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What Happens When TSHTF And ATS Goes Down?

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posted on Sep, 9 2011 @ 12:21 PM
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Originally posted by OldCorp
So, what do you say my dear fellow ATSers? Is it possible to create a secondary, underground "internet" that "they" - whoever "they" may be, the gubmint or Anon - can't shut off? Does one already exist? If it does, can I get an invite?


Passenger pigeons and smoke clouds on top of high points. there may be a way to use existing telepone lines but not sure how.

good question




posted on Sep, 9 2011 @ 12:22 PM
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Originally posted by thisguyrighthere
I was playing with the idea of setting up an ATS ham net. With so many members surely we could keep it all together across the globe.

An entirely wireless BBS system can be supported via amateur radio.


I love that idea! Would one need to have a physical Ham radio, or could the function be emulated by someone on a laptop or cellphone? Got an App for that?



posted on Sep, 9 2011 @ 12:29 PM
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Originally posted by DaRAGE
There wont be riots on the street until we know why ATS is down.

If it's government censorship then run riot on the street.

If its because a grandma accidently dug a hole in the wrong spot and severed the internet, then no riot, But who would believe that grandma nonsense about this website, noone, thus riots in the street.

Sorry about the spelling and sentencing of my sentences. i'm a bad performer in english.
edit on 9-9-2011 by DaRAGE because: (no reason given)


My friend, your English is more than passable, so please don't give it a second thought.

I fear that you may be right however. If the Internet gets shut down by the government, The People will have no other choice than to take to the streets to have their voices heard. Personally, I think it would be a big mistake for the government to do that; I wouldn't give whoever is in power at the time 6 weeks before a sea of humanity enveloped Washington DC. - it would truly be a last ditch, desperation move on the part of TPTB.



posted on Sep, 9 2011 @ 12:35 PM
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Originally posted by OldCorp

Originally posted by thisguyrighthere
I was playing with the idea of setting up an ATS ham net. With so many members surely we could keep it all together across the globe.

An entirely wireless BBS system can be supported via amateur radio.


I love that idea! Would one need to have a physical Ham radio, or could the function be emulated by someone on a laptop or cellphone? Got an App for that?


It would be a radio with certain adaptations working alongside a computer.

To give you an idea here are some links:

www.winlink.org...

www.kent.net...

www.nsrc.org...

With some scheduling, planning and modifications you could run a sort of listerv to emulate a very basic BBS type board.

It would be pretty painful to set up at first and structure it well enough to be useful but it could be done.

We couldnt realistically have all of the topics and categories of ATS as it is now. Nor could we really even have the high membership numbers. Though this could be gotten around by establishing regional "chapters" that each make contact as a unit rather than each individual making contact. Sort of like an ARES net.



posted on Sep, 9 2011 @ 12:40 PM
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Originally posted by TerryMcGuire
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OC

I think you know as well as I do that ATS is only as good as the powersystem in which we find ourselves. Once the SHF we are all on our own. We need to learn as much as we can about reality while we have the chance, about the reasons and the scenarios for survival.

Once ATS is gone and any other non BigSYS communications we need to be able to communicate with those around us. With our physical communities. All those people some here are so fond of calling Sheeple,(not me) will be our support systems. Once the SHF and all of us are cut off from not only ATS but all the MSM, those with a deeper understanding of what has happened will be needed, here, there and everywhere, to help people focus on the job of survival and reviving our local villages.


Quoted for unvarnished truth.

I would recommend that everyone download - and print out - as many "survival" .pdfs and videos as they can NOW, so that when TSHTF they can at least have the info, if not the practiced skills, they need to survive. I'm pretty confident in my own ability to keep my family safe and fed in a bug out type situation - I can make fire out of ice, make stew out of just about anything, and I'm pretty sure I could perform minor surgery like an appendectomy without killing the patient (gotta thank the pre-med program at UNC for that bit of knowledge) - but I will freely admit that I don't know everything; it's a good idea to have these docs handy, if not for your own knowledge, then for someone else to use should you become incapacitated.



posted on Sep, 9 2011 @ 12:42 PM
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OP, you've taken a question that's buzzed around my head for months and given it words, and eloquently so. Thank you.

Vaguely remembering the interweb as sites accessed solely via IP address, I looked that little factoid up on wiki. I was immediately redirected to its listing for "internet".

Is this odd? And just as importantly, am I correct that the interweb is accessed via IP? And is there a particular deity to whom I might pay my homage in an effort to obtain the same level of networking knowledge that I have of database knowledge?


...the networking idiot's idiot



posted on Sep, 9 2011 @ 12:43 PM
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I was a sysop for a large Wildcat BBS. This could be duplicated on multi BBS boards. I do not see a way to have a multi phone number like I had at that company. All this would take the phones to keep working.If not this would be SOOL.

Ham radio could work, and even boot leg FCC numbers would work, no license would mater then I would think.. That is one reason the FCC finally did away with the requirement to get a license for CB's. I had my own station # and also used my parents business unit numbers. It may not be a good idea to have the large antenna om your car. 2 meter units would work too, just not as much range. SSB. CB would work and if someone knows how you can expand the numbers of channels far beyond the number of approved channels....

Just my 2 cents on this subjects.



posted on Sep, 9 2011 @ 12:46 PM
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Originally posted by thisguyrighthere

Originally posted by OldCorp

Originally posted by thisguyrighthere
I was playing with the idea of setting up an ATS ham net. With so many members surely we could keep it all together across the globe.

An entirely wireless BBS system can be supported via amateur radio.


I love that idea! Would one need to have a physical Ham radio, or could the function be emulated by someone on a laptop or cellphone? Got an App for that?


It would be a radio with certain adaptations working alongside a computer.

To give you an idea here are some links:

www.winlink.org...

www.kent.net...

www.nsrc.org...

With some scheduling, planning and modifications you could run a sort of listerv to emulate a very basic BBS type board.

It would be pretty painful to set up at first and structure it well enough to be useful but it could be done.

We couldnt realistically have all of the topics and categories of ATS as it is now. Nor could we really even have the high membership numbers. Though this could be gotten around by establishing regional "chapters" that each make contact as a unit rather than each individual making contact. Sort of like an ARES net.


Thank you so much for those links. I'm sure that you are correct about this type of BBS not being as sweet a set-up as ATS, but the purpose would be for emergency comms anyway. I don't think we would need a lot of different threads, just a few. I'm going to check out your links and see if this is something I could do (remember, when it comes to computers I'm "differently-abled.")



posted on Sep, 9 2011 @ 12:47 PM
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Hot air balloons like mail men w/ messages written on ballons or balloon launches like note in the bottle sent to sea./ high flying kites with messages, battery controlled remote controll planes and boats chopers.

edit on 9/9/11 by Ophiuchus 13 because: (no reason given)



posted on Sep, 9 2011 @ 12:49 PM
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Originally posted by Papagrune
I was a sysop for a large Wildcat BBS. This could be duplicated on multi BBS boards. I do not see a way to have a multi phone number like I had at that company. All this would take the phones to keep working.If not this would be SOOL.

Ham radio could work, and even boot leg FCC numbers would work, no license would mater then I would think.. That is one reason the FCC finally did away with the requirement to get a license for CB's. I had my own station # and also used my parents business unit numbers. It may not be a good idea to have the large antenna om your car. 2 meter units would work too, just not as much range. SSB. CB would work and if someone knows how you can expand the numbers of channels far beyond the number of approved channels....

Just my 2 cents on this subjects.


I have a Class 3 FCC license which enables me to legally operate any commercial radio or television station in the US. Does one need a separate license to operate a ham radio?



posted on Sep, 9 2011 @ 01:01 PM
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Originally posted by beezzer
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What's going to happen is you, me, and a few others are going to find Janky, Kitlanti and a few of them and finally have it out.

Ala Road Warrior.


Like this?



Or this?






posted on Sep, 9 2011 @ 01:06 PM
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Some of the licenses over lap, Like a CDL lets you drive car or truck. The next step up lets you drive buses, big trucks and everything but motorcycles, in my state. I do not remember. but I could be wrong on the on the access. A class 3 may have give you repair privileges .. Back In the day, TV, modem access using those were in the experimental stages. I am sure improvements have been made..



posted on Sep, 9 2011 @ 01:15 PM
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The Mel Gibson version.
(I'm a purist)


On your topic, another organization may have something in place. Oath Keepers, I think they are called.



posted on Sep, 9 2011 @ 01:19 PM
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Originally posted by OldCorp
I have a Class 3 FCC license which enables me to legally operate any commercial radio or television station in the US. Does one need a separate license to operate a ham radio?


Since the commercial and the amateur bands are separated in just about every way possible my guess would be that you would need an amateur license. Do you have an assigned call sign associated with your license? That's basically all the amateur license is, an assigned call sign. If you dont have one you cant operate.

Of course, people do all the time. Just listen to some of the more populated repeaters out there like in Los Angeles or Cincinnati. Nothing but screaming unlicensed idiots filling the air with profanity and noise. Not unlike CB at it's redneck popularity height.



posted on Sep, 9 2011 @ 01:24 PM
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Do you realize if the power went out we'd be surfing the Internet by candlelight?








posted on Sep, 9 2011 @ 01:25 PM
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I was thinking about this yesterday. You guys are putting yourselves in an "Assange" position. There are very few that would put themselves in such an environment of dangerous liability. You would have to have an "out". Like be part of a disinformation campaign. But I still like the site. I hope they pay you well.



posted on Sep, 9 2011 @ 01:30 PM
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I tried usng a candle but kept getting wax all over my hard drive.




posted on Sep, 9 2011 @ 01:34 PM
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Is that the excuse you use when your lady asks why the keys are sticking?


Back to topic...

I dunno.

I have a a couple of rifles, ammo, some food stashed and other supplies stored. I'm good for a while if the SHTF



posted on Sep, 9 2011 @ 01:40 PM
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I'm pretty sure most ATSers, after blindly and madly clicking on the non-working link 50 or a 100 times and rebooting the computer a similar number of times, would petulantly and repeatedly, at the top of their whiny screeching voices, scream, "MOMMY!!!!", until their maternal unit came to quiet them down.

In a real SHTF situation there are only a handful of ATSers I want to see anywhere but in the sights of my rifle.



posted on Sep, 9 2011 @ 01:45 PM
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What Happens When TSHTF And ATS Goes Down?


Two notes:

1. If and/or when TSHTF, chances are the the entire internet will be unavailable for at least some period of time, along with much of the wireless services that connect to, and run alongside of it.

2. There's a chance, albeit an undefined one, that ATS is itself operated by any of the alphabet soup of intelligence services. CIA, FBI, DIA, NSA... just to name the most well known. The logic here says that there is no better way to identify and keep track of the nation's (or world's) most avid conspiracy theorists than by creating a watering hole designed specifically to attract them to it, like moths to a flame.

At the very least, we can be sure that ATS is regularly (if not constantly) monitored by any of the above mentioned soups.

So, when TSHTF, chances are better that ATS will be the one place that is still up and running.




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