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The truth about islam.

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posted on Aug, 23 2004 @ 06:49 PM
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Every day I watch the news, and every day I see Muslims in the headlines, whether it be a rebel force fighting to try and create an Islamic state in a province half way across the world or to an honour killing in a suburban western town. Anyone with half a brain knows that not every Muslim is a terrorist.



The problem with Muslims goes far beyond a fanatic terrorist cell blowing up buildings for some false cause. It is also in immigration., stable, friendly societies get destroyed because of the Muslim presence. Muslims can not, and do not want to assimilate into western society. Which makes people wonder why they emigrate. Did you know that the Muslims in England tried to get a Muslim only zone in a one mile radius around a London mosque?


I even read a report which said in Norway Muslims make up less then 2% of the population yet they use 44% of the welfare. This case is similar throughout a lot of Scandinavia. They do not attempt to learn the language and the youth form gangs and look for nothing but trouble. In poor Muslim countries there is no hope of a future for most children but their parents choose to have large numbers of children anyway, and please do not spit out that garbage that it is so the children can later support the parents.


Most of the countries that the so called Muslim refugee's are fleeing from have been destroyed by war and poverty but why is this? how did this happen? Muslim fanatics in Afghanistan. A Muslim fanatical baathe party in Iraq. The society of Islam is not a peaceful one and never will be.


The oppression of women, a difficult topic. Most Muslim women will say they are not oppressed when they are restricted from driving and are forced to wear the hijab/burqa. This is because they have never led a normal life and don't understand because they are so used to it, and it is natural for someone to stick up for their culture anyway.


Even I have had, and do have Muslim friends. This is why I am so against the religion. I have seen it up-close and seen the barbarism that it is. It is not a modern religion and has not evolved like all of the other traditionally violent religions. I could go on for pages about why this religion is sick




here are some photos, WARNING: SOME ARE GRAPHIC/NOT WORK SAFE AND YOU MAY WANT TO AVOID THEM

Muslim Parents cutting their childrens skin to make them bleed:

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suicidal muslim children:
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palestinian "summer camp"
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what a good and caring mother

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These next photos are from the annual remembrance day when Shiites mourn the death of Imam Hussein by beating themselves and cutting their own flesh to bleed.:
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Scene's of mass self-mutilation, they also hit themselves with barbed chains to make themselves bleed.
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A Hindu being beaten by Muslims in a mosque in Bangladesh. He was captured outside the mosque while going home from work. After Friday prayers were over, the Muslims came out and grabbed the first Hindu they could. Mr. Vimal Patak a Bangladeshi born Hindu was beaten to death with sticks as the Muslim mullahs (priests) chanted "kill the Kafir!" (non-Muslim). With folded hands he begged for his life and died a brutal death. It clearly shows the cruelty of Islam.

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Palestinian crowd waves interior body parts of a butchered human victim in Ramallah

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Here are some quotes fromt he koran itself




The Muslim is exhorted by their GOD to kill, mutilate, molest, rape and steal. This repetitive conditioning of the mind is performed by indoctrinating the Koranic Surahs in every Muslim child at Madarsas (Islamic schools). The Muslim child daily memorizes the Koranic Surahs which exhort him/her to murder, violence, hatred and crime against every Non-Muslim. The Muslim child learns to hate Non-Muslims, before he loses his first tooth. The doctrines that are forced down his throat are so deeply embedded in the child's mind, that he cannot view the world in any other perspective except as a composition of Muslims and Kafirs (Infidel). It is also made clear to the child that ALL Kafirs (Non-Muslims) are evil by their very nature and that it is every Muslim's moral and religious duty to either convert all the Kafirs to Islam by force or Kill each and every one of them.


IX. 5-6: Kill those who join other gods with God wherever you may find them.


[color=darkred]VIII.12 Cut off the fingertips of unbelievers
XLVII.4 Smite the neck of unbelievers
X.4 ; V.10 ; V.86 Severe Punishment for atheists
XXII.19-22 ; LXXII.23, XCVIII.6 Severe Punishment for non-believers
XVII.10 Punishing non-believers of Hereafter



Koran 8:37
In order that Allah may seperate the impure from the pure, Put All the impure ones (Non-Muslim), one on top of the another in a Heap and cast them into Hell. They will be the ones to have lost




Koran 2:8-10
In their (Non-Muslims) hearts is a disease; and Allah has increased their disease and grievous is the penalty they will incur, because they are false.



Koran 58:5
Those who resist Allah and His Messenger will be crumbled to dust, as were those before them: for we have already sent down Clear Signs and the Unbelievers will have a humiliating Penalty



Koran 2:39
Those who reject faith (Islam) and belie our signs, They shall be Companions of the Fire and abide in it.




Koran 2:89-90
The Curse of Allah is on those without faith (in Islam) Thus have they drawn wrath upon wrath on themselves and humiliating is the punishment of those who reject faith (Islam)






Koran 5:33
The Punishment for those who oppose Allah and his messenger is : Execution or Crucifixion or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides or exile from the land




PEACEFUL RELIGION? yeah right.




posted on Aug, 23 2004 @ 06:59 PM
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Let us not distort or be confused about the truth. Yes, there are Islamic "fundamentalists" who believe it is right to murder, torture, etc. Some interpret the Koran as a peacefull book, some as a violent book.

The Bible is the same way. Some quote verses from the Old Testament which speak of violence, and very crude punishments for those who are not perfect. I am a Christian, and believe the New Testament is a book of peace, and that we are not allowed to commit violent acts against other people, but be an example of Jesus. But, that's not to say all Christians feel the same way. The Klu Klux Klan claimed it was founded on Biblical pricipals. The Nazi's defended "God's chosen people (Aryans)" from the "evil" Jews. Some radical Christian parents treat their children with violence, claiming religious reasons.

In every religion, there are followers who has vastly different interpretations of the truth.



posted on Aug, 23 2004 @ 07:01 PM
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look, almost everywhere where there are muslims, there are problems
, it is an undeveloped religion.



posted on Aug, 23 2004 @ 07:08 PM
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Originally posted by Hocico
look, almost everywhere where there are muslims, there are problems
, it is an undeveloped religion.


I could say the EXACT same thing about Christianity. Name one place where Christians haven't screwed things up. Name one group Christians haven't protested against. Name a cultural revolution where Christians didn't oppose.

It's not just religion. Look at America. Name a country that America hasn't screwed up. Mankind is undeveloped, not some religion. Everywhere where there are humans, there are problems!



posted on Aug, 23 2004 @ 07:10 PM
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Three massive crusades upon their region and the slaughter of thousands of them in the name of Christianity and the western world probably doesn't help their views on us though. They are a voilent people. All they have known is voilence, most of what they have done was voilence. They lived in a region where you survived by killing eachother, they are still very barbaric, its in their nature. The religion promotes that concept aswell. Not ALL of the muslims as people are voilent, but many of them are. I know people don't like to think that because its not very "Politically Correct", well news flash, this isn't a PC world, stop acting like it should be.



posted on Aug, 23 2004 @ 07:11 PM
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Please, for your own sake, do some research before you make such vulgar and rancid claims of Islam.

Like, stated above, other faiths, Islam has been subject to corrupt leaders and perversion, it is not the fault the theology itself. There is no reason for you to employe verses out of the Koran to add more dogma to your disillusioned perspective.

Deep



posted on Aug, 23 2004 @ 07:15 PM
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Originally posted by JabbaOnTheDais
In every religion, there are followers who has vastly different interpretations of the truth.


Anyone have a clip of a major Muslim leader condeming using the Koran for evil?



posted on Aug, 23 2004 @ 07:16 PM
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Originally posted by ZeroDeep
Please, for your own sake, do some research before you make such vulgar and rancid claims of Islam.



Deep




No, you go live in a muslim country, try it out
, im coming from there so i should know what im talking about, in usa or any other western nation you wont get stonned or dicapicated because you are a kafir (infidel)


they used to call me "white infidel pig"


[edit on 23-8-2004 by Hocico]



posted on Aug, 23 2004 @ 07:20 PM
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I have been to a Muslim country, you obviously have not. I would suggest you provide me with statistics that would dictate a savage society that is the Middle East ? Being of Indian descent, I come into contact with Muslims on a day to day basis through socialization, your remarks are full of prejudice and insecurity, not rational and reason.

Maybe you should open your veil you seemed to have closed to the Islamic nation, no ?

White Pig ? So what, my parents use to tell me that White people were all evil and out to covert the world into Christianity, thats quite the moot point. Subjective arguments will win you no glory here.

Deep

[edit on 23-8-2004 by ZeroDeep]



posted on Aug, 23 2004 @ 07:26 PM
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Originally posted by ZeroDeep
I have been to a Muslim country, you obviously have not.
i have lived half of my life in uzbekistan and was attacked many times by muslim extremists


I would suggest you provide me with statistics that would dictate a savage society that is the Middle East ?
their culture is primitive, just look how they treat their woman, do i really need to show you the statistics?




posted on Aug, 23 2004 @ 07:32 PM
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ALMOST EVERY ISLAMIC NATION IS BACKWARDS, THIS is a fact, they achieved nothing, only useful thing they got is oil



posted on Aug, 23 2004 @ 07:32 PM
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You were attacked by extremists? So, in reality, your entire hatred is stemmed by the acts of a few Muslims, in a circumstance of which we have no context, and you have the God given right to label all Muslims, Savages?

You, sir, are quite disgusting.

Have you heard of the Aga Khan, the billions he and his people spend to help build hospitals, clinics, schools all over the world? His effort to fight the Aids epidemic ?

You have quite the tainted image of Islam.

Deep



posted on Aug, 23 2004 @ 07:35 PM
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Originally posted by ZeroDeep


Deep




like i said, almost every islamic nation is backward and primitive, beating of their woman is encoureged, stoning and beating of "infidels", you are considered a grade b citizen, islam is violent and primitive.



posted on Aug, 23 2004 @ 07:58 PM
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Originally posted by Hocico
ALMOST EVERY ISLAMIC NATION IS BACKWARDS, THIS is a fact, they achieved nothing, only useful thing they got is oil


"Backwards" to you, just as many things in America are "backwards" to Christians. They achieve nothing? Look at our progress. America consumes aprox. 60% of the world's resources and only makes up 5% of the population. We produce nearly all of the worlds weapons, which we sell to countries like Iraq, Iran, etc. We are backwards.



posted on Aug, 23 2004 @ 08:05 PM
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Originally posted by JabbaOnTheDais
Look at our progress.




you dont have any progress, the last time somel came out of you was 700 years ago
, who cares about your crappy little copies of soviet serplus equipment you sell?, compare your achievments to what western civilisation achieved in the past 10 years
, islam only brings backwardness.



We produce nearly all of the worlds weapons, which we sell to countries like Iraq, Iran,


and this statement alone is bullcrap, usa and russia are number one weapons exporters.

[edit on 23-8-2004 by Hocico]



posted on Aug, 23 2004 @ 08:22 PM
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Wow, when I read comments like the first one in this post, it reminds me you can lead a horse to water but can't make him drink.

Why don't you concentrate less on the faults of others and more on your own if your culture is so supieror. The hallmark of a facist individual or nation is that it defines itself by defining others.

It always cracks me up, the cliche: "I have a lot of X friends, but X people are mostly messed up."

X = Blacks, Asians, Muslims, etc.

And by the way I don't see any Muslims invading the US, or throwing Jews into concentration camps - that's what the US and Israel are doing to their countries. But of course we're not at fault whatsoever. Nah, we never supported the Shah of Iran or the SAVAK, the dictator and his secret service that drove that countries populace insane. We never supported Saddam Hussein, or any countries over there. We never called the Mujahadeen in Afghanistan freedom fighters in the 80s. None of that ever happened. Muslims have always been backwards and evil.

By the way you might want to switch to Roman numerals since numbers like 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10 are appropriately titled Arab numbers. Deny some ignorance pal, that's what the boards are for. Do you realize that these people we're fighting in Iraq are direct descendents of the people who started agriculture and writing? What suddenly happened to make those humans so stupid and backward and us so superior? We happen to be fighting in Mesopotamia - the birthplace of civilization as we know it. Our entire existance was created by the people you call backwards. And your also under the impression that these countries only tolerate Islam. Tariq Aziz himself was Christian and in a lot of these backwards countries there's more tolerance for various religions than there are in the US and the west in general.



posted on Aug, 23 2004 @ 08:25 PM
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Originally posted by Hocico

Originally posted by JabbaOnTheDais
Look at our progress.




you dont have any progress, the last time somel came out of you was 700 years ago
, who cares about your crappy little copies of soviet serplus equipment you sell?, compare your achievments to what western civilisation achieved in the past 10 years
, islam only brings backwardness.



We produce nearly all of the worlds weapons, which we sell to countries like Iraq, Iran,


and this statement alone is bullcrap, usa and russia are number one weapons exporters.

[edit on 23-8-2004 by Hocico]



What are you talking about? I was speaking of America. I was making the point that America has no right to call Iraq, Iran, or any other country backwards as long as we are the way we are.



posted on Aug, 23 2004 @ 08:34 PM
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Originally posted by Hocico


I even read a report which said in Norway Muslims make up less then 2% of the population yet they use 44% of the welfare. This case is similar throughout a lot of Scandinavia.



Do you realize that Norway is an entirely social state? Scandanavia consists of socialist democracies. In Norway, the maximum tax bracket is 55%, and is reached at around $50K/yr. Everyone recieves welfare there in one way or another. You don't even know the country you're talking about yet you're fit to judge a whole religion. lol.



posted on Aug, 23 2004 @ 08:48 PM
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Originally posted by JabbaOnTheDais

Originally posted by Hocico
look, almost everywhere where there are muslims, there are problems
, it is an undeveloped religion.


I could say the EXACT same thing about Christianity. Name one place where Christians haven't screwed things up. Name one group Christians haven't protested against. Name a cultural revolution where Christians didn't oppose.



One place
Christians stopped the murders in the games of ancient Roman.The Christians asked for a end to the violence and lead to the stop of the games

Please try to find one case where Jesus advocated the use of violence against human beings. I can find many were Muhammad condoned it and even took part in Violence killings owning slaves ect....

The Christian Crusades were mostly conducted by the Roman Catholics.



posted on Aug, 23 2004 @ 09:00 PM
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Originally posted by ShadowXIX
One place
Christians stopped the murders in the games of ancient Roman.The Christians asked for a end to the violence and lead to the stop of the games

Please try to find one case where Jesus advocated the use of violence against human beings. I can find many were Muhammad condoned it and even took part in Violence killings owning slaves ect....

The Christian Crusades were mostly conducted by the Roman Catholics.


You bring up a good point. Jesus protested against violence in the New Testament. However, critics of your view could easily point out dozens of scriptures from the Old Testament that would make Christianity and Judaism look "evil" to some people. I disagree with that view, but I can certainly understand why some would see it that way.

The fact remains that people believe what they want no matter the religion. No matter what their religious leaders taught, nor what's written in their holy books. They will believe what they want.



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