This thread about bible prophecy is quite informative. I appreciate the intelligent dialogue.
Concerning the sequence of events, I am curious about what Jesus said (Matt 24:6-8) about there being wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not alarmed, for this must take place, but the end is not yet. Event to the point of famines and earth quakes...are but the beginning of the birth pains.

At what point is mankind's war-filled-history are we to start the clock so to speak? So that we could say, oh, now is the time of wars that Jesus told us to not be alarmed about (yet).

Truthfully, I can only speculate, but it seems to me that wars, rumors of war, famines and earthquakes in various places has been occuring for a long time.

Maybe we won't know the time is close until they (Matt 24:9) deliver us up to tribulation and be put to death.

But further, in v15 Jesus says that when we see the abomination of/that causes desolation in the holy place we are to flee...and in v21 Jesus says...For then there will be a great tribulation...

Seems to me that the the wars, rumors of war, famine, eq, nation v. nation, come at some point(s), then the abomination comes, then the tribulation and being put to death. Though not all believers will be put to death b/c Jesus says in v13 But the one who endures to the end will be saved. and v22 And if those days had not been cut short...

What gets confusing to me is that in my (English Standard Version) bible app, the next sentence v14 Jesus says And this gospel of the kingdom will be proclaimed...then the end will come.
Using And instead of But makes it appear to me that it will occur after tribulation, so that the nations will still be learning of Jesus right into and through the tribulation.

It just has me thinking that knowing what is the abomination of desolation, and then when we see it, we would know we've crossed the tipping point.

Lastly, Jesus started the discussion of the close of the age by saying v4-5 See that no one leads you astray. For many will come in my name, saying, I am the Christ, and they will lead many astray. Hasn't this been happening for many years? There is a pretty long history of false messiahs since Jesus spoke his words.

I see why no one will know the hour or the day. It is inevitable but still not very predictable to me.

OP,

I feel no need to state whether I believe or not, only to inform that I feel like you have (possibly inadvertently but somewhat thoughtlessly) created further and sewn division between believers and non believers by propagating such a situation of future conflict.

Hypothetically:
If I was told that I would be oppressed by atheists, I would obviously feel threatened by them and therefore a conflict is created.

If I was told that believers should fear me because I will one day oppress them, and that I was fulfilling their prophecy, I would be pissed off because I would most probably have no such intentions and if this was coming from a believer, I would feel that they must be pretty paranoid to think it up and therefore, again, conflict is created,

It probably was not your intention, OP, but complaints about division only sew division.
If there is to be oppression, it will be solely the decision of the future "elite" whether belief is enforced or discouraged, and for this we can not blame believers or atheists.


The qualities that unite us should be emphasized upon: Desire for peace and happiness as well as the personal search for truth.

No insult intended, and with respect to all

-Chlo

Actually I do see some prophesies to watch currently. The Daniel prophesies to be specific. There are those would say the prophesies of Daniel were already fulfilled once but there is a problem with that approach. That being the various warnings Daniel placed in the prophesies on their timing. That being these verses.

Daniel

7-26 But the judgment shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end.

8-19 And he said, Behold, I will make thee know what shall be in the last end of the indignation: for at the time appointed the end shall be.
8-23 And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up.

10-14 Now I am come to make thee understand what shall befall thy people in the latter days: for yet the vision is for many days.

11-6 And in the end of years they shall join themselves together; for the king's daughter of the south shall come to the king of the north to make an agreement: but she shall not retain the power of the arm; neither shall he stand, nor his arm: but she shall be given up, and they that brought her, and he that begat her, and he that strengthened her in these times.
11-35 And some of them of understanding shall fall, to try them, and to purge, and to make them white, even to the time of the end: because it is yet for a time appointed.
11-40 And at the time of the end shall the king of the south push at him: and the king of the north shall come against him like a whirlwind, with chariots, and with horsemen, and with many ships; and he shall enter into the countries, and shall overflow and pass over.

12-4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.
12-9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.

All these verses warn about the time of the end, end of days, latter times, and the end. So what is the end? After looking at Daniel then you can draw one conclusion. The end is the end of the 70th week of Daniel 9. Which has yet to happen. How can I say that? Matthew 24-15 predicts the abomination of desolation happens after verse 14. When the gospel of the kingdom to come has been presented to all the nations/tribes/ethnic groups of the world. Simply the Abomination of desolation is a future event per Jesus Christ. As well the Antichrist of Revelation 13. Who appears to be the same guy from Daniel 7, 8, and 11.

So I would put this as simply as possible. The prophesies of Daniel in a twisted way appear to be repeating. And they bear watching. So here is the events Daniel appears to have predicted and then the future upcoming events per the prophesies.

Starting with the Iranian hostage crisis of 1979 up to 9-11-2001 it would appear was predicted by Daniel 11-2. When a powerful nation from the west would be attacked by 4 "kings or nations" from the area of ancient Persia. Today's middle east. And considering the prophesies of Daniel come from visions he had back then I would point out the 9-11 attack on Washington DC would look like an attack on a 21st century Greece to Daniel. All that Grecian-Roman architecture.

Then the prophesies jump to Daniel 8 where the attacked "Greece" attacks back and conquers 2 of those "kings" by breaking the 2 horns of the ram. Then it kills the ram The ram is the symbol of "Persia". Today's Iran.

So 10-7-01 and 3-19-02 mark the dates the 2 horns were broken. And that gives us the future events to watch for.

The conquering of Iran in Daniel 8. The death of the ram.

The implosion of the American Government and the rise of the 4 republic of Daniel 8 and 11-4.

The creation of the kingdoms of the north and south in Europe Africa, and Asia.

The signing of the 7 year agreement.

The attack on the Vatican in 11-7 and 8. And the start of WW3 if not WW4.

One odd thing about that war though. It reads like a WW2 story. Which begs the question" Why no nukes?" Unless....Maybe they were already used?

Just a timeline to watch for.

To Krono:

Wow, some people on here claiming the "verified" that god exists. Utter nonsense, how can you verify his presence without seeing him/her/it? Witnessing a near death experience or having one? I saw my nan in the hospital when she was on her last legs, 3hours after i left she sadly passed away, I didn;t witness a presence.

God is way above phisical experience, He just IS. Not being able to see, doesn't means it doesn't exists.
Sorry about your nan. You say you didn't witnessed a presence? Are you sure? Who do you think that conforted you and made you feel better?

People tend to believe what makes them feel better, some just accept that there IS a creator, there IS a GOD. The ways to believe HIM, may be different, but He is still there.
IMHO, there's no such a thing as creationists and evolutionists are the only sides. I believe in a mix of both. Take a simple example of the dinosaurs. They lived in earth several million years more than we did. And even so, they took several million years to accomplish simple "evolution" mutations. But now take a look on us, mankind. From Neanderthal to what we are today there are "only" 300.000 years, which, evolutionary is nothing but a single "tic" in the natures clock. So, my theory is, some "superior" being took our species and changed it genetically to make evolution run faster and, so, we were "created". Some will say that this is pure BS. I say: think again, research and you'll see that this is the most feasable hypothesis.

hey fellas...
those who do not understand christianity, which is the truth, simply need to actually read maybe four short but interesting books in the bible. actually read some of it.

those who think proof of God isn't possible...catch this
there is no other book even close to the bible for astounding cohesiveness through 2600 years ...written by different authors.
How did someone predict that one man could fulfill 10 different details about the life and death of Jesus, written in the bible.....and have all of them come true?....the odds are 10 to the 17TH power. you stack dollar bills to the moon 76 times.....then go travel along and stop anywhere you want...... and pick one bill out from any of the 76 stacks.......that's the odds.
did you know the believers have supernatural help!...I know, it's like magic...supernatural....isn't that what you're after? It takes the confusion right out,...from this life. If you talk to Jesus, He will talk back!