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The founding fathers fraud the biggest scam since religion

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posted on Sep, 11 2011 @ 03:36 AM
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Well your right the founding fathers hated democracy but it had nothing to do with them wanting to maintain power. They were wealthy and with that they all ready had power. The problem is democracy in itself all ways leaves out the weakest. I once heard a quote i have no idea where but it sums up my point rather nicely. A democracy is two wolves and a sheep take a majority vote on what's for supper, while in a constitutional republic, the wolves are forbidden on voting on what's for supper and the sheep are well armed.

Now you did hit on something id argue we went away from a constitutional government and have been heading down the path of a democracy. If the majority tells you anyone making a certain amount must give up 99 percent of there income or tells you your must be bused across town to a worse school just because hes white. Or let us say you live in the projects and the majority decides you should have your house searched for guns and drugs. The founding fathers intended a republic to protect individual rights above all else. In a democracy the good of the many out weigh the needs of a few.In a republic the government is restricted not the people.

The government has gone away from the founding fathers vision and now tries to tell us whats best for us. They tell us what we can eat regulate what we buy are healthcare and tell us how to raise are kids all in the name of safety. This is not what are founding fathers intended at all.

WE ARE A CONSTITUTIONAL DEMOCRACY and until the people wake up they will not be free.




posted on Sep, 11 2011 @ 03:41 AM
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Well, that may be so and I hope that is the case. We all make mistakes and we all can change if we have enough humility.

Now are you ready for another lesson young Paduan?

Adam Weishaupt supposedly founded the Illuminati in May of 1776. Odd isnt it, so close to July 4 1776. Archives show that G Washington knew of Weishaupt and did not like him or the Illuminati. The things I have researched suggest that the Illuminati was an illegitimate branch of the Masons. Some people say the Illuminati does not any longer exist if it ever did, and others say that it does, but the point here is that they used the Masonic system and symbols.In essence they hijacked the Masons. If you look on the one dollar bill you will see some Masonic symbols embedded. Specifically, the eye in the capstone is one such symbol. The eye in the capstone represents the watchful eye of The Great Architect, the Masonic term for the Creator. It was couched in that term because the Masons were actually members of a guild of craftsmen who were literally Masons. They built all sorts of wondrous and magnificent designs into buildings. So from their viewpoint, the Creator built the Universe out of an ordered foundation of principles and elements. Mathematics ties in to the idea that there is an order to the Universe.
Now the Illuminati have taken that very symbol and applied it to their distorted view of the power structure and the eye then becomes the eye of the Illuminati watching all of us, as they used that in the DARPA logo of surveilling all of society.

It is said that FDR was a 33rd degree Mason, and the Masonic logo was instituted on the dollar bill apparently under his watchful eye.
Are you beginning to see now? What was once a great understanding of all the worlds religionsand the more esoteric nature of them became the distorted views of secretive men who desired great power. These people understand the esoteric side of things, and so did the orignal Masons. They know what many ordinary people do not, and thus they called themelves "The Illumined Ones".

So let's review. A number of our Founding Fathers were Freemasons. They had a great vision for American. The Illuminati distorted it. And now they control it.
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posted on Sep, 11 2011 @ 03:43 AM
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Ben Franklin said "a Republic , if you can keep it". I agree completely with that but why is it our country is based on a republic and then called a democracy? Is it because we now have become that which we are originally not? or are we something worse then both, you decide.



posted on Sep, 11 2011 @ 03:49 AM
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Personally I find these types of debates interesting..

I have my own theory, which is that any plot was in fact the other way around with the plotters seeking a return of Crown lands (and England) to a republic rather than seeing the Crown maintain control of all lands by deceit.

England was a Republic between 1649-1660.. The return of the Republic was the unfulfilled dream of Thomas Paine.. interestingly not normally touched upon was the funding the Royal Society gave to Thomas Paine to go to America at the invitation of another Royal Society member, one Benjamin Franklin. So they had their fingers in that pie.. I have long wondered what their intent and purpose was..

The English Dissenters so prevalent in migration to America had more a less free reign under the English Republic and would be in my opinion more attuned to seek such a return than be part of some Crown plot to control America, as evidenced by the fact that they chose to become a Republic in the end.
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posted on Sep, 11 2011 @ 03:53 AM
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Originally posted by RadeonGFXRHumanGTXisAlien
Eyeofhorus
Do you own a house?

Maybe you can read the deed to it right now!
Go, go! get it out, and read it..go on..go!!

15. You own no property. Slaves can't own property. Read the Deed to the property that you think is yours. You are listed as a Tenant. (Senate Document 43, 73rd Congress 1 st. Session)
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What are you talking about your listed as a Trustor on a Deed of Trust because you haven't paid off the property but on a land deed there is no such statement Or for that matter a mortgage where your mortgagor (borrower). The closest to what your talking abount is a Deed of Trust where a third party holds temporary (but not full) title until the lien is paid AKA trustee. In some states attorneys that act as trustees, and in others, title insurance companies often provide the service.



posted on Sep, 11 2011 @ 03:56 AM
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posted on Sep, 11 2011 @ 04:00 AM
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Originally posted by Daygone23
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Ben Franklin said "a Republic , if you can keep it". I agree completely with that but why is it our country is based on a republic and then called a democracy? Is it because we now have become that which we are originally not? or are we something worse then both, you decide.


I think were becoming a democracy and as such will be living by mob rules. Eventually this will either be corrected and we will head back to a republic which values each citizens rights. But only after this experiment in democracy crashes and people realize there rights are important and not willing to give them up for the promise of safety and security. I personally am willing to protect myself and keep the government out of my affairs as much as possible. The government is meant to make sure we have the ability to live our lives not control how we do it.



posted on Sep, 11 2011 @ 04:04 AM
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The showdown is evident when groups like Tea Partiers rally and tell govt what we want to see done, ie stop the socialist march toward a Totalitarian State, and the State reacts and calls Tea partiers terrorists and tries to do a pr campaign and make the rest of the populace think that Tea Partiers are just corporate shills in Brooks bros clothing.



posted on Sep, 11 2011 @ 04:06 AM
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Sir, do you like Ron Paul's stance on america and what he would do to fix it? Not saying you have to like him and i wont bash you if you do or dont, because its your opinion on who you vote for or beileve in and what your stance is on him or any other political figure, but just a question none the less.



posted on Sep, 11 2011 @ 04:07 AM
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Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
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I think what he is talking about is the illusion that we own property, but still have to pay annual taxes or the State can take it away. The taxes go up annually and many people often flounder when the cost goes up higher than they accounted for.


Property taxes are you paying for living in a county or city. This was started to maintain police fire etc it doesn't give the government the right to take your property. If you dont pay the taxes they force a sale to get there money but they aren't taking the property. Now there is an exception to this which i believe is unconstitutional and that is public domain. This is where they take your property for the good of the community.



posted on Sep, 11 2011 @ 04:08 AM
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Originally posted by Daygone23
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Sir, do you like Ron Paul's stance on america and what he would do to fix it? Not saying you have to like him and i wont bash you if you do or dont, because its your opinion on who you vote for or beileve in and what your stance is on him or any other political figure, but just a question none the less.


Ron Paul has some good ideas but his foreign policy is a joke.



posted on Sep, 11 2011 @ 04:13 AM
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do you mean his idea of isolationism? If so why? he beileves in free trade from what ive seen from his speeches, he even goes as far to say that not having trade with cuba is just dumb and i think we can all agree the cigars are worth the trade.



posted on Sep, 11 2011 @ 04:19 AM
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Originally posted by beezzer
I see this more often, this "meme" of applying progressive/liberal/21st century standards to 18th century realities.

We can scoff at those ignorant fools who thought the earth was flat.
We can sneer at those who had slaves yet considered all men equal.
We can be shocked at the behaviours of those in the past, by our comfortable 21st century arm-chair qurterbacking.

And that is what this is. Arm-chair quarterbacking. The smug, arrogant approach at disecting earlier times using standards that weren't in place then, is misleading.


Nobody has a necessity to judge these creeps of the 18th century by the standards of the 21st century unless a document authored by these creeps is being held out as the document that is supposed to guide and limit a people for all of eternity including the 21st century.
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posted on Sep, 11 2011 @ 04:33 AM
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Your argument either supports false assumptions using a 21st century lens to view 18th century societal norms, or invalidates the Declaration of Independence.

Which one is it?



posted on Sep, 11 2011 @ 04:55 AM
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I must be really tired. Yes, it's county. But what I mean is if you don't pay the tax, they can put a lien on your property.

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posted on Sep, 11 2011 @ 04:58 AM
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Originally posted by Daygone23
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do you mean his idea of isolationism? If so why? he beileves in free trade from what ive seen from his speeches, he even goes as far to say that not having trade with cuba is just dumb and i think we can all agree the cigars are worth the trade.


Lol, Cuba can use the toilet paper from what I gather of their shortage of it.



posted on Sep, 11 2011 @ 05:34 AM
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Originally posted by RadeonGFXRHumanGTXisAlien
"All men are born equal" - thomas jefferson....slave owner, (does anyone else see anything wrong with that? or am i the only one?)


This sums it up, really. The victors write the history. They annihilated the indigenous population, yet are revered as saints.

None of us here really know how it all went down, so i'm not calling them bad, wrong, or right, but too many folk take knee-jerk offence at anyone suggesting they may not have had the common man's best interests in mind after all.

Had Germany won the war i'm sure the annihilation of the Jews would have been white-washed into history as an unfortunate, but unavoidable route to the greater good that, for many, the American Indian demise seems to have become.

I have no info, hence no right, to call the founding fathers Nazis, and so my analogy does disquiet me a little. But history is all about perspective, and so, though they my offend, such 'thought experiments', analogies and threads like this give us vital new perspective upon a questionable era in world history.







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posted on Sep, 11 2011 @ 05:56 AM
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The OP is correct in all that he believes. In fact, I don't understand why this individual doesn't go ahead and leave the USA for "better pastures"...

Or perchance this individual can lay out their plans to enter public service or public office and tell us how they intend to correct the status quo.

Or will they continue in their endeavor to enlighten the rest of us as to how sorry the USA really is?



posted on Sep, 11 2011 @ 05:56 AM
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we can see how "Democracy" has been foisted on, iraq, afghanistan, and now libya, we can see how the powers of the western world when they want a country under it's wings, go in with troops and propaganda.
This is done to make the rest of the world believe in the democratic process that needs to be installed in these "lawless dictatorships" that constantly abrogate the rights of it's citizens.

I can see now how the founding fathers of the USA could have been useful dupes or worse providing the reason for the UK to be there, to provide the illusion that the US was free from the tyranny of the king and that it was free.
When in fact all that has happened is the illusion of freedom has been so greatly accepted and believed only now 200years later, are the facts of your royal ownership becoming widely known.



posted on Sep, 11 2011 @ 06:00 AM
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Originally posted by McGinty

Originally posted by RadeonGFXRHumanGTXisAlien
"All men are born equal" - thomas jefferson....slave owner, (does anyone else see anything wrong with that? or am i the only one?)


This sums it up, really. The victors write the history. They annihilated the indigenous population, yet are revered as saints.

None of us here really know how it all went down, so i'm not calling them bad, wrong, or right, but too many folk take knee-jerk offence at anyone suggesting they may not have had the common man's best interests in mind after all.

Had Germany won the war i'm sure the annihilation of the Jews would have been white-washed into history as an unfortunate, but unavoidable route to the greater good that, for many, the American Indian demise seems to have become.

I have no info, hence no right, to call the founding fathers Nazis, and so my analogy does disquiet me a little. But history is all about perspective, and so, though they my offend, such 'thought experiments', analogies and threads like this give us vital new perspective upon a questionable era in world history.


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Ah... a breath of rationalism, a rare bird this far South!







 
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