posted on Sep, 10 2011 @ 01:03 PM
reply to post by paraphi
Arguably the people in the UK also set the agenda, in that the issues of the day are reflected in the business of the government. Simply put,
if the government does not reflect the general will of the people then they are booted out of office. You may think that they are not, but the
evidence sugests they are.
Yes – like we set the agenda for deciding to invade Iraq? Like we set the agenda for becoming signatories to an EU constitution without the
promised referendum? Like we set the agenda for power, for contracts, for transport? They are booted out of office on a fairly regular basis – in
the vain hope that some things will actually change. They never will. A political party is surprisingly cheap to get in your back pocket – simply
fund both sides – and that’s just what business does. There is no political choice in the UK anymore – there is simply more corporatism – no
matter what party is elected.
disagree. I think people now are more informed than ever. I am certainly informed, or like to think so. You go into a pub and there will be
half a dozen opinions on how to kill the proverbial cat. Whether the “public at large” gives a toss is moot.
You really think people are more informed than ever? Really? When The Sun is the biggest selling paper in the country and it writes for an IQ of
about 80? There’s certainly a lot of misinformation out there. A lot of fantasy conspiracy that distracts from the real matters at hand....that and
But give me five minutes to try to explain to anyone how the insurance industry has our political and legal classes in its pocket for an absolute song
and their eyes simply begin to glaze over...the concentration just isn’t there....but it’s messing fundamentally with ordinary peoples’
The “public at large” are happy to proceed with their lives so long as certain things happen and lines are not crossed. For example, a
line was crossed with MP’s expenses and not only did some politicians lose their seats, the government has been compelled to act.
Well we keep being told we’re on the way out of recession. That’s simply not true – there’s been very little by way of private enterprise
happening in the country for about 20 years (apart from house building – and that was a racket not an industry). When this recession really does
expose itself for what it is (the catch up of the UK economy since the mid 70’s without a credit card for all and sundry) we will then see how happy
the public at large is to maintain the status quo.
Similarly, although we rant and rave about Europe and all hold an opinion about the pesky French, actually the “public at large” want
economic stability and their freedoms assured. They don’t want to read the Marrastrict Treaty or even know how to spell the bloody word! If they
want to be “informed” then there are hundreds of websites and newspapers to help them.
The key points in the Maastrich Treaty weren’t even given to us in bite size chinks – that’s because it laid out the plans for the euro – and
we would have rejected it outright.
Translated to the UK, for a “Frequent Referendum” to be called 1.2% of the electorate would have to support it – that’s 500,000+
people to get a legal revision considered. For a Popular Initiative, to get some political debate would be 2.5% of the electorate, or 1.2 million
people filling a form.
We live in the 21st century – these things are easy to do – and if the issue is of importance – and an actual debate and vote would be the end
result – then the numbers would be there ok.
The current situation in the UK is that the government will debate an issue if 100,000 people sign a petition. It seems the UK proviso is more
generous then Switzerland!
That’s a tokenistic gesture by our government. They also have the ability to talk popular legislation out of time too. Or just pass from one house
to the other until the next election. Result – more of the same.
Prove to me that the average UK person is less “informed” than their Swiss counterpart.
Pop into any Glasgow chatroom any old time....you can hear it for yourself.