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500 Longshoremen Storm a Government Building, Take Hostages (Longview, Washington)

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posted on Sep, 12 2011 @ 12:24 AM
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Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by TerryMcGuire
 


a decade of my life being treated and sub human and extorted

i earn my viewpoint.

if you have never been in a union you have no clue i have
And if I have been and had experiences quite different than you describe? How is it possible that you draw such extreme generalizations from from your own bad experiences. Do you not believe people can have different experiences from your own?




posted on Sep, 12 2011 @ 12:29 AM
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how can i draw "Extreme generalizations" thats hilarious

anyone who sits there and tells me unions are looking out for the little guy is delusional.

like i said i earned my right and contempt for unions and they are duely deserved.

but feel free to sit there and tell me unions are all about goodness and joy.

that arent even close



posted on Sep, 12 2011 @ 12:43 AM
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Ok, here's your problem; not all things are subjective. There are things that are solid and factual and not really subject to interpretation. Enjoy that.



posted on Sep, 12 2011 @ 01:22 AM
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Originally posted by MidnightTide
I think beezer just made the liberal folk mad.....they took a look at the title, came in with a crap eating grin on their face - read the OP and then got mad that their hopes of bashing the tea party was ruined.



That is narrow minded and really imbecilic to presume and suggest like you know something... tee he he, because you know squat.

If the Tea Stains stormed the Supreme Court and demanded they overturn recent rulings against the people and in support of Corporatism they might have been heroes and we would have wrote a song about them.
But the Tea Stains are fighting FOR CORPORATISM.

If the baggers stormed Congress and took Congress hostage demanding they actually DO something - the people would rally behind them singing the folk songs in honor of their bravery in the face of opposition, but the Stains want to take away grannys benefits and give them to the rich oil companies so it is hard to rally behind them with any gusto.

If the Tea Stains stormed the White House and demanded the Constitutional Protections recently dropped in the 4th amendment be reinstated the people would rally and support them.

But no, no heros here...just another beezer lie to try and get people to support the Tea Stains...and you chasing along and hopping on without an original thought, a perfect party member, the ideal party faithful, loyal to a fault.

Deception _ I think that is what people are a little annoyed about.
Especially when we have been clearly warned and recently

"BEWARE OF THE DECEIVERS."



Just hope we ARE all paying attention.



posted on Sep, 12 2011 @ 01:28 AM
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Actually, my intent was to illustrate bias. A mod changed the title, thus altered my intent. I have asked for a review and a possible thread deletion.
It was done tongue in cheek. The Tea Party has been demonized for weeks/months. When a union does something, it gets limited play because they (MSM) don't want to smear their own base.

It was a fun thread, made to elicit responses and create dialogue.. And boy-golly! Did it!

Stop being so sensitive.




posted on Sep, 12 2011 @ 01:28 AM
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Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by TerryMcGuire
 


how can i draw "Extreme generalizations" thats hilarious

anyone who sits there and tells me unions are looking out for the little guy is delusional.

like i said i earned my right and contempt for unions and they are duely deserved.

but feel free to sit there and tell me unions are all about goodness and joy.

that arent even close



You are only one mans opinion.

There is a whole other side to this coin and it offers workers protection against oppressive and unfair work conditions, pay and benefits, against employers who see them as dispensable commodities and not humans with pride and rights and mouths to feed.

Whether you choose to see it or ignore it doesn't make that fact disappear.



posted on Sep, 12 2011 @ 01:28 AM
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Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by newcovenant
 
Actually, my intent was to illustrate bias. A mod changed the title, thus altered my intent. I have asked for a review and a possible thread deletion.
It was done tongue in cheek. The Tea Party has been demonized for weeks/months. When a union does something, it gets limited play because they (MSM) don't want to smear their own base.

It was a fun thread, made to elicit responses and create dialogue.. And boy-golly! Did it!

Stop being so sensitive.




OK fair enough!



And by golly you sure did elicit responses. Point taken,
edit on 12-9-2011 by newcovenant because: (no reason given)



posted on Sep, 12 2011 @ 01:31 AM
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yeah this mans opinion about life within a union since i was in one.

no its not another side of the coin its the same one when theres no protection agianst the union or other members intimidating using unfair tactics and worker conditions.

unions could give a rats behind about anyone but they cash they give them and the power.

your free to ignore those facts.
edit on 12-9-2011 by neo96 because: (no reason given)



posted on Sep, 12 2011 @ 01:32 AM
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Originally posted by neo96
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yeah this mans opinion about life within a union since i was in one.

no its not another side of the coin its the same on when theres no protection agianst the union or other members intimidating using unfair tactics worker conditions.

unions could give a rats behind about anyone but they cash they give them and the power.

your free to ignore those facts.



My father was in a Labor Union for around 30 years and he saw protections and a different set of facts.



posted on Sep, 12 2011 @ 01:33 AM
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Star for you for being a good sport.




posted on Sep, 12 2011 @ 01:34 AM
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yeah your "father"

dont really care nothing anyone says will change the contempt i have for them barking up the wrong tree here.

guess people have no concept what what the term earn means



posted on Sep, 12 2011 @ 01:37 AM
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I think it's pretty safe to say at this point, that our media is nothing more than the attack arm of the Democrat party.

Maybe you forgot the MSM during Bush about the tea parties? Or during Bush when anyone opposing the war in Iraq was a terrorist?

Thing is, the MSM is sold out to big government and big corporation. Whoever disagrees is a traitor and the MSM portray them as such.


Just you watch, the upcoming September 17 Day of Rage against Wall Street will be branded as terrorist and they will blame the tea party for it.



posted on Sep, 12 2011 @ 01:40 AM
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Originally posted by Vitchilo

Just you watch, the upcoming September 17 Day of Rage against Wall Street will be branded as terrorist and they will blame the tea party for it.
Interesting point. Since the Sept. 17th is a union-sponsored event.



posted on Sep, 12 2011 @ 01:41 AM
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Originally posted by beezzer

Originally posted by Vitchilo

Just you watch, the upcoming September 17 Day of Rage against Wall Street will be branded as terrorist and they will blame the tea party for it.
Interesting point. Since the Sept. 17th is a union-sponsored event.

It is? Well good for the unions. Every American should go to Wall Street on Sept. 17 and occupy every bank that received a bailout and not leave till they pay it all back.



posted on Sep, 12 2011 @ 01:46 AM
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Thre's a link from Trumka and the organizers. A thread was even started on it a while back. No Tea Party issues, at least not in the e-mails that I get.



posted on Sep, 12 2011 @ 01:46 AM
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Originally posted by neo96
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yeah your "father"

dont really care nothing anyone says will change the contempt i have for them barking up the wrong tree here.

guess people have no concept what what the term earn means



Really? My father died from sucking in dust and debris from his job site and working like a dog his entire life. He never got to enjoy retirement or any leisure time his entire life but a few weeks a year when we went camping in Vermont. He worked on and helped build the Empire State Plaza in New York State among other projects but that was the last. He gave his heart and soul, sweat and blood and from his dedication he earned his death.



posted on Sep, 12 2011 @ 01:55 AM
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My dad was a Journeyman Union guy too but even before he died in 87 he was complaining the unions were becoming corrupt and I have to say if he was alive today he would be wholeheartedly against them


I think Unions like most other things become corrupt when they become too big and powerful



posted on Sep, 12 2011 @ 02:04 AM
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Originally posted by Cinaed
My dad was a Journeyman Union guy too but even before he died in 87 he was complaining the unions were becoming corrupt and I have to say if he was alive today he would be wholeheartedly against them


I think Unions like most other things become corrupt when they become too big and powerful


Well yes but the answer is not to give in to corporate pressure and fold. You can't forget their purpose. Unions are to workers what the Constitution is to us...I mean ideally. They should not be allowed to take hostages of course and should be forced to be reasonable but at the same time...respected as the sole representative of the workers interest.



posted on Sep, 12 2011 @ 02:11 AM
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Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by TerryMcGuire
 


how can i draw "Extreme generalizations" thats hilarious

anyone who sits there and tells me unions are looking out for the little guy is delusional.

like i said i earned my right and contempt for unions and they are duely deserved.

but feel free to sit there and tell me unions are all about goodness and joy.

that arent even close
Check the thread of our conversation, Neo. You will find I have said no such thing. You are reading these things into what I have said according to tour own bias. Bias I think is normal. But It seems like you are in a with me or against me frame of mind. A my way or the highway kinda thing. So I will leave it off with that. Oh though, one more thing?

anyone who sits there and tells me unions are looking out for the little guy is delusional.
If that isn't an extreme generalization, I don't know what is.



posted on Sep, 12 2011 @ 02:15 AM
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Originally posted by Mr Headshot
reply to post by TerryMcGuire
 


Ok, here's your problem; not all things are subjective. There are things that are solid and factual and not really subject to interpretation. Enjoy that.
sorry Mr Headshot. I fail to understand how your point relates to the post I made. Sure, a bullet to the head is very objective, but how one relates to experirnces is subjective wouldn't you say?




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