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Apostle Paul says it's better to be celibate.

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posted on Sep, 9 2011 @ 11:00 AM
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said before so i say it again, judge not lest thee be judged




posted on Sep, 9 2011 @ 11:01 AM
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Originally posted by InshaAllah
said before so i say it again, judge not lest thee be judged


Listen to those sermons I posted a link to. It covers that verse quite well.



posted on Sep, 9 2011 @ 11:02 AM
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Originally posted by IlluminatusOculus33

Originally posted by InshaAllah
Show me the quote in the bible where jesus said sex is wrong.


For some are eunuchs because they were born that way; others were made that way by men; and others have renounced marriage because of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it." -Matthew 19:12


this says nothing about sex



posted on Sep, 9 2011 @ 11:03 AM
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Originally posted by IlluminatusOculus33

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
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Wait, just because Jack T. Chick violates Romans 14:4, I'm supposed to as well?

How does that make any sense?


Nonbeliever's Favorite Verse Part 1

Nonbeliever's Favorite Verse Part 2

Covers the topic of judging. You have an incorrect view of what the Bible actually teaches.


Ahh, so now I'm the heretic? Well, it was fun discussing Paul and celibacy for a portion of the first page. God bless you, I hope sooner than later your posts reflect the fruits of the Holy Spirit (Gal. 5:22-23) in these public forums.


But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.



posted on Sep, 9 2011 @ 11:03 AM
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A eunuch ( /ˈjuːnək/; Greek: Ευνούχος) is a person born male who is castrated, typically early enough in his life for this change to have major hormonal consequences. (Less commonly, in translations of ancient texts, "eunuch" may refer to a man who is not castrated but who is impotent, celibate, or who displays effeminate characteristics.) Castration was typically carried out on the soon-to-be eunuch without his consent in order that he might perform a specific social function; this was common in many societies. The earliest records for intentional castration to produce eunuchs are from the Sumerian city of Lagash in the 21st century BC.[1][2] Over the millennia since, they have performed a wide variety of functions in many different cultures: courtiers or equivalent domestics, treble singers, religious specialists, government officials, military commanders, and guardians of women or harem servants.



posted on Sep, 9 2011 @ 11:03 AM
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You also have to remember that Paul of Tarsus was included in the canonical bible because of his influence in the Christian sects that were brought together to make the Bible as we know it today. (Council of Nicea)

Remember, though, that Paul did not have the authority that people think he did... he was repudiated by Peter over the need for circumcision in Gentiles who became Christian. Paul felt that Christians should be Judaized in their food proscriptions and circumcision. After this, while Catholic scholarship feels that Peter relented, other Protestant scholars say Paul was persona non grata in Antioch after that, as he never returned.

Paul's testimony to women has also been called into question. JR Daniel Kirk indicates that Romans 16 testifies to the role of women in church - praising Phoebe, Prisca, and Aquila in their work. Further testimony to this can be found in Galatians 3:28. "There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus." ther equality indicated in this statement stands in direct contradiction to 'do not suffer a woman to speak' nonsense and indicates that other writers included misogyny, especially considering that Paul praised and wrote of women leaders in the early church.

All this is presented to support my idea that misogyny as listed as part of Paul's teaching can be called into question because Biblical scholarship into his writings indicate taht his teachings were inclusive and accepting of women in leadership roles and his writings were since tampered with to support a male-centric viewpoint.



posted on Sep, 9 2011 @ 11:03 AM
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Originally posted by InshaAllah

Originally posted by IlluminatusOculus33

Originally posted by InshaAllah
Show me the quote in the bible where jesus said sex is wrong.


For some are eunuchs because they were born that way; others were made that way by men; and others have renounced marriage because of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it." -Matthew 19:12


this says nothing about sex



You can't have sex outside marriage it's a sin. So if you don't marry you stay celibate. It's not a hard concept to understand.

He was using eunuch as a metaphor.
edit on 9-9-2011 by IlluminatusOculus33 because: (no reason given)



posted on Sep, 9 2011 @ 11:04 AM
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Originally posted by IlluminatusOculus33

Originally posted by InshaAllah
Show me the quote in the bible where jesus said sex is wrong.


For some are eunuchs because they were born that way; others were made that way by men; and others have renounced marriage because of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it." -Matthew 19:12


Where does Christ say sex is wrong?



posted on Sep, 9 2011 @ 11:06 AM
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5. Woman under the Developing Mores (936.5) 84:5.1 In self-perpetuation woman is man’s equal, but in the partnership of self-maintenance she labors at a decided disadvantage, and this handicap of enforced maternity can only be compensated by the enlightened mores of advancing civilization and by man’s increasing sense of acquired fairness. (936.6) 84:5.2 As society evolved, the sex standards rose higher among women because they suffered more from the consequences of the transgression of the sex mores. Man’s sex standards are only tardily improving as a result of the sheer sense of that fairness which civilization demands. Nature knows nothing of fairness — makes woman alone suffer the pangs of childbirth. (936.7) 84:5.3 The modern idea of sex equality is beautiful and worthy of an expanding civilization, but it is not found in nature. When might is right, man lords it over woman; when more justice, peace, and fairness prevail, she gradually emerges from slavery and obscurity. Woman’s social position has generally varied inversely with the degree of militarism in any nation or age. (937.1) 84:5.4 But man did not consciously nor intentionally seize woman’s rights and then gradually and grudgingly give them back to her; all this was an unconscious and unplanned episode of social evolution. When the time really came for woman to enjoy added rights, she got them, and all quite regardless of man’s conscious attitude. Slowly but surely the mores change so as to provide for those social adjustments which are a part of the
persistent evolution of civilization. The advancing mores slowly provided increasingly better treatment for females; those tribes which persisted in cruelty to them did not survive. (937.2) 84:5.5 The Adamites and Nodites accorded women increased recognition, and those groups which were influenced by the migrating Andites have tended to be influenced by the Edenic teachings regarding women’s place in society. (937.3) 84:5.6 The early Chinese and the Greeks treated women better than did most surrounding peoples. But the Hebrews were exceedingly distrustful of them. In the Occident woman has had a difficult climb under the Pauline doctrines which became attached to Christianity, although Christianity did advance the mores by imposing more stringent sex obligations upon man. Woman’s estate is little short of hopeless under the peculiar degradation which attaches to her in Mohammedanism, and she fares even worse under the teachings of several other Oriental religions.


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posted on Sep, 9 2011 @ 11:09 AM
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christ never said sex is wrong



posted on Sep, 9 2011 @ 11:10 AM
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You also have to remember that Paul of Tarsus was included in the canonical bible because of his influence in the Christian sects that were brought together to make the Bible as we know it today. (Council of Nicea)


Dear Lord Jesus, if I read this internet myth another time I'm going to gouge my eyes out with my toothbrush. The cannon of scripture was never discussed at Nicea, the council was convened to discuss the Arian controversy. How do people still believe this nonsense?

Here is what Peter said of Paul in 2 Peter 3:15-16:


And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as the other scriptures also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.



posted on Sep, 9 2011 @ 11:12 AM
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Ive never heard about this, could you please explain a little more (Arian controversy)



posted on Sep, 9 2011 @ 11:12 AM
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Originally posted by InshaAllah
christ never said sex is wrong


Correct, and if you consider that Christ was the Creator of Genesis 1 then He also created sex organs and the means for reproduction.



posted on Sep, 9 2011 @ 11:14 AM
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Originally posted by NOTurTypical

Originally posted by InshaAllah
christ never said sex is wrong


Correct, and if you consider that Christ was the Creator of Genesis 1 then He also created sex organs and the means for reproduction.



I like your thinking on this and do agree but not sure how you feel about christ himself, do you put him in the god category or?



posted on Sep, 9 2011 @ 11:18 AM
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Originally posted by InshaAllah
Ive never heard about this, could you please explain a little more (Arian controversy)


Yes, sure.

Nicea Myths


The Arian controversy describes several controversies between the Christian Church fathers Arius and Athanasius related to Christology which divided the Christian church from before the Council of Nicaea in 325 to after the Council of Constantinople in 381. The most important of these controversies concerned the relationship between God the Father and God the Son.


Arian Controversy



posted on Sep, 9 2011 @ 11:19 AM
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Originally posted by InshaAllah

Originally posted by NOTurTypical

Originally posted by InshaAllah
christ never said sex is wrong


Correct, and if you consider that Christ was the Creator of Genesis 1 then He also created sex organs and the means for reproduction.



I like your thinking on this and do agree but not sure how you feel about christ himself, do you put him in the god category or?


God the Son, yes. God the Father, no.



posted on Sep, 9 2011 @ 11:22 AM
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he was repudiated by Peter over the need for circumcision in Gentiles who became Christian. Paul felt that Christians should be Judaized in their food proscriptions and circumcision.


Are you kidding me? Have you read Galatians? Paul calls those Galatians who were tricked into following the law after conversion "foolish" and "bewitched". And furthermore, it was Paul who rebuked Peter, not vice versa.



posted on Sep, 9 2011 @ 11:39 AM
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Originally posted by NOTurTypical

Originally posted by InshaAllah

Originally posted by NOTurTypical

Originally posted by InshaAllah
christ never said sex is wrong


Correct, and if you consider that Christ was the Creator of Genesis 1 then He also created sex organs and the means for reproduction.



I like your thinking on this and do agree but not sure how you feel about christ himself, do you put him in the god category or?


God the Son, yes. God the Father, no.



aha close to my thinking as well. thanks i be reading up



posted on Sep, 9 2011 @ 11:42 AM
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Originally posted by InshaAllah

Originally posted by NOTurTypical

Originally posted by InshaAllah

Originally posted by NOTurTypical

Originally posted by InshaAllah
christ never said sex is wrong


Correct, and if you consider that Christ was the Creator of Genesis 1 then He also created sex organs and the means for reproduction.



I like your thinking on this and do agree but not sure how you feel about christ himself, do you put him in the god category or?


God the Son, yes. God the Father, no.



aha close to my thinking as well. thanks i be reading up


God bless you, I've got to meander into work now, but I'll be back in a few hours. Enjoy the reading.



posted on Sep, 9 2011 @ 11:42 AM
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