The Black Athena Debate, page 1
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reply posted on 8-9-2011 @ 09:27 PM by Silentkiss
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Not sure about the author who put forward alot of the evidence but regardless of that the debate is still quite alive within historical circles.



reply posted on 8-9-2011 @ 09:40 PM by MrsBlonde
i often wondered why some ancient gods were black
Truth of God Institute

I just read an awesome article called The Black god and the Ancient Mysteries,or Why is Vishnu Dark Blue

you can google the title and download it as a PDF. I highly recommend reading it he talks about God being so brilliant and incandescent that he killed his own creation attempts with his glory, so he shielded himself in a shadow that resembles Lapis Lazuli, it's a beautiful article

my mind was completely blown by the incredible scholarship that went into this article it's definitely out of the box


reply posted on 10-9-2011 @ 03:02 PM by nii900
the shadows are - dark marks ...letters like if.. sumerians were there in need of darkness or.. they had it by nature in abundance..so meet the bos-man again
(...i dunno..). ((anyway))
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i see it as in '08 repeated.. sumlike one now.. celtic personality adopt ed by the older sikhs of/on the moon.. talking tru and to 'ir-it-is' all ..off..ifs... right ?
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(((nothing to do with athena)))
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munies like ..lATONa - is-is here en.wikipedia.org...
as LETO in sl. means ..sumer ..was it a real sum-mer(sea)?
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..as..the guy was talkin' blav-at-sky
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reply posted on 10-9-2011 @ 07:50 PM by radosta
Black Athena had an enormous impact on African American Afrocentrist movements, because it offers a less Eurocentric theory of origin for western civilization.

The book also ignited a debate in the academic community. While some reviewers contend that studies of the origin of Greek civilization were tainted by a foundation of 19th century racism, many have criticised Bernal for the speculative nature of his hypothesis, his unsystematic and linguistically incompetent handling of etymologies as well as his naive handling of ancient myth and historiography. The claims made in Black Athena were heavily questioned inter alia in Black Athena Revisited (1996), a collection of essays edited by Mary Lefkowitz, Professor Emerita of Classical Studies at Wellesley College in Massachusetts, and her colleague Guy MacLean Rogers.[2][3]

Critics voice their strongest doubts over Bernal's approach to language and word derivations (etymologies). Cambridge Egyptologist John D. Ray has accused Bernal's work of having a confirmation bias.[4] Edith Hall compares Bernal's thesis to the myth of the Olympian gods overwhelming the Titans and Giants, which was once thought of as a historical recollection of Homo sapiens taking over from Neanderthal man. She asserts that this historical approach to myth firmly belongs in the nineteenth century.[5]

Others have challenged the lack of archaeological evidence for Bernal's thesis. Egyptologist James Weinstein points out that there is very little evidence that the ancient Egyptians were a colonizing people in the third millennium and second millennium BC.[6] Furthermore, there is no evidence for Egyptian colonies of any sort in the Aegean world. Weinstein accuses Bernal of relying primarily on his interpretations of Greek myths as well as distorted interpretations of the archaeological and historical data.[6]

In 2001 Bernal published "Black Athena Writes Back: Martin Bernal Responds to Critics" as a response criticism of his earlier works.


wikipedia:
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Martin Bernal really started this whole theory in the 90s. Problem is, he based much of his theory on faulty linguistic evidence. He has no background, education, or training in linguistics. The archeological and historiographic evidence he uses is highly speculative. In the realm of "plausible" rather than "probable".

Bernal is an academic but he is trained in modern Chinese politics. Not ancient near east/mediteranean history.
In other words, professionals in this field think the work is largely pseudo history. Not as bad as Graham Hancock or Zacharia Sitchkin pseudo history but pseudo all the same.

Not to say that Greek culture sprang from nothing or that Egyptians/Phoenicians had no influence whatsoever on ancient Greece, just that the idea of Western Culture really originating from Africa is a very exaggerated and highly unlikely idea.

But there is plenty reading material on the matter from both sides on the net and in books. Be careful, though. Pseudo historians abound. Better to stay with professionals who do actual real research instead of speculation that "becomes" factual because enough armchair historians repeat it on the internet.
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