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The founding fathers fraud the biggest scam since religion

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posted on Sep, 10 2011 @ 10:05 PM
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The OPs article states this

edit: the webmaster explicitly states not to use quotes unless it is the first paragraph. So I have to paraphrase. The author states that the FF were very powerful and wealthy, that they feared the common man. The author uses the word democracy the same way most socialists do. Although I could not find on that site any references to him being socialist, he still sounds that way to me. I am pretty familiar with the way sociaists often present things. Socialists view democracy as the premium type of governing.

Haven't you noticed that it is the Socialists and the liberals who continually go on about democracy? That is because our Founding Fathers set up the new Constitution for a Republic, not a democracy, because our FF knew that democracy can be reduced to mob rule. You might try and read about it. Even wikipedia has some good info about it. And by the way, what proof has that guy got that the FF feared the common people when the very preamble to the Declaration of Independence says otherwise. The whole foundation of that article is preposterous and highly leftist. I'm sorry but that's just the way it is.
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posted on Sep, 10 2011 @ 10:07 PM
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Originally posted by SM2
well the article you linked too has some faults. Namely, the Democracy thing, he is right in that there is nothing in the founding documents to support democracy, because we are not a democracy. We are a constitutional republic. Also I would like to point out that he said in the article

"By 1787, six years after implementation of the Articles, it became apparent to all that defects existed and had to be corrected. A Constitutional Convention was called to amend the Articles and any proposed changes were to be approved by all the states before they could be adopted."

That is false as the constitution was written in 1787 not in 1781 and the Bill of rights, the first ten amendments were passed by the house on August 21, 1789, and were formally proposed by joint resolution of Congress on September 25, 1789, and came into effect as Constitutional Amendments on December 15, 1791, through the process of ratification by three-fourths of the States.. So basically the whole basis of what this guy is saying is based on a lack of understanding the facts.



I agree with you completely.I thought about this thread all day and when I came back to it ,you had posted what I was going to say.Thank you. You saved me allot of typing. A star for you



posted on Sep, 10 2011 @ 10:10 PM
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The founding fathers were rich aristocrats.
And used a divide and conquer mentality.
Please don't mistake them for your fellow comrades like myself.

I mean i read somewhere, how the slave traders got racism,class-ism, and slavery to work.
Was, by basically saying
"Your white, your better than people of color, here i'll give you a little bit of wealth, for your co-operation in thinking this way"

Here are both the definitions of democracy and republic.
They're pretty much mean the same thing, except i could see if someone took the us to court, the state could use some loopholes in the wording of "republic".

I'm not liberal man, im not into politics, i just root for the right thing.
What i meant by respecting Greenspan, is that he had the balls to fight in WW2, a staged war much like the revolutionary war, what im implying was that, he fought for the country, so at least give him some respect.

"It is not the duty of the police to protect you. Their job is to protect the Corporation and arrest code breakers. Sappv. Tallahasse, 348 So. 2nd 363, Reiff v. City of Philadelphia, 477 F. Supp. 1262, Lynch v. N.C. Dept. of Justice 376 S.E. 2nd. 247."

"You own no property, slaves can’t own property. Read the Deed to the property that you think is yours. You are listed as a Tenant. (Senate Document 43, 73rd Congress 1 st. Session)"

"You cannot use the Constitution to defend yourself because you are not a party to it. (Padelford Fay & Co. v. The mayor and Alderman of the City of Savannah 14 Georgia 438, 520)"

"We are enemies of the State (Trading with the Enemy Act 1933 Act of 1917 & 1933) Trading with the Enemy Act 1933 Act of 1917 & 1933 (People declared the Enemy) Oct. 6, 1917, under the Trading with the Enemy Act, Section 2 subdivision ( c ) Chapter 106 – Enemy defined “other than citizens of the United States…” March 9, 1933, Chapter 106, Section 5, subdivision (b) of the Trading with the Enemy Act of Oct. 6, 1917 (40 Stat. L. 411) amended as follows: “…any person within the United States.” See H.R. 1491 Public No. 1."

"A 1040 form is for tribute paid to Britain. (IRS Publication 6209 IMF decoding manual)"

"“The People” does not include you and me. (Barron v. Mayor & City Council of Baltimore. 32 U.S. 243)"

"The King of England financially backed both sides of the Revolutionary war. (Treaty at Versailles July 15, 1782, Treat of Peace 8 Stat 80)"

If thats not enough proof, to expose the founding fathers as frauds, then i dont know what is.
No country has ever been "free", and people knew this back then, but the whole reason religion and the united states was started, was to distract people from making their countries free, so they could move to the US, and think they had "freedom" therefore no challenge to the true yrants were put up.
"Suffer on earth, and you shall be rewarded in heaven" - Jesus Christ
Why should people fight, and break the commandments, so they could live better in the real world when they could live in never-never land?
"Your country has a lack of freedom?...move to the US, don't fight the leaders in your country...just move to the US"



Thank you and have a good day comrade.
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posted on Sep, 10 2011 @ 10:16 PM
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Well I have news for you on the slavery issue.


Historians' perceptions of Washington's stand on slavery tend to be mixed.[7] Although Washington never made any public statement about slavery or the treatment of slaves, it is clear that as he progressed in life, he became increasingly uneasy with the "peculiar institution," and historian Roger Bruns wrote: "As he grew older, he became increasingly aware that it was immoral and unjust."


After the revolution, Washington told an English visitor, "I clearly foresee that nothing but the rooting out of slavery can perpetuate the existence of our [Federal] union by consolidating it on a common bond of principle." The buying and selling of slaves, as if they were "cattle in the market," especially outraged him. He wrote to his friend John Francis Mercer in 1786, "I never mean … to possess another slave by purchase; it being among my first wishes to see some plan adopted, by which slavery in this country may be abolished by slow, sure, and imperceptible degrees." [10] Ten years later he wrote to Robert Morris: "There is not a man living who wishes more sincerely than I do to see some plan adopted for the abolition [of slavery]."[11]


As president, Washington was mindful of the risk of splitting apart the young republic over the question of slavery. He did not advocate the abolition of slavery while in office, but he signed legislation enforcing the prohibition of slavery in the Northwest Territory, writing to his good friend and Revolutionary War comrade, Marquis de la Fayette that he considered it a wise measure. Lafayette urged him to free his slaves as an example to others. Washington was held in such high regard after the revolution that there was reason to hope that if he freed his slaves, others would follow his example. Lafayette purchased an estate in French Guiana and settled his own slaves there, and he offered a place for Washington's slaves, writing, "I would never have drawn my sword in the cause of America if I could have conceived thereby that I was founding a land of slavery." Washington did not free his slaves in his lifetime but included a provision in his will to free the slaves upon the death of his wife. Martha Washington did not wait on this, and instead freed the Washington slaves on January 1, 1801.

www.newworldencyclopedia.org...


And notice thenumber of references



posted on Sep, 10 2011 @ 10:19 PM
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OP you are really going after the wrong people with this thread, and you are going to seriously make some enemies. Myself included.



posted on Sep, 10 2011 @ 10:22 PM
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Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
OP you are really going after the wrong people with this thread, and you are going to seriously make some enemies. Myself included.



You would make the founding fathers proud.
Divide and conquer at it's finest.
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posted on Sep, 10 2011 @ 10:25 PM
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Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
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Well I have news for you on the slavery issue.


Historians' perceptions of Washington's stand on slavery tend to be mixed.[7] Although Washington never made any public statement about slavery or the treatment of slaves, it is clear that as he progressed in life, he became increasingly uneasy with the "peculiar institution," and historian Roger Bruns wrote: "As he grew older, he became increasingly aware that it was immoral and unjust."


After the revolution, Washington told an English visitor, "I clearly foresee that nothing but the rooting out of slavery can perpetuate the existence of our [Federal] union by consolidating it on a common bond of principle." The buying and selling of slaves, as if they were "cattle in the market," especially outraged him. He wrote to his friend John Francis Mercer in 1786, "I never mean … to possess another slave by purchase; it being among my first wishes to see some plan adopted, by which slavery in this country may be abolished by slow, sure, and imperceptible degrees." [10] Ten years later he wrote to Robert Morris: "There is not a man living who wishes more sincerely than I do to see some plan adopted for the abolition [of slavery]."[11]


As president, Washington was mindful of the risk of splitting apart the young republic over the question of slavery. He did not advocate the abolition of slavery while in office, but he signed legislation enforcing the prohibition of slavery in the Northwest Territory, writing to his good friend and Revolutionary War comrade, Marquis de la Fayette that he considered it a wise measure. Lafayette urged him to free his slaves as an example to others. Washington was held in such high regard after the revolution that there was reason to hope that if he freed his slaves, others would follow his example. Lafayette purchased an estate in French Guiana and settled his own slaves there, and he offered a place for Washington's slaves, writing, "I would never have drawn my sword in the cause of America if I could have conceived thereby that I was founding a land of slavery." Washington did not free his slaves in his lifetime but included a provision in his will to free the slaves upon the death of his wife. Martha Washington did not wait on this, and instead freed the Washington slaves on January 1, 1801.

www.newworldencyclopedia.org...


And notice thenumber of references


Im 19 currently, i realzed bondage was wrong when i was 2, washington must have been intellectual limited to realize it at that late in life.
It took him till he grew older, to realize it was wrong, and still then did nothing but acknowledge it, even with his power.
How pathetic.

Thanks for backing up my argument with your post.


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posted on Sep, 10 2011 @ 10:27 PM
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Originally posted by RadeonGFXRHumanGTXisAlien

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
OP you are really going after the wrong people with this thread, and you are going to seriously make some enemies. Myself included.



You would make the founding fathers proud.
Divide and conquer at it's finest.
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I would hope I make the FF proud. I have a Revolutionary Patriot in my family tree and darn proud of it.

www.turleyfamily.net...
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posted on Sep, 10 2011 @ 10:32 PM
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Thomas Jefferson actually tried to end slavery during the revolution.

en.wikipedia.org...

But the continental congress wouldn't have none of it, especially the south. As it would cut into profits and labor for the on going war.

Theres an interesting piece on the American Revolution and the founding fathers on Netflix if you care to watch it. Its very neutral it shows the good and the bad. A very pragmatic view of history with no hint of bias or patriotism.

The Revolution(The history channel presents) or something like that.

As for the founding fathers, not one of them was fully happy after the constitution was written up. They all came form different walks of life and different beliefs, each with their own view of the bold new nation they just created. What they had written was an accidentally brilliance, its not perfect but it proposed a brave new idea of freedom and equality. While it wasn't fully embraced immediately, it became the foundation for every step towards a better world since then.

It became the foundation of a limited government, designed to ensure no future tyranny unfold in the land they fought and bleed for. Now, that simply piece of paper has been ignored by the people we elected to represent us and our country. Instead of obeying the will of the people and the constitution, they obey the will of the lobbyist. Who whisper in their ears and fill their pockets. They, commit themselves to the sin of vanity and greed and whether you are religious or not. It is not hard to see why those things are considered a deadly sin. Our servants now consider themselves our leaders and kings. They don't work for us anymore, we work for them.

They desire to take our weapons to "protect" us. They desire to censor our freedom of speech as so not to "Offended" us. They tell us what we can and cannot put in our bodies, they want to run our lives and make us dependent on us. So don't look to the founding fathers for fraud, look to our current Government and how they have twisted noble and high ideals.



posted on Sep, 10 2011 @ 10:36 PM
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I remember saying, how JFK was nothing but a puppet, and how his death was, staged, just a show, a play, the performing arts.
After all, why would he betray, the bankers, the queen etc who are all tied into this?
Why would JFK, expose, and dismantle the federal reserve, and the corporations hold on the world?
If he did, people would have acknowledged it, from there on in, and would riot for these new "rights".

He himself, was related to prince harry, the queen, kate middleton, the bankers etc.
I'll tell you why, because people can't see beyond family, even if it is a threat, to justice and the truth.
Family comes first, the right thing always will come last, people can't see the truth, when family is involved or some sort of relation is involved, either way.

All im saying is, you won't believe what im saying, because your family was involved with the founding fathers, revolutionary war they were all tied into it, you and your family are involved in this.


But as you wish.
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posted on Sep, 10 2011 @ 10:38 PM
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For me, the topic you raise is of no interest, but YOUR acceptance of the 'new' way the word 'terrorist' is defined is of great interest to me. In ten years you'll say something like " it was not an act of war, but only a kinetic military action."

We're doomed.

Let me add that the Founding Fathers were growing up during the period know as "The Great Awakening". and in a single generation established a country based on the idea that "ALL' men and created equal... and ALL have the right to Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness..not a typo or a mistake but ALL MEN...if you took the time to get into REAL BOOKS and off the net you can learn of the politics of the day and the obstacles that had to be overcome. In creating this Union it was ALL or NONE so comprimises were made and today we have a BLACK president.
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posted on Sep, 10 2011 @ 10:39 PM
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You cannot cite decisions from a court to implicate the "founding fathers" and the constitution when these opinions or rulings you are referencing all came after the fact.
The constitution....ANY embodiment of law requires an honest interpretation of that law. Words are simply words, often twisted and purposely misconstrued. Intent and meaning require GOOD FAITH, within any text, whether it be a listing of rights or simply an oral agreement.
In reality, there is NO system of government that cannot be corrupted. In a democracy, we are ALL corrupted by self-interest simply because the majority will always carry the day. In a democracy, you can vote out the protections of the minority.
In a Republic, you have representative government that is charged with upholding the constitution and the bill of rights, and weighing these LAWS against the wishes of the governed. It requires diligence on the part of the governed that the wishes of the governed do not TRUMP the constitution and the bill of rights.

You have corruption. That is your problem. Not the constitution, and not a fraud perpetrated on the unwitting masses. We didn't have a dumb ass populace back then, not like we do now. Now, we are hopelessly screwed by masses of ignorant apes that think they know everything.

The world has always been run by people that have a voice and know how to use it. The Americans sold their voice for security or a cheap bottle of wine. Take your pick. When you try to use your voice, you will see who lines up against you, and it is not the wealthy aristocrats, it is your ignorant neighbor.


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posted on Sep, 10 2011 @ 10:57 PM
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Let me tell you something, when you can command an army through bitter winters and few provisions, for the purpose of freeing a country from the tyranny of a King, then I will think you are as smart as Washington.

I know you are young and you are looking for elements of truth. I know that you know there are missing pieces of the puzzle. Just don't take the pieces of gold thread and mix them up with the threads taken from cloth of lies. You must be ware of the lies of the Serpent.

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posted on Sep, 10 2011 @ 11:08 PM
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I remember saying, how JFK was nothing but a puppet, and how his death was, staged, just a show, a play, the performing arts.


The above quote is very revealing...i remember saying "mom, i heard Santa on the roof!!" But you know... And how can a brutal, violent death witnessed by dozens if not hundreds be staged?

All you need to do is take an Early American History community college level 100 course and you will be informed.



posted on Sep, 10 2011 @ 11:09 PM
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JFK prolly didn't even know he was related to the king. His father wasn't some rich banker but a Mobster undermining the Government during the prohibition era. If you want to argue these ridiculous beliefs at least know you're history and facts. Of course you won't because you believe that to be a conspiracy too. Hell why don't you just go all out and claim that we live in the Matrix and everything we know and see is a lie?

Now, I'm related to George Washington myself through his sister. I come from a line of rich land owners who've gambled and womanized there way out of their wealth with each generation. Now pray tell, being a close descendant of G.W himself why isn't my family have any political power or major wealth? Because there is no secret family circle of Freemason as few people know their genealogy, I only know this because my aunt spent a good year researching it.

I also don't know why you hate the Freemason as they were consider heretics of the church, you know the religion you hate so much.

www.cracked.com...

www.destroyfreemasonry.com...

fundamentalist Christians despise the Freemasons as the go against the Traditional church.



posted on Sep, 10 2011 @ 11:17 PM
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JFK did not expose the Fed. What he did do was sign an EO allowing for silver certificates. That was a dangerous enough thing for certain people to think he was not going to be such a useful tool. He was born into the Kennedy bloodline obviously.
The masses of people had no clue why he was assassinated. It only served as a way to keep future presidents in line and create a psyops on the American pubic.
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posted on Sep, 10 2011 @ 11:18 PM
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Originally posted by type0civ
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I remember saying, how JFK was nothing but a puppet, and how his death was, staged, just a show, a play, the performing arts.


The above quote is very revealing...i remember saying "mom, i heard Santa on the roof!!" But you know... And how can a brutal, violent death witnessed by dozens if not hundreds be staged?

All you need to do is take an Early American History community college level 100 course and you will be informed.



Your analogy has no relevance to what i said.
And taking american history at community college?..lol wow, you couldn't possibly be more deluded.
But if thats what you believe,i can't force people to not believe in the wrong thing.
So as you wish.
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posted on Sep, 10 2011 @ 11:21 PM
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Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
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JFK did not expose the Fed. What he did do was sign an EO allowing for silver certificates. That was a dangerous enough thing for certain people to think he was not going to be such a useful tool. He was born into the Kennedy bloodline obviously.
The masses of people had no clue why he was assassinated. It only served as a way to keep future presidents in line and create a psyops on the American pubic.
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Yes the psyops part i agree with, since the whole jfk assassination was just another play.
But future presidents in line?...
They're all related and controlled, hell i bet mccain, obama, hilary, etc are all having a meal together right now, and laughing at how gullible we are..



posted on Sep, 10 2011 @ 11:22 PM
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Wow Bob!!!! Thats awesome. I believe that many mistake the Illuminati for being the same as Freemason. I understand that Wshington knew of Adam weishaupt and didn't like him. And gee I wonder why



posted on Sep, 10 2011 @ 11:25 PM
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yah future Presidents. Like when Reagan didn't want to choose Bush Sr as his running mate, and he finally gave in. Later on there was an assassination attempt on him, from even acquaintances of the Bush family. Well, I just looked at that site and it says that HInckleys brother had dinner at the Bush family home, so maybe that is what iwas thinking of.
www.newworldorderreport.com... ed-and-Extended.aspx
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