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Are France, Germany, and Great Britain the Three Horns of Daniel 7

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posted on Aug, 23 2004 @ 03:22 PM
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"Three horns? What is he talking about?" Allow me to back up a bit and explain the situation, or rather to explain the question that this could be the answer to.

In the book of Daniel 7 we see a vision that the prophet Daniel had concerning future events. In his vision, Daniel saw 4 beast come up out of the sea. Each one of them was different from the other. These beast coincide with the vision that Daniel had earlier interpreted for king Nebuchadnezzar. This story can be found in Daniel 2. The king had a dream of a statue that had 4 parts just as Daniel had a vision with 4 parts.

Daniel explained to the king that this statue represented 4 kingdoms that would rule the world, with the Babylonian empire being the first and greatest. The kingdoms of the Medes and the Persians, the Greeks and Macedonians, and then the Romans would follow. In the end during the last kingdom, God would set up a 5th kingdom that would never be destroyed. All of this was written down in the 6th century B.C. long before the other 3 kingdoms were established, and has been true in every detail so far.

Daniel's vision about the different best can be seen as a mirror of the previous dream that the king had, except with more detail. Some say that the king's dream was the world from man's point of view, and Daniel's was the world from God's point of view. To the king the 4 kingdoms were a beautiful statue made of gold, silver, and brass, but to God they appeared as hideous ugly beast. Taking this point of view it makes sense that Daniel's vision would have more detail than the previous one, since it would be from God's perspective.

The last beast that Daniel sees has 10 horns on it's head, representing 10 kings or kingdoms. While he is watching this beast with 10 horns, a small horn grows up in the middle of the 10 and uproots 3 of the other horns. It would probably be best to throw this out in the open so it can be easily referenced.

Daniel 7:8
While I was thinking about the horns, there before me was another horn, a little one, which came up among them; and three of the first horns were uprooted before it. This horn had eyes like the eyes of a man and a mouth that spoke boastfully.


What exactly is all of this horn business? Lucky for us an angel is sent to Daniel to give him an explanation of this vision.

Daniel 7:23-24
'The fourth beast is a fourth kingdom that will appear on earth. It will be different from all the other kingdoms and will devour the whole earth, trampling it down and crushing it. 24 The ten horns are ten kings who will come from this kingdom. After them another king will arise, different from the earlier ones; he will subdue three kings.'


We have already established that the last kingdom is the Roman empire. And you thought the Roman empire was gone? Not really, look back to the king's dream. When the statue reaches the last section it splits into two legs, and then into the 10 toes which we see mirrored in the 10 horns of the last beast.

So let's say that the EU is the remainder of the Roman empire. That's not to much of a stretch of the imagination when you remember that the original treaty that formed the EU was called The Treaty of Rome. Also if you look at a map of the Roman empire and the EU side by side you can see an interesting similarity. This is not to say that the empire hasn't changed at all, but it still has the look of the Roman empire. There are more than 10 countries in the EU, but
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So, where do the three horns come in? I'm almost there. Just have a little patience, and first look at the little horn that comes from the 10. Since this horn has eyes and a mouth it appears to be more of an individual than a kingdom. This is who we consider to be the Antichrist, although that term is over used. Who is this person? Not saying that we know who it is, but the newly created office of (deep breath) the EU High Representative for the Common Foreign and Security Policy is a good place to watch. Javier Solana currently occupies this position, and again I'm not pointing to him as "that person", but only the position that he occupies. The new EU Constitution, also calls for a Foreign minister to replace the rotating presidency system. Very, very interesting.

Once we have a leader in the EU or possibly in order to have a leader in the EU the three horns must be removed..(Finally :lol
Their removal is necessary due to the amount of power that they hold. It's likely that these three horns or kingdoms will give their power to "the man" and after achieving this he will be in complete control of the EU.

If your guessing ahead of me, then the answer is yes! The three power blocks in the EU are Great Britain, France, and Germany. These are the big three that dominate everything in the EU. Not only that but they are permanent members in the UN Security Council, and in NATO, and in the G8, and in UNSC. Until they get their heads together and quit pulling in different directions, the EU will go nowhere. But once they do decide to work together, the EU will have real power. Is it a coincidence that there are three main powers and three horns removed in Daniel's vision? I don't think so. But don't take my word for it. Do some research on your own and see what you come up with.

Why is this so interesting to me? Remember what we read earlier? When the fourth kingdom was in power (again) it would be replaced with the kingdom of God. It appears that the EU is being setup exactly for this situation. Can't wait....

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posted on Aug, 23 2004 @ 03:28 PM
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Nope, they aren't the three horns, anymore than America is the "Great Satan"(according to Iran).

They are just economically powerful nations, just as the US, China and Japan are.

You said 'do some research'. Outside of the Bible, where else would a person research this?

Not dissing, just debating your theory.



posted on Aug, 23 2004 @ 03:32 PM
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I suppose that you could have a different interpretation as to what this scripture means, but you can't research the part about the horns and beast outside of the Bible. You can look into the EU, and it's Roman empire history. Where is the EU going? What are their plans for having a leader, and what steps need to be taken for this to take place. Stuff like that.


Originally posted by nathraq
Not dissing, just debating your theory.

Hey, I put it up here so people could poke at it, shoot holes in it, or prop it up. Whatever you want to do. Just interested if anyone else had seen this from my point of view or had good evidence to dispute it. The idea isn't set in stone.


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posted on Aug, 24 2004 @ 05:18 PM
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The map of the roman empire looks pretty different to the EU one but i'd be interested to know how many countries from the roman empire are members of the EU. Looks like about 10 from a count on the map but i can't see it very well so i'm not sure. You'd probably need to take boundary changes into account aswell, but i don't know, just a thought.



posted on Aug, 25 2004 @ 05:29 AM
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I believe this guy has a more dead on interpretation...more details are on the web page...

wrightworld.net...

Daniel Confirms That Grecia Is The Fifth Head Of Revelation 13, and also reveals the emergence of a warrior king who will bring war and destruction to the Middle East in the final days before the arrival of the Kingdom of God.

The ram which thou sawest having two horns are the kings of Media and Persia. And the rough goat is the king of Grecia: and the great horn that is between his eyes is the first king. Now that being broken, whereas four stood up for it, four kingdoms shall stand up out of the nation, but not in his power. And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up. And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practice, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people. Daniel 8: 20-23

The above prophecy of Daniel indicates that four kingdoms would arise following the death of Alexander the Great, who was the first King of the Grecian Empire, and that one of these kingdoms would survive until the end times, when an evil warlike king would come to power, and bring war and destruction to the Middle East. It also indicates that this fierce king will have great power, but not by his own hand, as he will be empowered by the beast that ascends from the bottomless pit, just as the dragon gave Alexander his power, and his seat, and great authority - Revelation 13: 1-3. Following the sudden death of Alexander, his kingdom was divided amongst his four generals exactly as foretold by Daniel above. These four kingdoms were the Antigonid, Seleucid, Bactrian and Ptolemaic Empires, and from their start, they were almost always in a constant war with each other. The Seleucid Empire representing the Middle East portion of Alexander's kingdom, eventually conquered the other three, to become the only portion remaining up until the time of the Roman Empire. The Ptolemaic = Egyptian Empire, was conquered by the Seluecids, but Rome forced it's own rule over Egypt, and prevented the Seleucids from taking control over Egypt. Under Roman rule, the Seleucid Empire was allowed to continue via Roman control of Syria.

After the fall of the Roman Empire, and with the birth of Mohammed, and Islam, which also occurred in the Seleucid portion of the previous Grecian Empire, there arose the Turkish - Ottoman Empire, that was strongly influenced by Islam, and later became known as the Ottoman/Islamic Empire, and eventually encompassed all the previous area of the Grecian Empire of Alexander the Great. Exactly as Daniel foretold above, a portion of the Grecian Empire of Alexander the Great remained in existence up until the latter days and modern times. The Seleucid Empire remained loosely configured throughout the period of the Roman Empire, and up through the period of the Turkish - Ottoman/Islamic Empire, and following the defeat of Turkey during World War I, was then divided into ten kingdoms under British Rule, and later became the eight Arab/Muslim Nations of the Middle East.

The above prophecy of Daniel tells us that a warlike king will come to power during the latter time of their kingdom. This kingdom would be a surviving remnant of one of the four kingdoms that were formed from the Grecian Empire following the death of Alexander the Great, as mentioned above. The only one of these kingdoms to survive up until modern times is the Seleucid Empire, which became the ten provinces now contained within the eight Arab/Muslim Nations of the Middle East. This end time personage is described in Daniel 7: 7-8 & 23-25, in conjunction with a kingdom composed of three of the original ten, and it can only be concluded that the nation of Iraq is the kingdom of mention, since Iraq is composed of Basrah, Baghdad and Mosul, which are three of the original ten British Mandated Provinces. Now as to this king of fierce countenance, it does not indicate that he will be born in Iraq, only that he will stand up during the time of their kingdom, and similar to Alexander the Great who conquered the entire Middle East and was a Macedonian, this king of fierce countenance could likewise hail from another nation. With the American invasion and occupation of Iraq, the prophesized king of fierce countenance that is destined to bring war to the region, could very well be President George W. Bush. He is a fierce warrior king, who destroys wonderfully, and has brought war to the Middle East via Iraq, exactly as foretold by Daniel.



Interpretations Of Daniel - The images in the Book of Daniel Chapter 7, describe four beasts or successive empires that over time would occupy the same region of the Middle East. The first is like a lion and represents the Babylonian Empire. The second is like a bear and represents the Media-Persian Empire. The third is like a leopard which had four wings and represents the Grecian Empire. The four wings represent the Antigonid, Seleucid, Bactrian and Ptolemaic empires which arose from the Grecian Empire following the death of Alexander the Great. The forth kingdom is diverse from all the beasts that were before it and eventually breaks up into ten smaller kingdoms. These are described as ten horns. Three of these ten kingdoms later merge into a single kingdom bringing the total to eight. Daniel describes this as the little horn that uproots three. It is during the reign of these eight kingdoms that the battle of Armageddon will transpire, and the Kingdom of God will be established on Earth.

The Little Horn....After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns. I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.- Daniel 7: 7 & 8

The Fourth Beast.... shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces. And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings. And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: - Daniel 7: 23-25

The Forth Beast Identified - The forth beast kingdom of Daniel was the Turkish - Ottoman / Islamic Empire. It was the next successive empire following the Grecian Empire that included the same land area as did the previous Media-Persian and Babylonian empires. The Roman Empire is excluded from this line up because it did not occupy the exact same region. The previous empires of Babylon, Media-Persia and Greece not only included the Mediterranean area within their boundaries, but also a large portion of the Middle East which included Iran and Saudi Arabia. The Roman Empire did not. The eastern borders of the Roman Empire included Israel, Syria and Egypt but stopped there. The key areas of Iran and Saudi Arabia were not included within the boundaries of the Roman Empire. Because of this dissimilarity to the first three, the Roman Empire cannot be the forth beast kingdom. Only the Ottoman/Islamic Empire, which arose centuries after the fall of the Roman Empire, contained the same territory as the previous Babylonian, Media-Persia, and Grecian Empires.

The Ten Horns - are ten provinces that were drawn up by Britain following the defeat and fall of the Turkish Ottoman/Islamic Empire during World War One, in the years 1920-1922. They were Basrah, Baghdad, Mosul, Syria, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Turkey, Persia now called Iran, and Egypt. Under British Mandate Basrah, Baghdad and Mosul were later consolidated into the province of Iraq. This agrees with Daniel in that the "little horn" uproots three of the original ten, and so Iraq is the little horn mentioned by Daniel. Interestingly enough, Iraq is still divided into the three provinces of Basrah, Baghdad and Mosul. The seven remaining provinces now comprise the balance of Arab/Muslim Nations in the Middle East. These will give their power and strength unto the beast that ascends from the bottomless pit.

This means that the ten provinces, now eight Middle East Nations, will form an alliance, and will be empowered by the beast from the bottomless pit, and influenced to wage war against the nation of Israel. The objectives will be the development of an Islamic Empire, the destruction of Israel, the capture of Jerusalem, and occupation of the Temple Mount. At the same time, a man will emerge in conjunction with the nation of Iraq, and will think to change times and laws. True to the Book of Daniel, a man, President Bush, has brought about the U.S. invasion and occupation of Iraq, and is thinking to change times and laws in the Middle East, exactly as foretold by Daniel.

References for the above can be found in any good encyclopedia under the History of the Middle East following World War I. The British Mandates and Protectorates of the Middle East after WWI. The Turkish Campaigns of World War I and in the individual histories of the ten nations mentioned above. (1920 - 1923).



The Ten Horns Of Daniel do not represent Europe - Many people have a mistaken assumption that the ten horns of Daniel represent modern day Europe. This assumption is based on a belief that the forth beast of Daniel was the Roman Empire. But the numbers just don't add up. There are now fifteen nations in the European Union and more waiting to join. Daniel is specific about the ten horns and the "little horn" that uproots three. This is not happening in the Europe of today. But there is another area in the world that does fit the prophecy of Daniel and the numbers do add up. That area is the Middle East. Why do I bring this up? Because we are already way past the ten horns of Daniel and well into the final days of this prophecy. Those who believe that Europe is the focal point of Daniel are still waiting for the numbers to add up. Perhaps it is for this reason that Jesus said that many Christians would be caught by surprise when the arrival does come. They will still be waiting for Europe to conform to Daniel while all the while the prophecy of Daniel has already come to pass in the Middle East.

These are the ten horns of Daniel: Lebanon, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Turkey, Persia now called Iran, Egypt, (Basra, Baghdad and Mosul) = Iraq. Daniel 7: 7-8 / 23-25. These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast - Revelation 17: 13.

The Nebuchadnezzar Statue - The empires symbolized by the statue are as follows: Babylonian Empire (gold head), Media-Persia Empire (silver breast and arms), and the Grecian Empire (brass belly and thighs), and the Ottoman / Islamic Empire (legs of iron). The Roman Empire is not included in this line up because it did not occupy the same area as the other four empires symbolized above. All of the empires represented by the Neb. Statue occupied the same area of the Mediterranean, and a large portion of the Middle East, including Iran and Saudi Arabia. The Roman Empire did not. The borders of the Roman Empire stopped at Israel, Egypt and Syria. The areas of Iran and Saudi Arabia were not included within the boundaries of the Roman Empire. This dissimilarity to the others mentioned above rules out the Roman Empire. The next empire following the Roman Empire that occupied the same area as the ancient Babylonian, Media-Persia and Grecian Empires, was the Ottoman/Islamic Empire. This empire must then be the legs of iron - Daniel 2.

The toes are ten Middle East Provinces or British Mandates, that were established after the fall of the Ottoman/Islamic Empire, following the defeat of Turkey during World War I. These were as follows: Syria, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Turkey, Persia now called Iran, Egypt, Basrah, Baghdad and Mosul. Iraq was later formed by combining Basrah, Baghdad and Mosul.

And whereas thou sawest the feet and toes, part of potters' clay, and part of iron, the kingdom shall be divided; but there shall be in it of the strength of the iron, forasmuch as thou sawest the iron mixed with miry clay. And as the toes of the feet were part of iron, and part of clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong, and partly broken. And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay. "And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever." Daniel 2

No better description of the Muslim and Arabian Nations can be found than the toes of the Neb. Statue, as described by Daniel above. It perfectly describes the inability of the ten Arabian Kingdoms to come to a common consensus and agreement with each other = partly broken, and yet at the same time they are bound by a common religion and customs = partly strong. Even though they are similar in customs, they will not cleave one to another, or unite in common purpose. And during the time of these kingdoms, the Kingdom of God will be established.



posted on Aug, 27 2004 @ 11:21 PM
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Basra, Baghdad and Mosul are only three parts of one country, are you taking them as tribal lands (shi'ite, sunni and kurd) or do you have another interpretation?



posted on Aug, 28 2004 @ 01:17 AM
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The ten provinces that were drawn up by Britain following the defeat and fall of the Turkish Ottoman/Islamic Empire during World War One, in the years 1920-1922. They were Basrah, Baghdad, Mosul, Syria, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Turkey, Persia now called Iran, and Egypt. Under British Mandate Basrah, Baghdad and Mosul were "later consolidated" into the province of Iraq. This agrees with Daniel in that the "little horn" uproots three of the original ten, and so Iraq is the little horn mentioned by Daniel. Interestingly enough, Iraq is still divided into the three provinces of Basrah, Baghdad and Mosul. The seven remaining provinces now comprise the balance of Arab/Muslim Nations in the Middle East.

This means that the ten provinces, now eight Middle East Nations, will form an alliance.

The objectives will be the development of an Islamic Empire, the destruction of Israel, the capture of Jerusalem, and occupation of the Temple Mount. At the same time, a man will emerge in conjunction with the nation of Iraq, and will think to change times and laws. True to the Book of Daniel, a man, President Bush, has brought about the U.S. invasion and occupation of Iraq, and is thinking to change times and laws in the Middle East, exactly as foretold by Daniel.

References for the above can be found in any good encyclopedia under the History of the Middle East following World War I. The British Mandates and Protectorates of the Middle East after WWI. The Turkish Campaigns of World War I and in the individual histories of the ten nations mentioned above.



posted on Aug, 28 2004 @ 12:17 PM
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Daniel also speaks of a nation in the end time with the symbol of the eagle ?? America maybe?? Born of a mother called Babylon?? England maybe?? First it was a lion with eagles wings then the wings were removed.Says her mother england (who gave birth to the Daughter of Babylon ) will in the end be confounded that she bore her and will go into perpetual decline before the end.

search "is america babylon" or "england/britian america babylon"

im not a nut job who hates america or england...but i came across this info a while ago...if you get into it it is FREAKY because with all the evidence there is not any other nation that could fullfill it as well so perfectly.

im not disputing the EU thing..it is scary..but the most powerful nation now is AMerica and will remain for a long time. All the talk and books and spin on EU is one thing..but dont forget whats going down right now...Iraqi war?? How bout reading Habbabuk please !!!!

I also read some of the link earlier about interpretations of the bible and prophecy. Must say from my humble opinon most of it is incorrect..too much symbolism taken in the wrong context. the truth is availble but the problem is the same with everyone..once you hear the truth do you want to believe it??

"Behold i do a work in your day , though it be told to you ..YOU WILL NOT BELIEVE IT" thats in Habb...read it please...IT IS AMAZING!!!! But 99% of you WONT BELIEVE IT!

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posted on Sep, 27 2004 @ 04:22 PM
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Originally posted by TruthStrgnrThanFiction
Daniel also speaks of a nation in the end time with the symbol of the eagle ?? America maybe??


The Eagle is the Symbol of my Country
GERMANY

(picture is from the "bundesdruckerei" (means german state printery) - homepage)

And this organistation is the one, which would make the "signs" on our hands and forehead if that would come in form of the "smardcards" because of, the Bundesdruckerei makes german passports, ID's, german euros, it does biometrical thing, too...

The last eagle (in colour), which looks like a reversed pyramid with sunbeams is the actual symbol of germany and especial the Bundesdruckerei


They print also the german personal Identifications:



german "perso"



Baphomet, the beast.



images.google.de...

here you can see some other pictures of german "persos"

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posted on Sep, 28 2004 @ 12:07 AM
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If it comes from a Bible then I highly doubt it. The writers of the Bible were referring to powers that existed in their time frame because most of them believed the end times would happen relatively soon.

They were by no means referring to events 2000 years in the future. But then again, 5000 years from now if there is still some form of human civilisation with a linear tie to present times I'm sure Christians then will find a way to tie Daniel to their times as well so whats the point of arguing with them.



posted on Sep, 28 2004 @ 12:53 AM
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Originally posted by Weller
If it comes from a Bible then I highly doubt it. The writers of the Bible were referring to powers that existed in their time frame because most of them believed the end times would happen relatively soon.

They were by no means referring to events 2000 years in the future. But then again, 5000 years from now if there is still some form of human civilisation with a linear tie to present times I'm sure Christians then will find a way to tie Daniel to their times as well so whats the point of arguing with them.



Yes that's right, you of course having been there when the bible was written, know what they were referring to. Because there is no other explanation for your outrageous comments like


most of them believed the end times would happen relatively soon.

But how could you know what they all thought? Oh that's right, i forgot, you were right there when it happened.

I personally think that EU is looking frighteningly similar to the prophesies mentioned in pervious posts.

Reflector



posted on Sep, 28 2004 @ 01:01 AM
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Nonsense the Three Horns are Canada , Mexico, and El Salvador everyone knows that, duh.



posted on Sep, 28 2004 @ 01:52 AM
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Since this is the first bbs that I have ever been on, I am not sure if this is a legal move or not, but I would rather not retype this stuff. If I did a boo-boo, please just let me know and I will append my post, no problem.

Here are two other threads that I have posted that are related to this subject. I suggest reading the stuff at the link on the second post. I used to be a Futurist, until I read this mans work, and it changes my entire outlook. I finally think that I know what the great deception is in the end times, and it is Futurism.

The catholic church literally hunted into extinction 3 of its founding tribes, those are the three horns torn up.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Originally posted by defcon5
Beasts are always supposed to be countries, horns are supposed to be rulers; horns with crowns are literal kings, or countries that once had kings:

Dan 7:7 after this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and broke in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.
Dan 7:8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.

From here it depends on which of the schools of prophetic interpretation you accept or are willing to accept. There are three, Historicism (which most protestant reformers originally taught), Futurism (which is the most popular and well known today, and is now accepted by many protestants), or Preterism.

Historicism teaches that the end times began shortly after Christs death (around 70 AD, with the fall of Jerusalem) and continues on to this day, culminating in a final ruling super-power that enforces the mark of the beast, and is ruled by one of the anti-Christs.

Futurism teaches that the end times comes in the future with a 7 year tribulation period that involves an all powerful anti-Christ that rebuilds the temple in Israel, declares himself God, and causes the mark of the beast to be enforced. Most Christians today seem to accept this one because it is the one that allows for a Pre-tribulation rapture.

Preterism basically teaches the idea is that most or all of the prophecies found in Daniel, Matthew, 2 Thessalonians, and Revelation have largely been fulfilled in the past in connection with the fall of Jerusalem.




www.abovetopsecret.com...

Originally posted by defcon5
What you are finding is that many of the original Protestant religions believe that the station of the Pope is that of the little horn of Daniel. The Roman Catholic Church is viewed as the first beast with the thirteen horns. This is known as a Historic view on prophesy, there is also a Preteristic, and a futuristic view (the most common nowadays).

In the historic view, the end of the world begins after the fall of Israel around 70AD, and continues on until the return of Christ. Martin Luther was one of the first proponents of this belief, and Lutherans today are supposed to follow it, they however believe that it is the station, and not any specific Pope in general. The reason that the little horn is ascribed to the pope is because he comes up among the original 13 horns and roots out three, this is the original 13 sects that made up the roman empire, of which 3 where hunted into extinction. He oversaw the torture and burning of heretics, and considers his opinions to be without error, just to name a few of the similarities between this office and the little horn. Rather then type a book here, I will leave you with a quote from a page that explains this well, and a link to the site it came from, you can research it further there if you wish.

www.endtimeinsights.com... [\quote]



posted on Sep, 28 2004 @ 02:51 AM
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there are alot of nations and things today that could related strongly to the biblical end times scenario.

futurism is based on a strong literal biblical foundation, a theme throughout the bible..that at some point the meek will inherit the earth etc.

Rome must be in the end times somewhere as will most probably be America as the harlot but it is interesting to note that all of the prophecies of Daniel have been fullfilled in the past even the temple being desicrated etc. so maybe it is a dual prophecy ??? like to happen again?? the bible even says that what was in the past God requires to happen again etc??

there will be some form of tribulation on the earth in the future..massive tribulation billions dying etc...but is the ground work for that already at work in the world?? povety,aids,immorality , godless humanistic world??? if the money loses its power to feed us all the above will just escalate into wars etc. i dont agree with the left behind idea of the end time at all...the world will be in massive turmoil and many people will die before things get even worse.....the bible and jesus speak of ...>>>> massive tribulation >>>>>>> DAYS OF VENEGANCE SO ALL THE SCRIPTURE MIGHT BE FULLFILLED >>>>>>immediately after those days Jesus will come with his mighty angels.
so we may know when the tribulation is near but not when Jesus comes.



posted on Sep, 28 2004 @ 03:03 AM
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TruthStrgnrThanFiction

The biggest thing that scares me in the end times is the amount of people that think they can be BAD right up to the last minute because they think they have the signs all figured out, based on futurism.

They think that there is going to be a one time all powerful anti-Christ, a rebuilding of the temple, a covenant made and broken, and until then they can go about their happy lives. This is NOT what God promised, he said it would be a big surprise to a lot of people that considered themselves Christians.

How many people would believe that something that already exists like the RFID, is not potentially the mark of the beast, and that the loss of freedom in this country is not the rise of the second beast simply based on this.

I suggest people take a look at the link above, and at the very least give a perusal, and wonder, what if




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