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The founding fathers fraud the biggest scam since religion

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posted on Sep, 12 2011 @ 10:21 PM
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Of course it's discriminatory...You, I and everyone discriminate every day and it's a good thing.

You won't let a blind person drive, but you'll let a shill vote, that's asinine.

You can't let idiots decide how the country is run or you'll end up with an idiotic country and system of rule.

Jaden




posted on Sep, 12 2011 @ 10:23 PM
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We have tests to become a citizen only if you are not already...

People who have passed the tests to become citizens are usually much more qualified to vote than the people born and raised here, and they respect what America stands for much more than most born here as well.

Jaden



posted on Sep, 12 2011 @ 10:25 PM
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Amen brother, now we just have to take them back, through peaceful means if possible, through violence if necessary...

Jaden



posted on Sep, 12 2011 @ 11:00 PM
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Sadly because he puts just enough effort into his threads to make it seem legit. Some people will flock to it and suckle on this new idea and theory feeling enlightened about it. It is not their fault however, we've all been substitutable to the lies we want to hear. Which is why people have to come in, and debunk him and flimsy "poof". Its a consent battle of information and disinformation, and I gladly give me metaphorical pen to this noble fight.

At least his thread did do something, it pointed out the worship of our founding fathers, and that sometimes we forget they were merely men. Men with a great vision none the less, but still imperfect and capable of evil. I see it as a nice reminder that all of us can be capable of what they did and achieve it. Carry out their vision and perhaps someday achieve the perfection they couldn't.



posted on Sep, 13 2011 @ 12:06 AM
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Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus

Originally posted by newcovenant
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You are the one telling me to burn books because they don't fit your stereotype



I am telling you to burn them because they are grossly unreliable - you never have accurate facts and your poly sci instructor was apparently mad.


when did I say I was Poly Sci? Im Network and Communications Mgmt with a minor in Business mgmt( my accounting Prof suggested I might change my major to Business with a concentration in accounting-but thats another story-and he also understood my viewpoint when I said that we needed to fix our trade deficit with China, and he seemed to think my facts were all accurate)

Now which books was I supposed to burn? I quoted wikipedia for the religious denominations of the Founding Fathers. I already said they were Deist but that does not mean they were not also Christian.
LIberals accused Sarah Palin of recommending banning books on witchcraft, which was an error in fact. Liberals preferred method of censorship is revisionist history and ridicule.


Wait....but you said you have a degree in quantum physics, in the other thread i made on ron paul.
And you also said you were related to french and lebanon royalty.



posted on Sep, 13 2011 @ 12:12 AM
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Nothing about this is trolling.
If your too blinded to see past the bull# of the whole founding fathers and religion gimmick, then please, don't accuse me of trolling, you just can't perceive it.
The consciousness of the masses has been manipulated by 300 years of false history and false indoctrination.

Here just watch these videos.







Why was "god is real" added to that video, subliminally? if he was real, then there would be no need to convince people, yet alone subliminally,.
Why was "obey the government" "government is good" added?

Just watch those 3 videos, i'm sorry if you and others can't perceive the founding fathers lie, but remember, history is written by the victors....not the truth.


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posted on Sep, 13 2011 @ 01:47 AM
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Sigh* I already pointed out that you're whole "Funded from both sides" Was untrue, fake, made up. I also pointed that Thomas Jefferson tried to end slavery in the deceleration of independence because he saw that it was hypocritical to be fight for freedom when they owned slaves. I also pointed out why it didn't go through. Now you come back with a guy with a webcam and a youtube account and babbles on and on about the "Elites" without giving proof. Remember Proof is important!

And yes I can't perceives any of the falsehoods you spew. Why? Because its not backed up by science or history. Oh, but thats right all of history is made up right? I'll believe that a magic man in the sky grants wishes before I believe all of supposed history is false and that all of society is supposedly controlled by an elite group of Jews. Thats what it comes down too though. Your grand conspiracy is basically your god or devil I suppose. We all want to believe in something bigger than ourselves, something that can explain the unexplainable. Truth is its a hell of a lot more complicated than that.

Now I'm going to get back on the topic of or Forefathers. I never said they were perfect just simply human that made remarkable leaps towards the efforts of freedom. Of course you're going to say "Why should rich men give us freedoms?" or something to that extent. They didn't give us freedoms, they fought along side their fellow colonist in the name of freedom. I mean if these elite so adapt at brainwashing and control why give us free speech, the right to bear arms? Theres no question that a government can control its people through tyranny just look to china. Why doesn't the elite the control the world simply adopt all of that system?

True Freedom is a constant uphill battle my friend, please don't discount your allies in that effort.



posted on Sep, 13 2011 @ 01:53 AM
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Originally posted by gladtobehere
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At the end of the day, much of the system comes down to the gate keepers. If the gate keepers are corrupt, then the system will be as well, which I would argue is the cause of our problems.

True that.

If a person believes in equal rights, theres no way he or she can agree with the concept of a pure democracy in which the majority dictate the outcome for the minority. Laws, however, would grant everyone equal protection.

I don't believe in equal rights nor does anyone else. Those who claim to believe in equal rights are either too lazy to see the blindspots or downright charlatans. For example, I don't know anyone who believes criminals cannot be deprived of their "right to liberty".

The concept of "equality" was introduced by the charlatans of the French Revolution, while the concept of "unalienable rights" was introduced by the charlatans of the American Revolution.

But the charlatans succeeded in making them popular memes because they could be derived, if only partially, from a concept that is more basic, shared by most and appealing to most, the concept of justice. Since those charlatans had no intentions of establishing a rule of justice, they didn't appeal to the sense of justice in people, simply something that appeared to be derived from it and hence had the same instinctive appeal, but can be interpreted as they saw fit, since the very concepts like "equality" and "unalienable rights" are meaningless and everyone recognises their meaninglessness even while being impressed with them.

Those who believe in justice believe it to be unrelated to what the current popular opinion in a geographic area of what it is. If anything, it is only a smal minority that has the clarity of vision needed to determine what is just. For those who believe in justice, laws, an explicit set of rules letting people know what is considered just, must be just. Hence those who believe in justice and expect that a government should be just would not support a system of governance where laws are dependent on the preferences of the people of the day, be they majority or minority.



posted on Sep, 13 2011 @ 02:28 AM
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Is this the thread you are looking for? www.abovetopsecret.com...

The guy in the article you referenced has it partially right I think...



posted on Sep, 13 2011 @ 03:02 AM
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Originally posted by Masterjaden
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We have tests to become a citizen only if you are not already...

People who have passed the tests to become citizens are usually much more qualified to vote than the people born and raised here, and they respect what America stands for much more than most born here as well.

Jaden



Good point. They had to work for it and keep a clean record too.



posted on Sep, 13 2011 @ 03:10 AM
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Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
Satanists believe in God but hate Him.

I knew one person who described himself as a Satanist. I was most certainly surprised anyone would describe himself so, so naturally asked why they hate God and love Satan.

He told me that the God of Abraham is actually a liar for saying there is only one God and the one described as Satan is himself another God, just like Jehovah and not a fallen angel. However, unlike Jehovah, Satan is not interested in collecting souls so doesn't bother telling what people should do. Those who are not interested in staying with Jehovah, are welcome to join Satan. But as on earth, so in "hell". They are allowed to do what they please, as they please and are responsible for the consequences. Satan may or may not help them as he pleases. He said he found Satan to be an honest God unlike Jehovah and decided to stay with him in the here and hereafter.



posted on Sep, 13 2011 @ 03:10 AM
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Originally posted by RadeonGFXRHumanGTXisAlien

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus

Originally posted by newcovenant
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You are the one telling me to burn books because they don't fit your stereotype



I am telling you to burn them because they are grossly unreliable - you never have accurate facts and your poly sci instructor was apparently mad.


when did I say I was Poly Sci? Im Network and Communications Mgmt with a minor in Business mgmt( my accounting Prof suggested I might change my major to Business with a concentration in accounting-but thats another story-and he also understood my viewpoint when I said that we needed to fix our trade deficit with China, and he seemed to think my facts were all accurate)

Now which books was I supposed to burn? I quoted wikipedia for the religious denominations of the Founding Fathers. I already said they were Deist but that does not mean they were not also Christian.
LIberals accused Sarah Palin of recommending banning books on witchcraft, which was an error in fact. Liberals preferred method of censorship is revisionist history and ridicule.


Wait....but you said you have a degree in quantum physics, in the other thread i made on ron paul.
And you also said you were related to french and lebanon royalty.



No, I'm sorry, you must be thinking of someone else. I have never stated I had a degree in quantum physics anywhere at any time. My degree is in IT. And no I never said I was related to Lebanese anything, although Dad did say there may be some French. What I did say is I have a Revolutionary Patriot in my family tree, and I have Scottish ancestry.
Glad we could get that cleared up.

Now, I may have said I was into META physics, which is a whole different area.
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posted on Sep, 13 2011 @ 03:16 AM
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The Satanist turns everything upside down. Everything is inverted, the cross, the pentagram, , their philosophy



posted on Sep, 13 2011 @ 03:30 AM
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Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
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The Satanist turns everything upside down. Everything is inverted, the cross, the pentagram, , their philosophy

I don't know much about their symbols, but I do know they have a logically consistent and honest approach.

But my point was about their "hating" God. They don't hate God, they just love a different one. It is not as if they accept everything Christians believe as being true and still choose to worship Satan. They believe parts of the Christian doctrine to be false.



posted on Sep, 13 2011 @ 06:34 AM
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Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus

Originally posted by RadeonGFXRHumanGTXisAlien

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus

Originally posted by newcovenant
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You are the one telling me to burn books because they don't fit your stereotype



I am telling you to burn them because they are grossly unreliable - you never have accurate facts and your poly sci instructor was apparently mad.


when did I say I was Poly Sci? Im Network and Communications Mgmt with a minor in Business mgmt( my accounting Prof suggested I might change my major to Business with a concentration in accounting-but thats another story-and he also understood my viewpoint when I said that we needed to fix our trade deficit with China, and he seemed to think my facts were all accurate)

Now which books was I supposed to burn? I quoted wikipedia for the religious denominations of the Founding Fathers. I already said they were Deist but that does not mean they were not also Christian.
LIberals accused Sarah Palin of recommending banning books on witchcraft, which was an error in fact. Liberals preferred method of censorship is revisionist history and ridicule.


Wait....but you said you have a degree in quantum physics, in the other thread i made on ron paul.
And you also said you were related to french and lebanon royalty.



No, I'm sorry, you must be thinking of someone else. I have never stated I had a degree in quantum physics anywhere at any time. My degree is in IT. And no I never said I was related to Lebanese anything, although Dad did say there may be some French. What I did say is I have a Revolutionary Patriot in my family tree, and I have Scottish ancestry.
Glad we could get that cleared up.

Now, I may have said I was into META physics, which is a whole different area.
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Hold up, i'll get the thread where you said you where.
It was in the one where i said all presidents are related.
Then you came in and said, you were related to lebanon and french royalty.
Brb ill get the thread.



posted on Sep, 13 2011 @ 06:41 AM
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Ok ThirdEye, you check out, i just checked that thread again, you didn't say you were lebanon or french royalty.
My mistake.



posted on Sep, 13 2011 @ 10:50 AM
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I personally think that the founding fathers were freemasons or even illuminati. When Chris Columbus set out he already knew where he was going. I wont say we are or were still under Monarchial rule the freemasons set out for there own country farther away from the reaches of England. But if by chance the Monarchs are involved in freemasonry by chance then there is a chance 70 percent of GWs revolutiuonary army were masons and as long as those people were owning slaves and profiting off of poor people they are nothing but socialist criminals just like the crown. People didnt flee England for religeous freedom they flee'd for lawlessness and financial gain look where that has gotten us. We were created by the freemasons and now we are owned by the corporations that followed were still the slaves we just have better quarters.



posted on Sep, 13 2011 @ 11:00 AM
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Originally posted by Observor

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
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The Satanist turns everything upside down. Everything is inverted, the cross, the pentagram, , their philosophy

I don't know much about their symbols, but I do know they have a logically consistent and honest approach.

But my point was about their "hating" God. They don't hate God, they just love a different one. It is not as if they accept everything Christians believe as being true and still choose to worship Satan. They believe parts of the Christian doctrine to be false.


So they believe certain ones to be true? Well you just described the entire world.



posted on Sep, 13 2011 @ 12:35 PM
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I didn't read any comments here so I don't know if anyone already mentioned this. I read a book called 'Invisible Eagle' a few years ago and it was all about the founding fathers being agents of the crown. It was a good read and I would suggest all of you give it a chance. I'm pretty sure you can download a .pdf of the book somewhere online.

I also know a few lawyers who say the same thing. The whole court system was and still is controlled by the crown.



posted on Sep, 13 2011 @ 02:02 PM
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I know something though about the Founding Fathers that does not make it into history books. Have you ever heard of the infamous battle called St. Claire's Defeat a.k.a. The Battle of the Wabash?

On November 4 1791, General Arthur St. Claire, then Governor of the Western Territory based at Marrietta, Ohio was defeated by the joint-led armies of Blue Jacket and Little Turtle. St. Claire had been ordered to march his men of 1,200 soldiers and 200 camp followers from Cincinnati to Kekionga (now Ft. Wayne, Indiana). The Native American warriors attacked early in the morning with a flurry of hand-to-hand combat and the soldiers ran out of the little ammunition they had and many ran before being cut down. The official reports is that only 900 soldiers died, but the truth is there were more like 1,500 and every camp follower died. Those camp followers were women and children of the soldiers.

The purpose for going to Kekionga was to open up the territory for pioneers. However, because Henry Knox, Secretary of War, lost the apportioned money on land speculation, underfunded St. Claire and his men. St. Claire had been previously warned by Washington to set up fortifications and never to trust the Indians because he knew were at war with them. During the battle, St. Claire had three horses shot out from under him before getting away. The dead were left there until Mad Anthony Wayne came back three years later and had the dead placed in one giant grave. That grave is under what is today Monument Park in the small town of Fort Recovery, Ohio.

When St. Claire made it back to Philadelphia, a special meeting was called with Washington, Jefferson, Knox and other members of the Federal Government. In this meeting, Washington called for the first ever Congressional Investigation and the first time Executive Privilege was invoked to cover up this disastrous event. The purpose of the meeting was to court-martial St. Claire. The reason we never hear about it is because of suppression of the facts. The government only wanted the country to know about the victory of Anthony Wayne.

I grew up in this little town and researched this story because it is disregarded in history books. This battle was the worst defeat on American soil.

en.wikipedia.org...

Things interesting to note are...the Native warriors were not just from Indiana, some were from as far away as Georgia, so they were given prewarning about where the Army was going to be.

St. Claire suffered gout and had to be hauled and the Indians regarded him as a coward.

General Richard Butler was identified by Simon Girty because of his Order of Cincinnati medal.

This battle left the US without a standing army for two years, in which time the Cherokee were still siding with the British so it was fundamental to not let them know. That displaces any Crown/States false war.

St. Claire was of the famous St. Claire family of Scotland, Fort Wayne has one of the few Scottish Rite Shrine Temples.

The army was misguided, thinking they were close to the St. Marys River, which was certainly pretty far from Ft. Recovery.

So there, my little input from a little town with a big battle that few people know about.




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