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Originally posted by megabytz
reply to post by MidnightTide
No not mad I knew it was bs as soon as I saw the title.
The tea party has given me plenty of reason to bash and criticize their fake astroturf populist "movement", I don't need another one.
The tea party is to American politics what taco bell is to Mexican food,
A cheap populist substitute that leaves you full of crap.
There I got a little bashing in.
Originally posted by NoHierarchy
That's complete BULLSH*T beezer and you know it!!
These union protesters have good reason to do what they're doing.
What you FAIL to realize is that the REASONS and the TARGETS of such protest are EXTREMELY IMPORTANT to whether or not people support their actions.
If the Tea Party engaged in such a thing... I imagine it would be to the WRONG targets and for the WRONG reasons. However, if they targeted the RIGHT things and for the RIGHT reasons, I WOULD SUPPORT THEM!! But until they wise up and do the right thing, the tea party has only proven it is a puppet movement meant to rally scared xenophobes into fighting against their own best interests. These union members are FIGHTING FOR THEIR BEST INTERESTS and not taking any crap from higher-ups and corporate pigs. And MORE POWER TO THEM.
Stop your divisive propaganda and wake up to the DETAILS of reality, your assumptions are false and your support misguided.
Six guards were held hostage for a couple of hours after 500 or more Longshoremen broke down gates about 4:30 a.m. and smashed windows in the guard shack, he said.
The blockade appeared to defy a federal restraining order issued last week against the union after it was accused of assaults and death threats.
Judge Leighton had issued the original restraining order at the request of the National Labor Relations Board, which said that the longshoremen’s union was engaged in unfair labor practices and improperly harassing workers at the EGT terminal.
Judge Leighton told the union’s lawyers on Thursday that there was a peaceful way to protest. “It requires some restraint,” he said. “Your clients have none of that.”
“They have to obey local laws,” he added. “They must restrain themselves from violence, threats, vandalism and the like."
The situation at the plant has been simmering since November 2010, when EGT told the ILWU it would not be hiring union Longshoremen to man its giant grain plant — jobs the union had counted on and the Port of Longview had assumed would be given to union workers when it finalized its 30-year lease with the company in 2009.
However, EGT said the lease gives it the option not to hire union workers. In its lawsuit against the port, EGT wrote, "The lease did not impose any obligation whatsoever upon EGT to utilize union labor at the terminal, much less obligate EGT to utilize persons who are represented by Local 21 of the International Longshore and Warehouse Union."
The Port disputes this, saying it had a working agreement with the union that EGT knew about when it began negotiating the lease in 2007.
Originally posted by Kicking2bears
Comparing unions to the tea party is ridiculious! You can compare unions to businesses or corporations since they have to follow the same rules, but they are not anything like a political party. Honestly, some people will grasp at any straw to bash the Tea Party.
Anyone who has been to tea party ralley can tell you that they are mostly a bunch of senior citizens chillin' on lawn chairs singing patriotic songs and listening to each other give speaches. Mad kudos' to the tea party for taking a stand but they are no real threat to anybody.
Originally posted by MasterGemini
Originally posted by Rockdisjoint
Well, there are bad apples in all types of organizations, union members aren't perfect......
They just so happen to be the highest paid union in all the land.
Longshoremen are among the best-paid blue collar workers in the country, partly because of union-negotiated contracts. Longshoremen with 10 years’ of experience earn roughly $30 per hour, according to payscale.com, a website that tracks typical salaries across various U.S. careers.
Where is this fictional land? I used to live in a very liberal area where unions are strong and they only accounted for a fraction of available jobs. No one had to work in a union job.
Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by TerryMcGuire
totally missed the point of what i said so lets break it down
i want a job but the only job around is a union job there are no if ands or buts about it
This sounds to me as if you think of dues as extortion. This of course is your prerogative but not all union members view dues in this manner.
then if i want that job i have to be union in doing so I HAVE TO PAY DUES
This sounds like an individual who once was in a contractual relationship with a labor organization which provided certain services for an established price. The back dues you bring up would come into play if the individual had previously faulted on that obligation, that contract. Here, the blame should not be on the union but on the individual who faulted on the earlier agreement.
but wait for it thats not all
back dues come into play so the few weeks or however long it take YOU PAY BACKDUES every week until you get current.
So do you speak from experience here or are you just conjecturing from an anti-union bias. The unions I am familiar with call this period of membership, apprenticeship. Apprenticeships have grievance committees which oversee individual rights.
next up if senority and if you aint got it your nothing but the lowest scum and are treated as such once your in a union forget about individual rights they don't exist.
I leave you once again with your own words
whose the lackey?
yeah well my alliiegence lays with the peope who pay me
Originally posted by Masterjaden
Guess what, I'm not rich. Not even close. I hope to be well off some day and I'm working towards that end.