Israel to ‘punish’ Turkey

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They're already on their way

Originally posted by Hellas
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They're already on their way

Its about time turkey punish Israel for his crimes
will they take action even if turkish warship are there

guess we will see soon

Armenians , Greeks and Jews all getting together to fight the Turks ?



For the uninitiated ;

This trio can't sustain an alliance due to their own differences .

Besides , consider this scenario for a change :

Azeris pounce on Armenians the moment they attack the Turks - bye bye Karabagh .

Turkish / Muslim minority in Greece would rise up - bye bye Thrace .

Israel has enough problems with Arabs and iranian nations , it doesn't need the hassle with the Turks .

I think the current Israeli government is deluded due to their political bias .

The Turkish warships are on their way as we type .... not long to wait now .

My opinion is that there won't be a conflict but perhaps some sort of ongoing dispute will be established , such as the Aegean one .

Even if there is a skirmish between Israeli & Turkish ships , I don't think it will escalate into anything serious , yet .

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sleep well.

you'd be surprised who can join forces.

Originally posted by fooks
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sleep well.

you'd be surprised who can join forces.

Ohhh the Great Game Player , yet again .


Will you go and fight the Turks too ?

Do you really think these 3 nations makes the Turks worry at night ?



Turks are by and large used to being ganged upon by several nations at the same time .

Lmfao.
Is this entire forum filled with little kids? What's this crap about "Israel pissing it's pants" and "Turkey losing sleep at night"? You guys for sure aren't for real, are you? Damn shame if you are.

This is nothing but a big blowing of hot air. Nothing will happen. No Turkish ship will enter Israeli waters and if it will, it will be destroyed and the Turks will have nothing to do but to weep in their own misery for not learning not to break our naval blockade.

You guys that are talking so much about how 'this' is scared of 'that' probably never seen a gun before, let alone know something about military/political/naval conflicts such as this one. Stop making a joke out of yourselves ffs.
Seriously, go put on a mini skirt, pom pons, and a sign that says "GO TURKEY" while making silly jumps and singing lousy catchphrases. You give out the impression of nothing more than a bunch of cheerleaders that can barely understand the game being played or what are the rules.



-From the Israeli POV: You can be dead sure nobody is scared of any Turkish ship, especially not at these times. So ships are on their way, so what? They can go all the way if they feel the need to, it's just stupid to believe a Turkish armed ship is going to try and break the naval blockade.

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Do you really think that there would only be a single ship escorting this humanitarian aid?

When you are faced with a psychotic, paranoid schizophrenic, scared country who believes that they can do what they want because they are "special" yet everyone is out to get them, you don't just send in 1 ship... You send a convoy with aircraft.

If just is one ship attacked, you send aircraft to the capital and blow them to bits.

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When you are faced with a psychotic, paranoid schizophrenic, scared country who believes that they can do what they want because they are "special" yet everyone is out to get them....

Come on,Turkey is not THAT bad.
Being realistic - i do not know if Turkey will eventually send military ships to escort convoys to Gaza. If they do - it will start a war. And since no country in Mediterranian is interested in that (although there might be some internet posters who feel warm inside just imagining certain capitals bombed) ,not to mention NATO/EU/US/UN - the side who will try do the first step will be met with huge political pressure not to.
Just to remind you - UN said that Israeli blockade is legal. And breaking blockade with military force is a declaration of war.

Maybe Turkey should set up a blockade to keep Israeli arms out. You've got to see the irony in that.

I hope that they do go to war. It's about time someone has the balls to show israel that it's not all that it thinks it is. The ultra zionist government in power there needs an awakening, it needs a good old butt whipping to remind them that what they are doing is wrong and causing 100% of the problems they have with the territories, especially Gaza.

I really hope they get what they deserve and that the world finally wakes up... If any country needs a "spring cleanup" it's israel... The zionist regime needs to be changed and the people need to revolt.

And americans need to stop sending billions of dollars they don't have to israel.

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I hope that they do go to war.

As long as we understand what side really wants the blood to flow... I remember how before the Gaza war lots of anti-Israeli posters wanted the escalation,too.

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The palmer report is already under attack for its statement that the blockade is legal(which it isn't) either that or the UN likes to flip flop between saying the blockade is illegal and in another saying it is legal.. the most respected international court in the world says it is illegal, amnesty says it is illegal, human rights watch, red cross etc As for this, i think it is hot air...Turkey has the military means to do so if they wish, the only question is if they feel the repercussions are worth it, that goes for Israel as well....the Turkish military certainly aren't the men, woman and children cowering in fear that the Israeli military is so proficient at blowing up in F16's. Regardless, political posturing...either it will die out and no one will think twice about it again, or both Israel and Turkey are trying to call each others bluff.

Wait, so now Israel will be guilty of what it's been talking about this entire time? Day after day they talk about Syria and Iran giving weapons to Hezbollah and Hamas. Now Israel is giving weapons to the Kurds? Listen, I support a Kurdish state, a Palestinian state and a free Lebanese state, but the hypocracy in Israel just shocks me. Does anyone else still think Israel is some kind of poor Jewish state getting bullied around by her Muslim neighbors? Or are yer eyes opening up to the low tactics Israel usually comes out with.

9 Turkish citizens die, Israel won't apologize, Turkey downgrades relations.

Israel thinks it has to get back at Turkey, because that's Israels mentality, so it arms rebels that kill civilians.

Uhh..Yea.

Cool story

Wait, so now Israel will be guilty of what it's been talking about this entire time? Day after day they talk about Syria and Iran giving weapons to Hezbollah and Hamas. Now Israel is giving weapons to the Kurds? Listen, I support a Kurdish state, a Palestinian state and a free Lebanese state, but the hypocracy in Israel just shocks me. Does anyone else still think Israel is some kind of poor Jewish state getting bullied around by her Muslim neighbors? Or are yer eyes opening up to the low tactics Israel usually comes out with.

9 Turkish citizens die, Israel won't apologize, Turkey downgrades relations.

Israel thinks it has to get back at Turkey, because that's Israels mentality, so it arms rebels that kill civilians.

Uhh..Yea.

Cool story

Originally posted by Atzil321
Rather than recognise the danger signs, Israel is as belligerent and arrogant as ever. Unless they engage with the rest of the middle and show some much needed foresight, they risk destroying their very way of life.

Dude, that's what Israel does. When # his the fan, Israel puts on its war face to scare everyone and hopes they will back down and it will all blow over. Looks like Turkey isn't flinching though... It's about time they start standing up for themselves. Just like my dad told me, never let anyone push you to the ground. God speed Palestine, God speed Turkey.

Originally posted by IsraeliGuy
Lmfao.

-From the Israeli POV: You can be dead sure nobody is scared of any Turkish ship, especially not at these times. So ships are on their way, so what? They can go all the way if they feel the need to, it's just stupid to believe a Turkish armed ship is going to try and break the naval blockade.

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I am generally pro-Israel in terms of it's right to exist, if not how it goes about seeing to that. However, wars often start in large part by the miscalculation and bad assumptions of all sides. What you say there is an opinion I dearly hope isn't shared within the Israeli Government and Military command structure.

Sinking a Turkish warship is like killing an American cop. You get the one, but surprise! There are 100 or 1,000 more RIGHT behind that one and they're coming with blood in their eyes. Turkey has military alliances which become very interesting if Israel did a thing like that. How does Turkey respond to an overt and violent act of war from a nation which is an ally to it's allies?

Lets just hope cooler heads prevail and the world never has to find out how messy and complicated this can get while nations are shooting at each other. We also have Sept 20th coming up fast....it's time to dial things down, not insure everybody is at war by the end of the month. Israel and Turkey both need to consider that.

we are ready for all. and you?
fighting with 3 nations? fear? israel have nukes?

dont forgat we did it before..
en.wikipedia.org...

Originally posted by demoncleaner

Jerusalem to punish Erdogan: Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman has decided to adopt a series of harsh measures in response to Turkey’s latest anti-Israeli moves, Yedioth Ahronoth reported Friday.

This has the ability to spark a major war, this is note merely downgrading diplomatic ties, Israel is talking about arming the Kurdish rebels:

Lieberman is also planning to set meetings with the heads of Kurdish rebel group PKK in Europe in order to “cooperate with them and boost them in every possible area.” In these meetings, the Kurds may ask Israel for military aid in the form of training and arms supplies, a move that would constitute a major anti-Turkish position should it materialize.

Also threatening to do serious damage to Turkeys international image by supporting the Armeninians in their bid to have the Armenian genocide recognized:

Another planned Israeli move is the facilitation of cooperation with Turkey’s historic rivals, the Armenians. During Lieberman’s visit to the United States this month, the foreign minister is expected to meet with leaders of the Armenian lobby and propose anti-Turkish cooperation in Congress. The implication of this move could be Israeli assistance in promoting international recognition of the Armenian holocaust, a measure that would gravely harm Turkey. Israel may also back Armenia in its dispute vis-à-vis Turkey over control of Mount Ararat

This doesnt sound good and it looks like they are headed for a massive stand off, I dont think anything good can come of this.

See the article for the whole story: Israel to punish Turkey.

Many guys commenting need to grasp first of all one fact, Turkey is the sixth super power after the UK they are a country not to be taken lightly. Israel needs to know they are not dealing with stone throwing Palestinians or Katyusha bearing Hezbollah. Neither their tough talk nor the bogyman Commandos are gonna get them out of this one, they will have to sit this one down and be ready to lose or win on the discussion table. And trust me, no country is going to use a nuke on another any time soon.
If some of these nations don't change with humanity, they will all go down in history as the oppressive institutions they are.

By the way for those who don't know these are the 2010 world military rankings; UNITED STATES, RUSSIA, CHINA, INDIA, UK, TURKEY, SOUTH KOREA, FRANCE, JAPAN, ISRAEL, BRAZIL

www.globalfirepower.com...

Israel has no means alone of "punishing" anything but the poor people of palestine. For all others they need help... and a lot.

If they were so self sufficient, so good and dangerous they would have attacked Iran long ago. They cant even face Iran let alone a powerful army like turkey.

Israel is just a coward nation... if their support backs down, they will get their head kicked in by turkey so hard they will never rise as a nation again.

Originally posted by thoughtsfull
... If for example Turkish forces attacked the UKs bases then that would by default bring in France.. France like the UK have extensive maritime and amphibious forces in the Med at the moment and both side with Greece and Cyprus.
As for the US, given who falls on which side it might not be a case of supporting Israel over Turkey but rather UK/France/Greece/Cyprus over Turkey.
Given how that could escalate I am sure nothing will come of this as I do not feel Turkey are that silly.. especially if it meant a Royal Navy SLBM might end up sitting off her coast.

I don't think this scenario is will thought out because U.S. and UK would probably not want to kill their own kind. There are 5,000 U.S. airmen and hundreds of UK airmen stationed at Incirlik AB (Turkey), to help defend Turkey. And there's the problem of the 90 NATO nuclear weapons (B61 bombs) stored at Incirlik AB. 50 are assigned to USAF, and 40 assigned to Turkish Air Force. Even if some screwy reason NATO decide to evict Turkey, Turkey would just walk away with its 40 B61's, and things will even get more messy.