when you have a bunch of people with different culture being sent to same area.

Here it has gotten so bad that we have schools with majority being immigrants and maybe 1-3 ethnic norwegians.


Yes we in the uk are supposed to accept that whites will be a minority in less than 50years, we have to accept that that Mohammed is the most popular name given for boys in the 2010, we have to accept that we are doomed. Integration? laugh out loud, race riots are the norm in Sheffield.



posted on Sep, 12 2011 @ 12:58 PM
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Originally posted by Bleak

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
I'm sorry if you aren't happy. But here's a tip. Better get used to it.

I think this says enough. I mean, you do seem to be admitting that "diversity" is mandatory.


Diversity is no more 'mandatory' than the seasons or a full moon - Diversity Happens.
It's not a 'mandate'. No one mandated it, so it's not mandatory, it's just the natural evolution of the population of the planet. We live together and share this rock.

We can get along or not.

You can resist it or get used to it. Your choice.



posted on Sep, 12 2011 @ 01:05 PM
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Originally posted by Sherlock Holmes

Originally posted by allintoaccount
Are you saying that all the crime immigrants have done in the uk would have been done by the indigenous people?


Crime existed long before the influx of immigrants from the Caribbean, South Asia, Africa and beyond.

The conditions in the crime-ridden slums that were present in every English city were absolutely atrocious until they started building reasonable accommodations in the 1920s and 1930s.

''Poverty'' is relative, and - in years gone by - there were just as many social problems which went along with the English ''slum-dwelling underclass'' as there are today.


Well I'd love to get crime statistics and race, e.g. Rapes,knife,drug and gun crime, unfortunately the people whom have a secret agenda to flood the u.k. With immigrants keep those kind of statistics under wrap. And don't forget the 40 years of positive discrimination against whites which have had no effect on the above figures whatsoever! Where is the positive discrimination for the white underclass? None.



posted on Sep, 12 2011 @ 01:16 PM
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Originally posted by allintoaccount

Originally posted by MrXYZ

Originally posted by allintoaccount

Originally posted by conspiracy nut
reply to post by Bleak
 


so u would rather have all the cultures and peoples living seperately on their own individual countries, only exposed to their own cultures? would your country be the supreme culture and race? so you're basically saying people should just stick to their own kind? if we did that we would all just be a bunch of inbreds! LMAO!!!!

I doubt it, multiculturism is actually putting a break on evolution.


Actually, multiculturalism ensures our genes are mixed MORE...so it's most certainly not putting a break on evolution


I think you should study evolution. evolution happens when a particular branch separates from the main tree by isolation. Multi culturism is just mixing back up the main genes from the main tree. So you are wrong I'm affraid like your views on multiculturism.


I think you should read up on evolution, because if the above is your opinion, you're wrong. Isolation can produce new species, but isolation isn't required or even preferred. Hell, homo sapiens mixed with Neanderthals, horses had dirty sex with donkeys and produced mules...again, isolation isn't a requirement of evolution.

Also, I don't wanna derail this thread, but if you seriously wanna discuss evolution, join the creationism forum. You'll realize that it's pretty much the forum I'm most active in...mostly because evolution is a field I feel comfortable talking about.



posted on Sep, 12 2011 @ 01:18 PM
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Sorry.. I must have missed that part.



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