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Why does the President not answer Texas' plea for help??We are burning over here..duhhh

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posted on Sep, 10 2011 @ 08:23 PM
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To be fair your governor Rick Perry was to busy for Texas fires because he had a religious event to do and then a debate and a presidential campaign to kick off. But after that was out of the way he talked to Obama and found out what he had to do to get federal assitance and ran back to Texas to do it. And magically now theres some federal help. Surprising what filling out a form will do and the governors signature will do. And the federal government is banned from acting without the governors permission.




posted on Sep, 10 2011 @ 08:30 PM
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The President can't act on Federal Assistance to a US State unless specifically requested by that State.

The Governor of the state MUST request the assistance. However, Governor Rick Perry is too busy out campaigning to worry about the people in his own state, and has left the Lt. Governor in charge.

I'm sure the Lt. Governor can make the request as well. Maybe they're too proud to call for help?



posted on Sep, 10 2011 @ 08:35 PM
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Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
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I'm sorry Super Republican State of Texas...haven't you heard...our debt is way to high.

Republicans say we have to make cuts...and they think FEMA is a ridiculous agency...so we can't waste any money.

Texas always talks about seceding...always talks big and tough...and then they cry and run to the Federal Government for help.

It's a bit ironic...karma is a bitch.


This post is exactly why they deliberatley set those fires. Texas stood up against the Groping Sexual Assault taking place at the airports. And they are setting it on fire.

Then, exactly the dark side words you just spoke.

But we all know that real people don't think like that.



posted on Sep, 10 2011 @ 10:08 PM
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Originally posted by babybunnies
The President can't act on Federal Assistance to a US State unless specifically requested by that State.

The Governor of the state MUST request the assistance. However, Governor Rick Perry is too busy out campaigning to worry about the people in his own state, and has left the Lt. Governor in charge.

I'm sure the Lt. Governor can make the request as well. Maybe they're too proud to call for help?


Hes all ready made the request with FEMA and has declared it a disaster area so im not sure what your talking about??? This just proves his criticism of FEMA "I just think FEMA needs to be effective," Perry said. "They need to be able to help the people when they have natural disasters across this country. We've seen FEMA not perform to the level, from time to time. They can be slow, they can be bureaucratic." This is the problem with the federal government they show up after the party on just too many occasions.



posted on Sep, 11 2011 @ 12:19 AM
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Originally posted by JBA2848
reply to post by The Old American
 


To be fair your governor Rick Perry was to busy for Texas fires because he had a religious event to do and then a debate and a presidential campaign to kick off. But after that was out of the way he talked to Obama and found out what he had to do to get federal assitance and ran back to Texas to do it. And magically now theres some federal help. Surprising what filling out a form will do and the governors signature will do. And the federal government is banned from acting without the governors permission.


To be fair? He asked for help in April. None came, but Obama was Johnny on the spot in Alabama, and the pride of ATS came on here then as well as in this thread to spew their filth about "karma" and how Texas deserves it. Money is flowing like honey into the Northeast because of flooding, as if there's anything that can be done about floods.

But, you're all correct. Texas deserves this. We've been cocky, we've lorded over the rest of the U.S. that we are better than every, single one of you. I know this person deserved it:

K'loe Jane McBride Cheek

BORN: January 29, 2010
DIED: September 3, 2011
RESIDENCE: Gladewater, TX

For the mathematically challenged apes, that's 18 months.

I'd like to say it's hard to believe all of the filth and bile being spewed here, but it's no surprise, really. Karma will definitely come right back around to you all one day.

/TOA



posted on Sep, 11 2011 @ 04:34 AM
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I agree with you its sad people put there policy above people. Texas is part of the US and as such deserves are support but people on ATS are to busy trying to bash Perry to realize were talking about people lives here not policies!!!

Nothing Perry did caused the fires unless you want to blame a drought on him. For that matter hes a republican so we can blame earthquakes and hurricanes as well. The reality is there not getting the help they need because as past history has shown the government is slow to help. You people are sad and should really think before you speak. All ill say is my hopes and prayers go to those citizens of the United States dealing with a bad situation.



posted on Sep, 11 2011 @ 04:55 AM
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Originally posted by toolstarr
And we all pay taxes too, we have every right to federal help. And just because Perry is the governor doesn't mean we all support him. Even if he did mention Texas succeeding, so what- it was just a political move.


Just because you pay taxes means what exactly?
Do you pay enough to cover the fires? Y'all got your balanced budget thanks to the stimulus Texas then denounced. Pretty sure that came out of your taxes too. How do you know you pay enough in taxes to deserve to get bailed out again?

Whatever happened to self reliance? Why do you need Obama to bail you out anyway?



posted on Sep, 11 2011 @ 06:32 AM
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Originally posted by dragonridr
reply to post by The Old American
 


I agree with you its sad people put there policy above people. Texas is part of the US and as such deserves are support but people on ATS are to busy trying to bash Perry to realize were talking about people lives here not policies!!!

Nothing Perry did caused the fires unless you want to blame a drought on him. For that matter hes a republican so we can blame earthquakes and hurricanes as well. The reality is there not getting the help they need because as past history has shown the government is slow to help. You people are sad and should really think before you speak. All ill say is my hopes and prayers go to those citizens of the United States dealing with a bad situation.


No he didn't start the fires. But when your state is mainly run on volunteer fire fighters it's not a bright idea to cut their budget by 75%. This isn't the first time Texas has burned like this and it won't be the last.



posted on Sep, 11 2011 @ 10:14 AM
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Originally posted by JBA2848
reply to post by The Old American
 


To be fair your governor Rick Perry was to busy for Texas fires because he had a religious event to do and then a debate and a presidential campaign to kick off. But after that was out of the way he talked to Obama and found out what he had to do to get federal assitance and ran back to Texas to do it. And magically now theres some federal help. Surprising what filling out a form will do and the governors signature will do. And the federal government is banned from acting without the governors permission.


Actually he called a press conference and decided that he really didn't need to be there -

politics.blogs.foxnews.com...



posted on Sep, 11 2011 @ 10:16 AM
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Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
reply to post by lyons666
 


I'm sorry Super Republican State of Texas...haven't you heard...our debt is way to high.

Republicans say we have to make cuts...and they think FEMA is a ridiculous agency...so we can't waste any money.

Texas always talks about seceding...always talks big and tough...and then they cry and run to the Federal Government for help.

It's a bit ironic...karma is a bitch.


yeah, FANTASTIC FANTASTIC answer, right into the teeth !!!
they always want less governement, less money for the State, less power for the State, neo-liberalism and neo-capitalism, as less state as possible !!! ....
but when they are in trouble, they cry for mama and daddy to come and help them ???
when they need help, they cry like babies for help and government implication ?
they better think twice instead of fighting their neo-liberal war against Obama or the State !!!
no money left to help, sorry, go see elsewhere, ask Bush or Cheney to come and help you !!! or maybe Palin can come and help you with some teapot stupid blablabla ..... ???

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posted on Sep, 11 2011 @ 10:58 AM
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Originally posted by riddle6
It seems to me that a lot of people view these fires as some little grass fire that can easily be put out. They're not. They're big, and the fact that there isn't more of them shocks me. The last time I remember it really raining here was back in May, but its been since February since we really had a lot of precipitation. The entire state is dryer than it has been in a long time, and things aren't going to get any better any time soon. The state does not have the resources to combat fires like this right now. A good part of that is probably Perry's fault, but another part of it is the drought. If the federal government is in need of cash so bad they are now having to rethink helping with things like this, then they can just loan out money and resources. When everything is taken care of, Texas can just pay back the federal government for whatever the cost was. Its not that hard to do, and doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out.


yeah, but not only do you not like "socialist" government and "socialist" spending except for yourself of course, you also laugh with nature and human's implication in the global warming effect ....
so yes, you never believe negativ impact of human behaviour on climate changings ....
the drought you have, the problems all over USA and elsewhere, do you not think it is all about a bigger picture called : global warming ???
so first of all, play it down with actual economics and resource over-waste, be much more ecological also !
peace !!
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posted on Sep, 11 2011 @ 11:09 AM
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Originally posted by lyons666
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Dam sure hope nothing goes down in your state, because I get the feeling it is going to be like this for a while. This country is in debt and the president is dodging another bill he cant afford..
You calling us crybabies is just terrible, its the government that makes those choices not us.. I dont do politics, I dont vote either.. The gov is a crock!! Texans donate a lot to those who are in need when disasters strike, and we dont need any handouts.. Apparently, because were doing on our own with the screwed up gov that is suppose to be there for the "whole" country, not just us crying cowboys.. Get your head out of your butt..Stop being so sinister, there are innocent people and children here that need help.


of course it's not the fault of the children and their mothers in danger up there ....
but the mothers can influence the politicians no ?? you have the power to influence those macho cowboys politicians with their stupid talk, you have the power to change their stupid politics, we only hear about you when it's too late and you start crying .....



posted on Sep, 11 2011 @ 11:15 AM
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Originally posted by illuminatislave

Originally posted by Blarneystoner
reply to post by HangTheTraitors
 


Uh no... We pay federal Taxes too brother. We want what is due.


You're not entitled to anything. We pay into SS and most of us in the 25-30 range won't see a dime of it.

Stop sucking off of the teat of the federal government.

This is what Republicans want right? To have everyone fend for themselves?

Well, here you go, a massive wildfire. Fend for yourselves.
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I agree with you, but that is what they want up there no ? that is what they like and fight for no ?
THE BIG SOLIDARITY NATIONWIDE - solidarity with the poor and the have-nots !!!!
power to the people, not to the corporations and the 8% richest and most wealthy ones !!
( == big big sarcasm )



posted on Sep, 11 2011 @ 01:34 PM
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Perry No Show at Wildfires Press Conference


Logo Perry No Show at Wildfires Press Conference by Lexi Stemple | September 11, 2011 Print Email Share 723 Comments Gov. Rick Perry, R-Texas, may have added fuel to the firestorm surrounding his handling of wildfires in his state. On Saturday, Perry was scheduled to hold a press conference to talk about the fires, but the event came and went with no sign of him. The explanation from his office didn't come until after the event was over. A spokesperson for the Governor said there was a last minute change in the location of the event, and the governor didn't want to make people wait around. The press was given a heads up about the change of location, but not about the governor's absence. His office added that officials at that press conference "reiterated the same message that the governor would have delivered." They changed the location because the first location was still restricted to the public. Read more: politics.blogs.foxnews.com...


Huh



posted on Sep, 11 2011 @ 02:43 PM
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Originally posted by dragonridr



Nearly half of the federal government’s firefighting air tankers are siting idle at a California airport, grounded by the Obama administration in a contract dispute just weeks before wildfires swept through Texas killing a mother and her child, and destroying 100,000 acres.


www.humanevents.com...


Ten years ago today we Americans lay down our fight with each other and came together for the common good. Whatever separated, divided us politically then and in our history was set aside to come together as one nation, as one people, for our own good. We the People...

Look what has happened since! We allowed others to finish dividing and conquering us!

When Americans have been the victors, we celebrate. But there is also in the American psyche/culture the penchant to become perpetual victims rather than rise from the ashes to forge new beginnings when we lose.

The above article referenced is in the victimhood category. We can't do something because of what someone else has done! Oh, If only...

Fighting wildfires takes firefighters and land equipment (from shovels to bulldozers) and the massive coordination effort to fight them. Small tent cities arise in hours to tend to the needs of firefighters, and the victims of such disasters (no matter what the cause, natural or manmade) are cared for as best a community can...getting beyond the helplessness of victimhood to action.

Fire suppression from the air had its roots in crop dusting. The aerobatic-like maneuvers of crop dusters is similar to the movements of an air tanker fighting a fire. My car was stopped by personnel once along a highway in a tight Sierra canyon, due to a fire ahead. I no sooner rolled down my window, when a large tanker rumbled low overhead, released its retardant on target, then maneuvered to get itself quickly out of the canyon to return to base to refuel if necessary.

If the air tanker used in firefighting comes from another usage in its past, then it must be extra airworthy to take on its reincarnation. If the P3s grounded on the tarmac couldn't meet the higher standards for airworthiness, then they are not. One conspiracy about them is that they are being grounded to make room for C130s. Which is another matter, use of large aircraft, which leads back to Texas...

There is a Texas company that makes specialized aerial tankers and sells them all over the world in this global economy, putting Texans to work and helping the economy. Air Tractor. I hope to God the good state of Texas sees fit to promote these guys, as they fill a need in air suppression, even on the national level, as we can't always use larger converted military craft.

And no matter if this company is worker owned (call it Socialism, Marxism, Communism, whatever pejorative be thrown their way), by God it's American owned and turning out craft made in America!

I'm sick and tired of all the negative crap about America and the "can't do"/victimhood attitude. I want to hear what Americans can do. These good Texans who run this company represent what America does best.

In the face of disaster, we can stand united. We the People can either find what unites us as a nation in order to make us a better people, not succumbing to the folly of separateness, or we will be destroyed in the fires of our foolishness. I pray to God for those Texans who have lost everything in these disasters, and I pray to God we the people take collective action before we lose our nation.



posted on Sep, 11 2011 @ 03:05 PM
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I wonder why they can't do cloud seeding, doesn't that create conditions for rain?....hasn't that been done in the past in drought areas? I admit I know little about the process but was just curious. Maybe the conditions aren't right for that area of the state. I do feel for you all down there! Peace and best wishes....



posted on Sep, 11 2011 @ 04:56 PM
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Originally posted by Sunlionspirit

Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
reply to post by lyons666
 


I'm sorry Super Republican State of Texas...haven't you heard...our debt is way to high.

Republicans say we have to make cuts...and they think FEMA is a ridiculous agency...so we can't waste any money.

Texas always talks about seceding...always talks big and tough...and then they cry and run to the Federal Government for help.

It's a bit ironic...karma is a bitch.


yeah, FANTASTIC FANTASTIC answer, right into the teeth !!!
they always want less governement, less money for the State, less power for the State, neo-liberalism and neo-capitalism, as less state as possible !!! ....
but when they are in trouble, they cry for mama and daddy to come and help them ???
when they need help, they cry like babies for help and government implication ?
they better think twice instead of fighting their neo-liberal war against Obama or the State !!!
no money left to help, sorry, go see elsewhere, ask Bush or Cheney to come and help you !!! or maybe Palin can come and help you with some teapot stupid blablabla ..... ???

edit on 11-9-2011 by Sunlionspirit because: (no reason given)


K'loe Jane McBride Cheek

BORN: January 29, 2010
DIED: September 3, 2011
RESIDENCE: Gladewater, TX

I hope you don't have children.

/TOA



posted on Sep, 11 2011 @ 04:59 PM
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Because Perry hates on FEMA...what can I do to help?



posted on Sep, 11 2011 @ 05:18 PM
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Seems Texas has been getting help for a while now. If Texas is not getting help than ask Perry why he has not trickled it down to you yet.

www.fema.gov...



Designated Counties
Disaster Summary For FEMA-DR-1999, Texas

Declaration Date: July 1, 2011

Incident: Wildfires

Incident Period: April 6, 2011 to May 3, 2011

Individual Assistance
(Assistance to individuals and households):

None.

Public Assistance
(Assistance to State and local governments and certain private nonprofit organizations for emergency work and the repair or replacement of disaster-damaged facilities):

Cochran County, Hartley County, Jeff Davis County, Menard County, and Palo Pinto County.

Category A: Brewster County, Cochran County, Crockett County, Fisher County, Hartley County, Jeff Davis County, Kent County, King County, Menard County, Moore County, Palo Pinto County, Presidio County, Scurry County, Stonewall County, and Young County.

Category B: Andrews County, Archer County, Armstrong County, Bailey County, Baylor County, Brewster County, Callahan County, Carson County, Castro County, Clay County, Cochran County, Coleman County, Concho County, Cottle County, Crockett County, Dawson County, Duval County, Eastland County, Fisher County, Garza County, Glasscock County, Hall County, Hartley County, Hemphill County, Hockley County, Irion County, Jeff Davis County, Kent County, King County, Lynn County, Martin County, Mason County, Menard County, Mitchell County, Moore County, Motley County, Palo Pinto County, Pecos County, Presidio County, Scurry County, Stephens County, Sterling County, Stonewall County, Sutton County, Terrell County, Terry County, Throckmorton County, Tom Green County, Trinity County, Tyler County, Val Verde County, and Young County.

Category C: Brewster County, Cochran County, Crockett County, Fisher County, Hartley County, Jeff Davis County, Kent County, King County, Menard County, Moore County, Palo Pinto County, Presidio County, Scurry County, Stonewall County, and Young County.

Category D: Brewster County, Cochran County, Crockett County, Fisher County, Hartley County, Jeff Davis County, Kent County, King County, Menard County, Moore County, Palo Pinto County, Presidio County, Scurry County, Stonewall County, and Young County.

Category E: Brewster County, Cochran County, Crockett County, Fisher County, Hartley County, Jeff Davis County, Kent County, King County, Menard County, Moore County, Palo Pinto County, Presidio County, Scurry County, Stonewall County, and Young County.

Category F: Brewster County, Cochran County, Crockett County, Fisher County, Hartley County, Jeff Davis County, Kent County, King County, Menard County, Moore County, Palo Pinto County, Presidio County, Scurry County, Stonewall County, and Young County.

Category G: Brewster County, Cochran County, Crockett County, Fisher County, Hartley County, Jeff Davis County, Kent County, King County, Menard County, Moore County, Palo Pinto County, Presidio County, Scurry County, Stonewall County, and Young County.

Hazard Mitigation Grant Program
(Assistance to State and local governments and certain private nonprofit organizations for actions taken to prevent or reduce long term risk to life and property from natural hazards):

All jurisdictions in Texas are eligible to apply for assistance under the Hazard Mitigation Grant Program.

Other: Additional designations may be made at a later date after further evaluation.


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posted on Sep, 11 2011 @ 05:20 PM
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According to Rick Perry and other conservatives, private enterprise can do a much better job than the government. Why are Texans looking for a handout? Why should I have to pay for someone who wants to live in an area that is prone to burn? Why didn't these people invest in water? Why should I have to pay to help landowners in Texas? This is welfare. I think these fires are God's answer to Gov Perry's big prayer rally. Now is the time for conservatives to shine. Put all your theories and rigid ideology to work. Refuse all federal aid. Let the private sector handle it. Ask Exxon to put out the fires.



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