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I'm Confused...Do the 9/11 Truthers believe that Al Qaeda exists? And Means us harm?

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posted on Sep, 10 2011 @ 02:53 PM
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I'm truly asking because this because I'm trying to learn--not to challenge the truthers.

So, if 9/11 was an inside job then does that mean that all AQ threats are still part of the "inside?"

Do you believe Al Qaeda exists and means to harm us?

Is one mutually exclusive of the other?




posted on Sep, 10 2011 @ 02:59 PM
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Where is your evidence that they exist? They are a myth like evolution and gravity.

Ron Paul 2012!



posted on Sep, 10 2011 @ 03:01 PM
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Beliefs may vary.
911 truthers however do share the belief that our govt had some sort of a hand in it however.

Two things are certain.

The Muslim world does despise the US and its ways

The Muslim worldwide thinks that bin laden and company didn't carry out the attacks and that it was a false flag.

What does that tell you?



posted on Sep, 10 2011 @ 03:01 PM
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speaking personally: I haven't seen any proof of their existence. I've heard more proof AGAINST their existence from people who were born and raised and have recently been to places such as Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iraq, and Yemen. Their existence outside of one video from a "training" camp that has been played repeatedly since 2001, and "internet forums" is non from my point of view.


eta: and what the hell kind of "terrorists" use forums to plan attacks anyway??



posted on Sep, 10 2011 @ 03:02 PM
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so you're saying that only muslims believe that 9/11 was an inside job?

I know plenty of muslims who believe that it was a terrorist attack - hence the muslims who spend their days apologizing.

your generalizations suck.

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posted on Sep, 10 2011 @ 03:07 PM
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Al Qaeda is an American invention. They were a proxxy asset in the 80's.
Funded, armed and trained to do the bidding of the United States.

My guess is they were contracted for 9/11 by the CIA, Mossad and Saudi royals so that the US/NATO alliance could invade the Middle East to extract natural and human resources with a justification of being struck first.

Part of the plan was taking Afghanistan and Iraq, setting the stage for Libya and the revolutions which preceded it just like the colour revolutions in the Caucasus which led to a brief war between Georgia and Russia during the '08 Olympics.

They are the perfect scapegoat, their organization has been advertised as to recruit natural born terrorists into the region so there will always be a resistance to fight against and legitimize the NATO alliance's work in the region.



posted on Sep, 10 2011 @ 03:08 PM
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Originally posted by MRuss
I'm truly asking because this because I'm trying to learn--not to challenge the truthers.

So, if 9/11 was an inside job then does that mean that all AQ threats are still part of the "inside?"

Do you believe Al Qaeda exists and means to harm us?

Is one mutually exclusive of the other?


Al Qaeda was trained by the CIA... it is a part of the CIA
so yes, AQ threats are still part of the "inside"

U.S. government, CIA, and Al Qaeda are mere puppets and marionettes of the master puppeteer(s)

and who is the master of puppets??



posted on Sep, 10 2011 @ 03:12 PM
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They believe it was a terrorist attack because it was a terrorist attack. The question is who are the terrorists? It doesn't matter if you are Muslim or believe in the flying spaghetti monster, everyone was taken in by this crap.

Nit saying its only Muslims who think it was an inside job. I implying that the Muslim community believes that this al qaeda business is crap.

The thread was asking if the truth movement believed in the existence of al qaeda. I was referencing a source for disbelief. Maybe I wasn't too clear. Sounded OK at the time.

Who cares.
Either the way the world has been # for the last ten years because of 911 and it seems world leaders aren't doing anything to make it better. That's the real issue here.

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posted on Sep, 10 2011 @ 03:13 PM
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I believe it is pronounced "All-CIA-duh!" Much like they have done in other countries certain intelligence agents are behind gathering, training, and directing the indigenous population in order to appear that they are not behind the screen pulling the strings.



posted on Sep, 10 2011 @ 03:13 PM
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Originally posted by metaldemon2000
reply to post by My.mind.is.mine
 


They believe it was a terrorist attack because it was a terrorist attack. The question is who are the terrorists? It doesn't matter if you are Muslim or believe in the flying spaghetti monster, everyone was taken in by this crap.


you say it doesn't matter, yet in your first post you made it a point to speak about muslims, not even yourself. so make up your mind: does ones religion matter or not??



posted on Sep, 10 2011 @ 03:16 PM
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Originally posted by yourmaker
Al Qaeda is an American invention. They were a proxxy asset in the 80's.
Funded, armed and trained to do the bidding of the United States.

My guess is they were contracted for 9/11 by the CIA, Mossad and Saudi royals so that the US/NATO alliance could invade the Middle East to extract natural and human resources with a justification of being struck first.

Part of the plan was taking Afghanistan and Iraq, setting the stage for Libya and the revolutions which preceded it just like the colour revolutions in the Caucasus which led to a brief war between Georgia and Russia during the '08 Olympics.

They are the perfect scapegoat, their organization has been advertised as to recruit natural born terrorists into the region so there will always be a resistance to fight against and legitimize the NATO alliance's work in the region.


What resources does Afghanistan have that could justify that expense? And alot of the Iraqi oil contracts went to China



posted on Sep, 10 2011 @ 03:18 PM
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Originally posted by metaldemon2000
Beliefs may vary.
911 truthers however do share the belief that our govt had some sort of a hand in it however.

Two things are certain.

The Muslim world does despise the US and its ways

The Muslim worldwide thinks that bin laden and company didn't carry out the attacks and that it was a false flag.

What does that tell you?


Yes there is one Muslim world, a collective. And it hates us so much! They invade our countries and steal our oil.
They killed almost 3,000 of their own citizens, and then said Bush did it. Bush denied it and went into hiding. We found Bush on the 10th year after his atrocities upon his own people, and buried him at sea. Its certain he did it so he does not need a trial. There's Bush juniors after us now though .Quick, everyone run and hide!



posted on Sep, 10 2011 @ 03:20 PM
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Originally posted by MRuss
I'm truly asking because this because I'm trying to learn--not to challenge the truthers.

So, if 9/11 was an inside job then does that mean that all AQ threats are still part of the "inside?"

Do you believe Al Qaeda exists and means to harm us?

Is one mutually exclusive of the other?


It all depends on what your idea of Al Qaeda is, and what you mean by "us", Paleface?



posted on Sep, 10 2011 @ 03:21 PM
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Originally posted by MortlitantiFMMJ
What resources does Afghanistan have that could justify that expense? And alot of the Iraqi oil contracts went to China



KABUL, Afghanistan – KABUL, Afghanistan (AP) — Afghanistan is gearing up to award contracts to mine one the world's largest iron ore deposits buried in a peaceful province of the war-torn nation that has at least $3 trillion in untapped minerals, the country's top mining official said Thursday.

Geologists have known for decades about Afghanistan's vast deposits of iron, copper, cobalt, gold and other prized minerals, but a U.S. Department of Defense briefing earlier this week put a startling, nearly $1 trillion price tag on the reserves.



Afghanistan's mining minister is vowing transparency in the awarding of contracts to exploit what he says is the country's nearly $3 trillion in untapped mineral wealth


$3 trillion might jusitfy it a bit.

it's not like we need them (oil contracts) after we hit the motherload with the Rebel NTC in Libya or the oilsands projects currently gearing up in the Alberta tarsands.



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posted on Sep, 10 2011 @ 03:26 PM
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Originally posted by ignant
Yes there is one Muslim world, a collective. And it hates us so much! They invade our countries and steal our oil.
They killed almost 3,000 of their own citizens, and then said Bush did it. Bush denied it and went into hiding. We found Bush on the 10th year after his atrocities upon his own people, and buried him at sea. Its certain he did it so he does not need a trial. There's Bush juniors after us now though .Quick, everyone run and hide!


you have very interesting point of view



posted on Sep, 10 2011 @ 03:26 PM
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Really what does Afghanistan have?

U.S. Identifies Vast Mineral Riches in Afghanistan



posted on Sep, 10 2011 @ 03:27 PM
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Yes! 9/11 truthers know they exist, because we(the U.S.) help train and arm them for the war with the Russians



posted on Sep, 10 2011 @ 03:29 PM
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What's in Afghanistan?

heroin!




posted on Sep, 10 2011 @ 03:34 PM
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Originally posted by My.mind.is.mine
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What's in Afghanistan?

heroin!



that's borderline for me. I've always remained cautious when approaching that subject because part of me wants to believe they wouldn't do such a thing....naive, right?



the occupation has wrought one massive transformation in Afghanistan, a development so huge that it has increased Afghan GDP by 66 per cent and constitutes 40 per cent of the entire economy.
That is a startling achievement, by any standards. Yet we are not trumpeting it. Why not?

The achievement is the highest harvests of opium the world has ever seen.

The Taliban had reduced the opium crop to precisely nil. They stamped out the opium trade, and impoverished and drove out the drug warlords whose warring and rapacity had ruined what was left of the country after the Soviet war.

That is about the only good thing you can say about the Taliban; their suppression of the opium trade and the drug barons is undeniable fact.

Now we are occupying the country, that has changed. According to the United Nations, 2006 was the biggest opium harvest in history, smashing the previous record by 60 per cent.


July 24th, 2007 www.globalresearch.ca...
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posted on Sep, 10 2011 @ 03:34 PM
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In my opinion the AQ is real we trained them as others have stated. I have also heard from military friends that the AQ are just a spur of the Mujaheddin, and that Al Qaeda was just the name of the data base the CIA stored information on them. So I am still really open to what AQ is, but they do exist but who funds them is the real question. We know the US has funded both sides of a war before this so....




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