KIDNAPPED: How hospitals and the state can collude to destroy your life...

The Hospital Gestapo: You May Never See Home Again

American hospitals have devised a scheme to guarantee they never get stuck with an unpaid bill. It’s called guardianship.

Thinking of checking into a hospital? Think again. You may never see home again.

*** Ginger Franklin, Hendersonville, Tennessee, fell down the stairs in her condo and suffered a bump on her head. She was declared “temporarily mentally incapacitated” and a guardian was appointed through the courts. Within six weeks, the guardian had soldFranklin’s home, car, furniture, and drained her bank account. Today,Franklin has her freedom back, but she is having to start all over.

*** Michael Kidd, 72, of Richardson, Texas, fell in his yard and broke a hip. Now, he is living in Countryside Nursing Home with his wife. Both were removed from their home when the state of Texas petitioned the courts claiming that the Kidds were mentally incompetent. Their house sits vacant and neglected, with rotting food still remaining in the refrigerator. The Kidds have been confined to a single room in the nursing home, while the state appointed guardian burns through their money an gives them a mere $60 a month spending allowance which they have been using to buy “real” food.

*** Robert Milton (not his real name) was taken to the hospital because he fell “one time too many” at his home, and although his stepson had been given power of attorney to make all of his health care decisions, a court-appointed corporate guardian placed Milton against his will in a nursing home where he is now isolated from his family and friends. Meanwhile, his money is being spent as quickly as possible by the Orlando-based guardian and her attorneys.

These stories are crazy!

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How It Commences

Joseph Niedesky (not his real name) was air lifted to a hospital in Orlando from Ocalaby helicopter after he was the victim of a motorcycle crash. But something went terribly wrong during Niedesky’s surgery and he aspirated on his own vomit, causing some brain injury. That’s when a corporate guardian was contacted by the hospital and appointed by the court as Niedesky’s full plenary, permanent guardian.

What Happens Next

The corporate guardian who petitioned the court stated in the court papers that Niedesky had no family. In reality, Niedesky had been married for more than 20 years and had four teenage children. It took more than two months for Niedesky’s wife to discover what had happened to her husband and where he was located.

The Family is Always Portrayed as the “Devil Incarnate”

What happened to Niedesky is becoming a commonplace occurrence in America. A family member is rushed to the hospital. Surgery occurs and something sometimes goes terribly wrong. However, by quickly petitioning the courts for guardianship, the hospital avoids any kind of lawsuit for negligence or wrongful death. Niedesky’s wife wanted to bring him home and get him out of the guardianship. The guardian, however, kept moving Niedesky from location to location, city to city, until the statute of limitations for suing the hospital had expired. Shortly after the statute of limitations ended, Niedsky just happened to die.

“The hospital saved itself millions in a lawsuit. It is typical that shortly after the statute of limitations runs out, the ward just happens to suddenly die,” stated David Newman, Gainesville, Florida, a civil rights guardianship reform
advocate.

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I had no idea this was taking place.

What has happened to this country?

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Quickly looking at this issue, there are tons of people starting their own websites, blogs or youtube videos trying to tell their horror story.

Just google "Guardianship Abuse" and you will see what I mean.

That is outrageous!!!!!

We are becoming more and more Flucked everyday!

The next time I see someone who is 45ish... I am gonna kick them in the shins...

Cos thats the generation that is letting the world Fluck us!!!

Originally posted by loam

I had no idea this was taking place.

What has happened to this country?

edit on 12-9-2011 by loam because: (no reason given)

Let me think. What's happened to this country....

Is there money involved?

reply to post by Ex_CT2

Originally posted by Ex_CT2
Is there money involved?

Yup, money is involved.

I worked with mentally challenged adults for over a decade and had many dealings with these appointed "guardians", and thankfully, I stopped many things they tried doing to my clients that weren't in their best financial interest.

I took a LOA and was away from one client for 3 weeks.... the "guardian" and the state came in, sold his condo, drained his account, and threw him in an apartment where they could keep a closer eye on him.

This kind of stuff is expanding past mentally challenged and elderly, and they are using the "what ifs" mentality to justify it all.

Originally posted by EvolEric
That is outrageous!!!!!

We are becoming more and more Flucked everyday!

The next time I see someone who is 45ish... I am gonna kick them in the shins...

Cos thats the generation that is letting the world Fluck us!!!

Easy there young whippersnapper, some of us old fogey-ish forty-somethings are doing our best to UNfluck the mess we're in, and we could use your help, so Vote for Ron Paul (and BTW, some of us can kick ass too; I'd be careful about whose shins you're kicking if I were you.) .

About the OP, that is just shameful. I can't believe all of the different dirty tricks that were used to get control of these poor folks money. The last one especially took me aback, and if I was that lady I'd be looking for some payback. The hospital may think they got away with murder, but crimes and ethics violations can still be prosecuted even if they occur under the color of law. I'll bet if she got a smart lawyer she'd get paid (not that it would ever make up for the loss of her husband.)

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Thank-you for bringing this to my attention.I have a 75 year old
husband with some health issues and I will be looking into this.

Absolutly outrageous. Seems like science fiction...at least it SHOULD be.

People are put in jail for much less, yet this is condoned by the State. Disgusting. A live-in nurse could be paid for half of what was going into that nursing home......except then the State wouldn't benefit from that, would they?

reply to post by OldCorp


look....
My comment isnt directed towards you or the people on here...

Instead...Politicians, law makers, and the people of influence in our communities

Anything is better than socialism.
Capitalism aint perfect.
Stop whining.

Sarcasm off.
You see if we had socialized medicine the
capitalists couldnt do that and they
like doing that, a lot.
Americans worship the rich and
that makes them slaves to the rich.

Well I might go out in an elderly rampage it seems.

This is absolutley horrible! I can guarantee that there would be Justice, my way if not any other way, if some corporate attorney tried to take guardianship over anyone in my family against our will. I have only used my government training on the necessary enemies that deserved it and would generally not use violence to pursue justice in a civil society. But more and more, justice is bought by corporations, and corrupt individuals. I know how corrupt the system is because it was part of my job to take care of a certain part of it. I can not reveal our method of dispensing justice was to those with power that used it against other citizens, but we looked at it like the victims were family members of ours. And that is exactly what will happen to family members of the people that are corrupt enough to use these tactics on other people's families. I am out of the game now and have been for about 15 years. There is a tipping point to everything. You can deal with a lot of wrong and still say FIDO and move on. (FIDO = F It Drive On). But when it starts coming to killing family members, and certain crimes against them, whether promulgated in a board room or court room or whatever, that tipping point will be reached mighty quick.

I am just so totally... I can't even think of a word for how I feel about what is going on in this world today.

Sad part is, it will continue.

This serves as a reminder that we need to protect our families rather than relying on the state to do it. The corruption is out of control. While things like this and worse have no doubt been going on for generations, we're more aware of it now than ever which makes the consequences of our actions (and inaction) even more important.

This isn't limited to the elderly at all.
Persons of any age can be judged mentally incompetent by the state and end up in the same position.
This is where all this nonsense about conspiracy theorists suffering from "cognitive dissonance" could come in to play.
"you don't believe the 9/11 Commission Report?", you're mentally incompetent! We'll provide a guardian for you while the hospital puts enough drugs in you to see pink elephants.
This is a real possibility down the road, never underestimate the sliminess and greed of some people.

Horrible that our elderly are treated like babies.
They built this Nation and suffered through the Great Depression, they deserve our respect.

could humanity stoop any lower....thats sick...its always the weak or the elderly,easy targets for scum......its times like these i wish these reptilian beings did exist so i could blame them and not humans for this kinda behaviour..

The authorities are urging carers in the UK to appoint Guardians to their clients who have learning difficulties or mental health issues. The Guardian can't be the carer, they say that this is to protect the client, they say it can be a parent, but many clients have no living parent and others don't know who the parent is. They seem to want the agency which placed the client to be allocated as the Guardian, but in reality, to them, the people are just a unit of earnings, although they would not admit that.

I don't know if this is a similar scenario to America, but the name Guardianship is also used, and it seems to be being utilised to remove any real rights and decisions from the individual and from the closest of the support services, including the carer. I will never appoint one of the umberella organisations as Guardians, especially after learning of this tragic abuse of power and of the criminal theft of peoples properties and posessions. Although many of the people who are in the system in Britain have little money or possesions, they still have the right to sue for incompetence and neglect and medical blunders, I wonder if this will now rob them of that right. I suppose the New World Order will find this a step in the right direction to eliminating many sections of the population which they deem as unnecessary and taking their money and possesions and property for themselves, the elderly are not likely to have parents still alive to take the responsibility, especially when they will have been processed like this, before them.

It all seems a little " Logan's Run " to me !

I have been told that even Brittany Spears has fallen under some kind of Guardianship order after her mental health problems and that she is losing the right to make her own decisions and is having her money taken as they see fit. I don't know if this is true, that is just what I have been told after talking to a friend about this.

P.S. I have in the past been involved in the process of having an elderly client commited to a mental health facility and the process was a long drawn out and very difficult proceedure, but have recently been told by the authorities which I have to work with, that the process has been recently streamlined and made much quicker, I will check if that is indeed true. The problem is that the more you kick and scream and protest your sanity, the more evidence they have that you are confrontational, hostile and aggressive and possibly pose a threat to yourself and other people, once they have you, it is easy for you to slip off of the radar, either by being moved around or fitted for a body bag. Anyway who is to care if another crazy person just happens to die, they are better off that way and who is going to miss them right ( sarcasm ) !

I’m sure you realize that there are a small percentage of people who live in deplorable conditions of their own free will. If you haven’t then you need to have lunch with a couple of police officers.
Eventually these people end up in the hospital. If the people there feel that there is something wrong at home they are required to report it to the police. Would you want them to hide it? I didn’t think so.

Since none of you were there to talk to these people you don’t know if they were ‘over the edge’ or not.
Now can the ‘system’ go too far in ‘protecting’ that small group? I’m sure it can. But if these people were ‘infringed’ upon why didn’t they get a lawyer? If you can get a lawyer for spilt hot coffee at a fast food restaurant then you can get one for anything.

So before you get too enraged about the system check it from the other side.

reply to post by OldCorp

OldCorp... I like you, I really do. (I have been lurking here for a long time) But Ron Paul is not going to fix this. He is not superman. So let's skip the politics? We have to stand for our own, and when we can stand no more, it is the duty of the local community to... oh wait, I forgot, there is no local community any more. Carry on then...
And that is the problem right there in a nutshell. We need (real) local government so this sort of thing cannot happen!

Guardianships, unlike Powers of Attorney, must be awarded by a Judge, in a court hearing, complete with testimony from witnesses. Typically these folks are adjudged "incompetent" by the court, and consequently appointed a Guardian. If no family member is available to receive Guardianship, then the court appoints an unrelated person, sometimes an attorney, but not always.

The reasons for the "sell offs" of their personal properties is to obtain monies to pay for nursing homes, [if the person does not have enough cash.) If he does, he is also appointed a Conservator to pay his bills from his own money. The Guardian and Conservator are paid from the person's money, unless it is a family member.

So when this happens, the Judges, doctors, family and friends are "in on it", too.

ETA: Having said the above, I personally believe that people have a right to age out and die in their own homes, provided they are not a danger to themselves or others.