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I'm Confused...Do the 9/11 Truthers believe that Al Qaeda exists? And Means us harm?

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posted on Sep, 10 2011 @ 03:35 PM
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Originally posted by TsukiLunar
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Where is your evidence that they exist? They are a myth like evolution and gravity.

Ron Paul 2012!


Was this satire, or are you being serious?




posted on Sep, 10 2011 @ 03:38 PM
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I have a friend from Afghanistan who allegedly had an uncle who was killed by US troops for trying to destroy opium crops.

It's an excellent source of money when you sanction the distribution of something AND it's illegal within your borders.



posted on Sep, 10 2011 @ 03:41 PM
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Originally posted by jessejamesxx

Originally posted by TsukiLunar
reply to post by MRuss
 


Where is your evidence that they exist? They are a myth like evolution and gravity.

Ron Paul 2012!


Was this satire, or are you being serious?

Satire of course! No one is that ridicul- wait... never mind.



posted on Sep, 10 2011 @ 03:43 PM
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Originally posted by EmilNomel

Originally posted by MRuss
I'm truly asking because this because I'm trying to learn--not to challenge the truthers.

So, if 9/11 was an inside job then does that mean that all AQ threats are still part of the "inside?"

Do you believe Al Qaeda exists and means to harm us?

Is one mutually exclusive of the other?


Al Qaeda was trained by the CIA... it is a part of the CIA
so yes, AQ threats are still part of the "inside"

U.S. government, CIA, and Al Qaeda are mere puppets and marionettes of the master puppeteer(s)

and who is the master of puppets??


Metallica.



posted on Sep, 10 2011 @ 03:46 PM
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Originally posted by MRuss
I'm truly asking because this because I'm trying to learn--not to challenge the truthers.

So, if 9/11 was an inside job then does that mean that all AQ threats are still part of the "inside?"

Do you believe Al Qaeda exists and means to harm us?

Is one mutually exclusive of the other?


It is possible that they do not exist at all but then again it is possible that they do. We have no proof either way.

They could have been completely made up to suit someones agenda or they could have already existed and used to suit said someones agenda.

One thing I do know is that there are holes in the official story and we did not get the whole truth. That is all, everything else is based on speculation no matter the evidence it is based from. Some things can look like one thing but could really be something else entirely. If that makes sense to anyone lol

Edit: The first part was mostly ment to be humorous in case anyone didn't get that.
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posted on Sep, 10 2011 @ 03:47 PM
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Originally posted by My.mind.is.mine
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What's in Afghanistan?

heroin!






posted on Sep, 10 2011 @ 03:50 PM
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Thank you for that.. Also, from wikipedia:


In the industrialized world, the United States is the world's biggest consumer of prescription opioids, with Italy one of the lowest because of tighter regulations on prescribing narcotics for pain relief.[96] Most opium imported into the United States is broken down into its alkaloid constituents, and whether legal or illegal, most current drug use occurs with processed derivatives such as heroin rather than with pure and untouched opium.


source



posted on Sep, 10 2011 @ 03:55 PM
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Originally posted by My.mind.is.mine
reply to post by MortlitantiFMMJ
 


What's in Afghanistan?

heroin!



Afghanistan now supplies over 90 percent of the world’s heroin, generating nearly $200 billion in revenue.

Since the U.S. invasion on Oct. 7, 2001, opium output has increased 33-fold (to over 8,250 metric tons a year).

The U.S. has been in Afghanistan for over seven years, has spent $177 billion in that country alone.

Afghan President Hamid Karzai has been in training and on CIA's payroll since mid-1990s.

He is a a Central Intelligence Agency covert operator since the 1980s that collaborated with the CIA in funding U.S aid to the Taliban(!)

Capturing a new, abundant source for heroin was an integral part of the U.S. “war on terror.” after the 'golden triangle' where CIA's heroine-opium operation used to be until pulling out of Vietnam, Cambodia, & Laos

Hamid Karzai is a puppet ruler installed by the CIA; Afghanistan is a full-fledged narco-state

In 2003 when the Bush administration refused to destroy the opium poppy crops.

U.S. Army planes to this day leave Afghanistan carrying coffins empty of war 'casualties' around the clock.

They are filled with drugs.Todays heroine plague is truly of its own making.

Same thing for Terrorism.




posted on Sep, 10 2011 @ 04:01 PM
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First off one needs to look into Al Qaeda.....

what was it's formation trulely.....


Secret Armies’ or Terrorist Groups?

These “stay behind” armies colluded with, funded and often even directed terrorist organizations throughout Europe in what was termed a “strategy of tension” with the aim of preventing a rise of the left in Western European politics. NATO’s “secret armies” engaged in subversive and criminal activities in several countries. In Turkey in 1960, the stay behind army, working with the army, staged a coup d’état and killed Prime Minister Adnan Menderes; in Algeria in 1961, the French stay-behind army staged a coup with the CIA against the French government of Algiers, which ultimately failed; in 1967, the Greek stay-behind army staged a coup and imposed a military dictatorship; in 1971 in Turkey, after a military coup, the stay-behind army engaged in “domestic terror” and killed hundreds; in 1977 in Spain, the stay behind army carried out a massacre in Madrid; in 1980 in Turkey, the head of the stay behind army staged a coup and took power; in 1985 in Belgium, the stay behind attacked and shot shoppers randomly in supermarkets, killing 28; in Switzerland in 1990, the former head of the Swiss stay behind wrote the US Defense Department he would reveal “the whole truth,” and was found the next day stabbed to death with his own bayonet; and in 1995, England revealed that the MI6 and SAS helped set up stay behind armies across Western Europe.


you see the conundrums that can be presented here....it all depends on the form the Al Qaeda exists in now doesn't it....now after the russians left Afghanistan the CIA did have a stay behind army existing there...and this could be another ruse upon the world stage...now If you believe some stroies about OBL...then why not not look into the possible Tim Osman connection...and of course what better why to end the speculation than to kill off OBL...which i personally think he was killed off shortly after 911 to keep the game afloat.

but heck a burial at sea and poof OBL is gone from the world under the guise of they did not want to make a martyr of him by giving him a place of burial where fanactics could congregate.....wow.

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posted on Sep, 10 2011 @ 04:05 PM
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Do you believe Al Qaeda exists and means to harm us?

"Truthers" only believe the lies they purpetuate! They have been blinded by their hatred of President Bush, and the United States government. Al Qaeda has absolutely nothing to do with that!

See ya,
Milt



posted on Sep, 10 2011 @ 04:06 PM
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The news and politicians can tell you anything and people will buy it. Does Al qaeda exists? According to the news they do. according to politicians they do.. have you ever met someone who has met an Al qaeda member? Have you yourself met a member?

eventually they will tell you theres a radical group who calls themselves Legion, or Dingleberries.. would it make a difference if they exist? a name is a name.. the actions and attacks are real. So someone is Al qaeda. and that someone is probably the CIA.

Then again, have you ever met a CIA agent? Does the CIA exist? cause they aren't supposed to tell you they work for Langley.



posted on Sep, 10 2011 @ 04:08 PM
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I'm sure this will be said multiple times but most believe al Qaeda is al CIA-da, created by the CIA in the 80's to fight the Soviet Union and then used against the United States for much the same reason, to destroy the country through endless military spending.



posted on Sep, 10 2011 @ 04:09 PM
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Originally posted by BenReclused

Do you believe Al Qaeda exists and means to harm us?

"Truthers" only believe the lies they purpetuate! They have been blinded by their hatred of President Bush, and the United States government. Al Qaeda has absolutely nothing to do with that!

See ya,
Milt


lol

LOL....



I can't get that anymore clear. I'm laughing. Thank you.

...wait, you're serious?

Oh...

You have generalized what was once ungenerizable. Yes. UNGENERIZABLE.

So stating facts of the matter, means little importance to you, I suppose, since we are all too mentally unstable for anything else, right?

Al Qaeda just magically appeared out of nothing? You think this crap started with President Bush? LOL.



posted on Sep, 10 2011 @ 05:09 PM
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I can't get that anymore clear.

I agree! You made that point by your use of "ungenerizable". You really should work on your vocabulary skills.


So stating facts of the matter, means little importance to you, I suppose, since we are all too mentally unstable for anything else, right?

I stated a fact! If you feel otherwise, break it down, and debunk it.


Al Qaeda just magically appeared out of nothing?

It appears that you also need to work on your reading skills! I said nothing about how, or when, Al Qaeda came into existence!


You think this crap started with President Bush?

If the "crap" you refer to is the "Truther movement", I certainly do!

See ya,
Milt
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posted on Sep, 10 2011 @ 08:44 PM
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Originally posted by MRuss
I'm truly asking because this because I'm trying to learn--not to challenge the truthers.

So, if 9/11 was an inside job then does that mean that all AQ threats are still part of the "inside?"

Do you believe Al Qaeda exists and means to harm us?

Is one mutually exclusive of the other?


Who cares? The issue is physics not people!

Human beings cannot change physics. Physics is incapable of caring about patriotism or nationalism or religion.

So in order for the official story to be true then an airliner of less than 200 tons of total mass containing 34 tons of fuel had to be able to destroy a skyscraper weighing more than 400,000 tons in less than two hours.

To me it looks like people can BELIEVE that without having the simple data necessary to analyze the event. So to me most people seem to think that human behavior is more important to the fundamental workings of the universe than physics. Sometimes I can find that hilarious and sometimes it pisses me off.

So how do you think Al Queda is more important than the distribution of steel down ALL SKYSCRAPERS and why don't you expect to be given that data about the twin towers? Shouldn't the physics profession be able to build a physical model that could duplicate the behavior of the twin towers if the top really could fall and crush the lower portions?

www.youtube.com...

psik



posted on Sep, 10 2011 @ 08:51 PM
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Many truthers understand that Al Qaeda is a cia branch. Just saying.



posted on Sep, 10 2011 @ 09:45 PM
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* Al Qaeda is a creation of the CIA. It is simply a database of names of jihadists who were trained to fight against the Russians during the Afghan-Soviet conflict. *






posted on Sep, 10 2011 @ 09:56 PM
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Originally posted by Unity_99
Many truthers understand that Al Qaeda is a cia branch. Just saying.


No, the CIA trained the Mujahadeen for the Afghanistan-Russia war. Its just that Truthers have no idea what they ar talking about, are poorly informed on the facts, and then make things up to cover up what they dont know.

The Mujahadeen were the rebel forces fighting the Russians. There were many factions in the Mujahadeen. Al Qaeda came into being during 1988-89 era. They branched off and were the radicalized sect of Islam.

They are responsible for bombings around the world. They start sectarian violence amongst the Muslim world.

Its sad that Truthers cant even tell the difference between Mujahadeen and Al-Qaeda .



posted on Sep, 10 2011 @ 09:56 PM
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Originally posted by BenReclused

Do you believe Al Qaeda exists and means to harm us?

"Truthers" only believe the lies they purpetuate! They have been blinded by their hatred of President Bush, and the United States government. Al Qaeda has absolutely nothing to do with that!

See ya,
Milt
It was and continues to be Bushes fault. Obama and the rest continues the charade, of course.
The world as we knew it ended in 2001.



posted on Sep, 10 2011 @ 10:01 PM
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Originally posted by GenRadek

Originally posted by Unity_99
Many truthers understand that Al Qaeda is a cia branch. Just saying.


No, the CIA trained the Mujahadeen for the Afghanistan-Russia war. Its just that Truthers have no idea what they ar talking about, are poorly informed on the facts, and then make things up to cover up what they dont know.

The Mujahadeen were the rebel forces fighting the Russians. There were many factions in the Mujahadeen. Al Qaeda came into being during 1988-89 era. They branched off and were the radicalized sect of Islam.


That is the problem with getting involved with subjects like this. It is nothing but he said she said. If the CIA created Al Qeada the pro-government people won't believe it. If the CIA had nothing whatsoever to do with Al Qaeda the anti-government people won't believe it. There is no HARD evidence for things like that.

psik



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