Originally posted by VitriolAndAngst
LOL.

This story would NEVER be about the Tea Party;

1) They were fighting against a group with POWER and not FOR A GROUP WITH POWER.

2) A verb like "storming" was used. If it were the Tea Party, it would be a "heavily panting men attempted to jog from their SUVs to the office doors, but gave up the attempt, and settled on waving misspelled signs at the foot of the stairs."

3) "Hundreds of" -- if it were the Tea Party, the Media would quake in their high quality loafers and a dozen would be "Thousands of" -- no Tea Party gaggle goes on, without at LEAST a ten-fold multiplication in their astro-turf might.

4) Charges were filed....


>> PEOPLE fighting for the environment, an end to occupations and warfare, ministers protesting the training of assassins at the "School of the Americas" in Southern Georgia get prison time, or to keep their jobs ends up getting punished.

But the Tea Party is unscathed. Some guy brings a gun to a town hall meeting and shouts everyone down -- kid gloves. Some reporter asks a non-scripted question at a Tea Party Republican meeting however, gets tasered and carted off.


>> The Tea Party is ONLY being persecuted by sane and rational people -- but not the government, big business, or the media. Take your persecution fantasy elsewhere.

BINGO.

It's sorta like comparing a neo-nazi rally to an anti-racist/fascist rally...

When neo-nazis rally... the cops PROTECT them and practically march alongside them.

When leftists rally/protest... NO MATTER HOW PEACEFUL IT IS, the cops target it with violence and offensive and/or unconstitutional breaches of rights and personal safety of protesters.

You know who the real resistance fighters are when the system TRULY attacks them. I've not seen this happen to the tea-party... the tea-party have become nauseating little darlings to the mainstream media and the powers that be when compared to leftist activists.

Longshoremen are not your average union, they hold MEGA power because they control ALL of the work that's done on the port, The port is vital & essential to the industries and to the economy.

Making 100K as a Longshoremen is NOT rare. While at the same time the grunts (its a senority system) don't get as many hours but still make the same wage. Morning/Afternoon/Graveyard shifts all increasing($) in the base amount depending on which one you work.M:$35,A:$45,G:$55.


-The POV I'm giving is from the Vancouver,BC Port. I expect the Ports in USA pay a killing too.

So very easily alot of the folk fall into the wrong paths after making so much cash, and have drug problems ect.
Ive had a Port Foremen tell me he's seen a worker get canned on site for drinking while driving trucks on the port, Also stories about Dock Gantry Operators (The big huge mega cranes that unload containers off ships) being high on coke while working. Im adding this because of the buffoon who came out and antagonized the TV crew, looks like the typical alcoholic.

I'm not a longshoremen BTW

Originally posted by NoHierarchy

Originally posted by VitriolAndAngst
LOL.

This story would NEVER be about the Tea Party;

1) They were fighting against a group with POWER and not FOR A GROUP WITH POWER.

2) A verb like "storming" was used. If it were the Tea Party, it would be a "heavily panting men attempted to jog from their SUVs to the office doors, but gave up the attempt, and settled on waving misspelled signs at the foot of the stairs."

3) "Hundreds of" -- if it were the Tea Party, the Media would quake in their high quality loafers and a dozen would be "Thousands of" -- no Tea Party gaggle goes on, without at LEAST a ten-fold multiplication in their astro-turf might.

4) Charges were filed....


>> PEOPLE fighting for the environment, an end to occupations and warfare, ministers protesting the training of assassins at the "School of the Americas" in Southern Georgia get prison time, or to keep their jobs ends up getting punished.

But the Tea Party is unscathed. Some guy brings a gun to a town hall meeting and shouts everyone down -- kid gloves. Some reporter asks a non-scripted question at a Tea Party Republican meeting however, gets tasered and carted off.


>> The Tea Party is ONLY being persecuted by sane and rational people -- but not the government, big business, or the media. Take your persecution fantasy elsewhere.

BINGO.

It's sorta like comparing a neo-nazi rally to an anti-racist/fascist rally...

When neo-nazis rally... the cops PROTECT them and practically march alongside them.

When leftists rally/protest... NO MATTER HOW PEACEFUL IT IS, the cops target it with violence and offensive and/or unconstitutional breaches of rights and personal safety of protesters.

You know who the real resistance fighters are when the system TRULY attacks them. I've not seen this happen to the tea-party... the tea-party have become nauseating little darlings to the mainstream media and the powers that be when compared to leftist activists.

>> The ONLY dangerous "leftist group" that I've heard about is "The Weathermen" -- all the way back during the Vietnam War. Boy does Rush Limbaugh and the wingnuts LOVE to talk about Obama having been on a school board with one of the guys from that group.

Well, for one thing; When did the Vietnam War become something we should have done? When was this a "good thing"? The OTHER thing -- is The Weathermen were careful to blow up buildings that were un-occupied, they just wanted to make the war COST something in terms of dollars for its endorsers.

Without protests, and the BEGINNING of violence from the left -- would the Vietnam war have ever ended? Can we actually say it has with something like 20,000 troops still in South Vietnam?

>> The Equivalency of "violence" just isn't there -- nor is the TREATMENT of Left protestors vs. the kid gloves on Right Wing protestors. Could you imagine what would happen if Greenpeace, or an organization trying to smuggle food to Palestinians got weaponized like some of these Militia groups?

The Equivalence of PURPOSE just isn't there. Fighting to enforce your standards on others, vs. fighting to GIVE rights to others. If you think Slavery, Wars for Profit, Pollution, and not allowing Gays service in the military or marriage, women the right to vote, and the end to "Poll Taxes" were bad ideas -- well, then you'd be with the Right wing groups and the Women's Temperance Movement.


>> When did Archie Bunker become cool again? I can watch the old movie "Animal House" and marvel that all the Cool Anti-Establishment people would fit right in, and be taking their lives in their hands trying to prank the up-tight fascists of today. The members of Animal House would all end up in GitMo.


>> And I want to say; maybe the good guys need to ACT UP and quit pretending the other side is going to respond to principles, nonviolence, "fairness", calls to investigate corruption, or mercy. We are run by Psychopaths who think God is Good because God is good to THEM. Never before have they been so callous, self-centered, ignorant, and self-righteous.

Just look at the current "Republican Debate" and listen to the cheers for "let em' die." The Phony moralists like Rick Perry (who used to be a Democrat when it was convenient) and that Faith Healer wacko lady -- I don't know if I'm looking at the 700 Club during sweeps week, or the end of the Union.

Originally posted by mkultracanuck
Longshoremen are not your average union, they hold MEGA power because they control ALL of the work that's done on the port, The port is vital & essential to the industries and to the economy.

Making 100K as a Longshoremen is NOT rare. While at the same time the grunts (its a senority system) don't get as many hours but still make the same wage. Morning/Afternoon/Graveyard shifts all increasing($) in the base amount depending on which one you work.M:$35,A:$45,G:$55.


-The POV I'm giving is from the Vancouver,BC Port. I expect the Ports in USA pay a killing too.

So very easily alot of the folk fall into the wrong paths after making so much cash, and have drug problems ect.
Ive had a Port Foremen tell me he's seen a worker get canned on site for drinking while driving trucks on the port, Also stories about Dock Gantry Operators (The big huge mega cranes that unload containers off ships) being high on coke while working. Im adding this because of the buffoon who came out and antagonized the TV crew, looks like the typical alcoholic.

I'm not a longshoremen BTW

edit on 13-9-2011 by mkultracanuck because: Added to Paragraph

>> There are NEVER any "good unions" when the Union Busters start their PR campaigns.

We've got Wall STreet chock full of embezzlers, liars, cheats, banksters and missing trillions -- yet THESE financial services companies are still operating. IMAGINE if some Longshoreman ONCE stole a Billion Dollars! Even ONCE! It would never leave the headlines.

I'm not an expert on the "rightness or wrongness" of the Longshoreman's union -- however, I'm happy they are there because SO FAR, we haven't had bombs and nukes reach our shores.

.... did you know? George Bush tried to sell a lot of the Ports to Dubai to manage the shipping in an effort to break the unions. How comfortable would you feel if someone with NO FAMILY in the United States, no identity here, were to take over the "gateways to the USA"?


Seriously -- I don't fricken' care how CORRUPT the Longshoreman may or may not be -- I expect it's going to be exaggerated. The LAST thing we need to do is get rid of another bunch of protected jobs while NOBODY is getting new ones or even raises. Why don't we have a moratorium on ANY Union Busting until we've got a handle on all the corruption, lack of investment, and offshoring of jobs?

At least the people unloading the boats importing goods cannot have jobs shipped overseas.

Do we have a track record of things getting better by Privatization? All I know is my "private" utility bills are all quadruple what they were, Air Traffic Controllers and Pilots are overworked and breaking at the seams, and I get ripped off by ALL SORTS OF LARGE COMPANIES -- while my local news station only finds corruption by independent mechanics and city workers -- no advertisers need worry.