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Wrong Paul (NAFTA superhighway, spending on overseas military, Ronald Reagan quotes)

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posted on Sep, 10 2011 @ 04:07 PM
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let me start out saying I Am Voting For Ron Paul,

the following is an email i received from my aunt, (who knows where she got it) the title of the email is

Wrong Paul

it contains three main points that are anti Ron Paul, the topics are as listed in the thread title, nafta's superhighway (the email claims its a myth and Ron Paul is wacko for believing it), overseas spending on military (the email claims ron paul says we spend 1 trillion per year and he is wrong), and Ron Paul's association to Ronald Reagen quotes (the email says Ron Paul didnt like Ronald Reagen before and his association to him now is a flip flop)


so what i have created this thread for is to investigate these claims and attempt to provide the most succinct, clear, factual, evidence sourced, documentation for the TRUTH of these claims,

i fully expect them to be over blown propaganda warping and taking out of context the reality of the matters, as is typical with any sort of anti Ron Paul statements, it seems to be the only way they can ever figure out how to attack him,

lets prove it one way or the other here in this thread for these three topics, please dont post in this thread if you are not contributing to the investigation into these three topics, it would be helpful if we can have only posts which cut right to the heart of uncovering the facts in the wild outlandish claims in this email,

(yes i did ats search these issues already, but did not find a thread specifically addressing Ron Pauls association to the issues.)

i will post the email i received in the next posts below >>




posted on Sep, 10 2011 @ 04:07 PM
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Wrong Paul
Fantasy, fallacy and factual fumbles from the Republican insurgent.
February 11, 2008
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Summary
Ron Paul doesn’t have much of a chance of winning the Republican nomination, but he persists with his well-funded campaign and even talks of turning it into a permanent "Revolution" that will continue far beyond 2008.
We’ve given his statements little attention until now. But here we look at some of his more outlandish claims:

Paul claims that a secret conspiracy composed of the Security and Prosperity Partnership and a cabal of foreign companies is behind plans to build a NAFTA Superhighway as the first step toward creating a North American Union. But the NAFTA Superhighway that Paul describes is a myth, and the groups supposedly behind the plans are neither secret nor nefarious.

Paul says that the U.S. spends $1 trillion per year to maintain a foreign empire and suggests that we could save that amount by cutting foreign spending. Paul gets that figure by including a lot of domestic programs that he isn’t planning to cut, like the U.S. Border Patrol and interest payments on the debt.

Paul has run television ads touting an endorsement from Ronald Reagan, but he fails to mention that, in 1988, Paul wanted "to totally disassociate" himself from the Reagan administration.

Analysis

Ron Paul’s candidacy is something of an enigma. His impressive fundraising and his legions of dedicated volunteers suggest that he could be among the front-runners in contention for the Republican nomination. Yet his national poll numbers hover consistently just above the margin of error, and on Super Tuesday, he finished last in 17 of 21 contests, including California, where he lost to a candidate who had already withdrawn from the race. He admits he has little hope of winning the nomination.

"Ron Paul" is the most searched term on our site, and until recently, those searches revealed only that Paul had participated in a whole lot of Republican debates. We applied our efforts to candidates with odds of becoming the nominee.

Yet Paul says he will not drop out of the race, and indeed talks of a perpetual campaign. In a message to his followers Feb. 8, he said:

Paul: If I may quote Trotsky of all people, this Revolution is permanent. It will not end at the Republican convention. It will not end in November. It will not end until we have won the great battle on which we have embarked.

So, given the ardency of Paul’s supporters and the scores of e-mails requesting that we write about him, we decided to take a look at Paul’s claims. Here’s some of what we found.

Paging Fox Mulder
According to Paul, a secret organization run by unaccountable government figures is in league with foreign corporations who are all bent on usurping American sovereignty. That’s not from the script for a new X-Files movie. (Or not that we know of.) It’s the gist of Paul’s description of a supposed "NAFTA Superhighway." Paul describes it on his Web site as "a ten-lane colossus the width of several football fields, with freight and rail lines, fiber-optic cable lines, and oil and natural gas pipelines running alongside." And that’s not all. According to Paul, the ultimate plan is to form a North American Union with a single currency and unlimited travel within its borders, all headed up by "an unholy alliance of foreign consortiums and officials from several governments" that together form the shadowy "quasi-government organization called the ‘Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America,’ or SPP."

The problem with Paul’s claim is that there are no plans to build a NAFTA Superhighway. Or a North American Union, for that matter. And while the Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America does exist, it’s just a boring bureaucracy.

Like many conspiracy theories, this one is a mixture of fact and fiction. improvements to existing roads, but is not lobbying for, or planning to build, any new thoroughfares. From the NASCO That scary-looking map, with lines that rumor suggested were drawn to scale, is the product of an actual group called North America’s SuperCorridor Organization (NASCO), which is a consortium of public and private entities. But contrary to conspiracy theorists, the map does not show a new highway. Those bright blue lines show only I-35 and I-29 – interstates that already exist. On its Web site, NASCO says it and some of the local governments along I-35 have been referring to that route as the "NAFTA Superhighway" for years. NASCO advocates Web site:


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posted on Sep, 10 2011 @ 04:08 PM
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NASCO: "NAFTA Superhighway" – As of late, there has been much media attention given to the "new, proposed NAFTA Superhighway". NASCO and the cities, counties, states and provinces along our existing Interstate Highways 35/29/94 (the NASCO Corridor) have been referring to I-35 as the ‘NAFTA Superhighway’ for many years, as I-35 already carries a substantial amount of international trade with Mexico, the United States and Canada. There are no plans to build a new NAFTA Superhighway – it exists today as I-35.

In terms of new roads, there are, in fact, plans for a Trans-Texas Corridor, a road that would be (in spots) several football fields wide. And the road would be financed by a private company (which is partially Spanish-owned) that would then charge tolls to recoup its investment. But the TTC was approved by the Texas Legislature and the governor of Texas. It is a state initiative, but it is not part of a NAFTA Superhighway, nor is it the product of a shadowy federal conspiracy.

Indeed, Ian Grossman, a spokesman with the Federal Highway Administration told the Los Angeles Times, "There is no such superhighway like the one [Paul is] talking about. It doesn’t exist, in plans or anywhere else."

The other parts of the conspiracy are much the same. The SPP – that "quasi-government organization" – is really an actual government organization, organized through the White House. According to David Bohigian, an assistant secretary of commerce, the SPP is a bureaucratic dialog staffed by mid-level officials from the U.S., Canada and Mexico who work to synchronize customs, security and regulations. "Simple stuff," Bohigian told The Nation last August, "like, for instance, in the U.S. we sell baby food in several different sizes; in Canada, it’s just two different sizes." Not exactly cloak-and-dagger stuff.

The SPP has a factsheet on its Web site that attempts to put to rest all the tall tales surrounding it. And if that isn’t enough, the Washington Post’s Fact Checker, Newsweek and the urban legend site Snopes.com all have previously debunked this particular bit of conspiracy-theorizing.
Of course, maybe they’re all in on it, too.


About That Trillion Dollar Empire

In debates, Paul has claimed the U.S. spends a trillion dollars on a "foreign operation" each year to maintain an "empire":

Paul (Jan. 30): So, yes, this money should be spent back here at home. We have a $1 trillion foreign operation to operate our empire. That’s where the money is. You can’t keep borrowing from China. You can’t keep printing the money.

One should be suspicious of this number right away. The nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office projects total spending for the current fiscal year to be about $2.9 trillion. President Bush’s proposed fiscal 2009 budget would top $3 trillion for the first time. In fiscal 2008, a total of almost $1.8 trillion goes to mandatory spending on programs like Medicare and Social Security and to interest on the debt. That leaves just under $1.1 trillion in total discretionary spending, of which $572 billion goes to defense spending. Even if we called the entire defense budget an overseas cost of maintaining an empire – and then kicked in the entire $50.6 billion budget for the State Department and international programs – Paul is still $378 billion short.

When we asked the Paul campaign for some documentation for the $1 trillion claim, it directed us to an opinion piece by a fellow at the libertarian-leaning Independent Institute. The article argues that in 2006, the U.S. actually spent just under $1 trillion on defense. To arrive at that figure, the study included a number of items that one might generally not think of as defense spending, including the Department of Homeland Security, the State Department, one-third of the funding for the FBI and half of NASA’s funding. The numbers also include medical and retirement pay for veterans and a large portion of interest on the debt.

So it turns out that what Paul says is a trillion dollars for a "foreign operation" includes a lot of things that seem pretty domestic to us. For example:

The entire U.S. Border Patrol

Every military base in the United States and all the 1.4 million full-time military personnel (not just those serving overseas)

Background checks for new immigrants
Inspections of incoming cargo
All airport security programs
The issuing of U.S. passports
The FBI’s counter-terrorism unit
92 percent of the interest payments on the national debt

Obviously Paul isn’t advocating defaulting on U.S. Savings Bonds or doing away with border security, or even closing all U.S. embassies overseas. But that makes it all the more misleading for him to suggest that cutting out this "foreign operation" could save $1 trillion per year.
A Flipper on the Gipper


Ron Paul Ad: "The Only One"
Narrator: Who among these men has never supported a tax increase? Never supported an unbalanced budget? Never supported wasteful government spending?
Narrator: Congressman Ron Paul: The taxpayer’s best friend.
Narrator: We need to keep him fighting for our country.
Ron Paul: I’m Ron Paul and I approve this message.
In a recent television ad titled "The Only One," Paul claims to be the only candidate never to vote for a tax increase, pass an unbalanced budget or support wasteful government spending. The ad closes with the narrator saying, "We need to keep him fighting for our country." The words are attributed to Ronald Reagan. Paul uses a longer version of the quotation on his Web page:

From Ron Paul Web site: “Ron Paul is one of the outstanding leaders fighting for a stronger national defense. As a former Air Force officer, he knows well the needs of our armed forces, and he always puts them first.” – Ronald Reagan

Paul’s embrace of Reagan’s legacy represents a significant change of heart. Actually, it’s the second time that Paul has changed his mind about Reagan. After endorsing Reagan for president in 1976 and again in 1980, Paul became disenchanted, leaving the Republican party in 1987. The following year, he told the Los Angeles Times:

Paul (May 10, 1988): The American people have never reached this point of disgust with politicians before. I want to totally disassociate myself from the Reagan Administration.

Paul’s disaffection started early in Reagan’s presidency. "Ronald Reagan has given us a deficit 10 times greater than what we had with the Democrats," Paul told the Christian Science Monitor in 1987. "It didn’t take more than a month after 1981, to realize there would be no changes."

Sometime between 1988 (during Paul’s run for the presidency on the Libertarian Party ticket) and 1996 (when Paul, running as a Republican once more, successfully ousted an incumbent House member in a GOP primary), Paul once again embraced Reagan’s legacy. The New York Times reported then that Paul had used the longer version of the Reagan quote in a videotape sent to 30,000 households. According to the Times, Reagan’s former attorney general, Edwin Meese III, flew to Texas "to insist that Mr. Reagan had offered no recent endorsements."
We were unable to document Reagan’s endorsement of Paul. When we asked the Paul campaign for documentation, a spokesperson told us that the campaign was "a little more focused on positive things." The Paul campaign did not provide the Times with a date for the quotation in 1996, either.
Introduction to Logic



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posted on Sep, 10 2011 @ 04:25 PM
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As Ron Paul said he supported Regan's polices but then Regan did a 180 and Paul didn't like where Regan was going so he left the party. And why are they complaining about him using a longer quote? Is it because it explains his point of view? Also could you provide a link?



posted on Sep, 10 2011 @ 04:31 PM
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this came to me in my email, there was no link i have no idea if it has been pulled from a website or someone just threw it together and chain mailed it around,

if there is a website source for the email i ALSO would really like to see it



posted on Sep, 10 2011 @ 04:38 PM
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You can expect anything and everything from TPTB especially when it comes to Ron Paul. They are know for the biggest liars and the controlling the largest propaganda machine the world has ever known. They are getting upset that they can't shur him down through regular tactics so they will keep pulling more tricks out of their bag of goodies. Maybe the best thing to do is find out where these are coming from and block them from coming to your e-mails. My new thing is unplug from MSM since they are always worried about the number of watchers they have. Unplug to Obama and NWO crowd show theym we don't care what they have to say. Are they really important? Not to me only to themselves. Unplug these e-mails make complaints about spam. No one want s to read them they will quit sending.



posted on Sep, 10 2011 @ 04:51 PM
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Military spending...here's one that will make you laugh.


The United States spent $150 million building a highway/bridges to connect the islands of Palau.

We've even been giving them free $20 million+ a year for years until they were to be set free in September 2009.



Well Palau told Obama "give us $200 million or we'll find a new friend". Meaning they would side with China.
Obama gave them $250 million and free millions annually until 2043.


Ummmm......why are we doing that? Wasteful Overseas military spending.


Obama should have called their bluff and let them have China as their friend to see how good they'd get it.

China would have turned them into a Naval Base and polluted the crap out of them.


That's just 1 place we waste money. And get nothing in return for the free money we give them. Just lots of people there who hate us. New Zealand has been covertly working that place making it anti-American and helping China be their friends.


So....why haven't we bombed or atleast punished New Zealand?....I see....

We've got to keep pouring money into them as well to try and buy them as our friends.

Now see why Americans have no jobs and our money disappears?



posted on Sep, 10 2011 @ 05:05 PM
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As far as I care as not being there, I follow this thread.
In a choice between 2 evils rep\dem , It's time to bring in the one to put those 2 in line, and return to a free and
fair gov. with Ron Paul.



posted on Sep, 10 2011 @ 05:16 PM
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Originally posted by pryingopen3rdeye
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this came to me in my email, there was no link i have no idea if it has been pulled from a website or someone just threw it together and chain mailed it around,

if there is a website source for the email i ALSO would really like to see it


This is where the article came from. Wrong Paul



posted on Sep, 10 2011 @ 08:47 PM
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Ron Paul is telling the truth on all of these fronts its TPTB that do not like the fact that he is telling it. Thus the attempt to make it sound like he is crazy without actually refuting what he is saying.

Trans Tx Corridor is a real thing and is absolutely the first phase in this NAFTA Superhighway madness. There were Men and Woman with guns ready to defend their land from Imminent Rick Perry domain. Trust me...Texas will fight to the death to prevent this BullS***



posted on Sep, 11 2011 @ 05:21 PM
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you know i dont doubt that, really, but if we want to get Ron Paul some more votes then we gotta PROVE IT

it shouldnt be to hard lets dig up some evidence to back it up,

prove the existence of the plans for the nafta super highway,

prove the amount spent on overseas military,

prove the Ronald Reagen Qoutes



i think the nafta superhighway is probably the most important one



posted on Sep, 11 2011 @ 05:44 PM
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Originally posted by buster2010

Originally posted by pryingopen3rdeye
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this came to me in my email, there was no link i have no idea if it has been pulled from a website or someone just threw it together and chain mailed it around,

if there is a website source for the email i ALSO would really like to see it


This is where the article came from. Wrong Paul


ah factcheck a very strong supportive site of Obama if i may add?
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posted on Sep, 11 2011 @ 05:45 PM
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it shouldnt be to hard lets dig up some evidence to back it up, prove the existence of the plans for the nafta super highway,


I have been following this issue since i joined ATS since 2006 the nafta super highway is real, and there is map of the highway to prove it, but it seems your agaisnt ron paul arent you eh? you hate liberty and freedom?



posted on Sep, 11 2011 @ 05:48 PM
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So you wanted proof eh?
Heres the group that watches the Superhighway and its projects

Source

maps of the superhighway in Texas
source

this isnt made up stuff kid.



posted on Sep, 11 2011 @ 10:06 PM
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did you read the first line of the first post of this entire thread? i said i AM voting FOR Ron Paul
lol


the point here is my aunt (mom's sister) emailed this to me, they both want to vote for rick perry, this email they sent me is the only thing they have said anti Ron Paul, so im hoping with the help of some ats'rs i can prove to them this email is factually inaccurate or just flat out lies and wrong, thats my hope anyway,

i figure if we can do that in this thread then not only might my aunt and mom be swayed in their vote but likewise so may others who find this thread, since MSM has used these specific issues to be anti ron paul then us debunking these anti Ron claims in this thread ought to HELP Ron Paul
kay?

thx for the help

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