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That was a quote from NewAgeMan
To sin is to "miss the mark" of perfection, and this is why Jesus did what he did, as an invitation to us, to evolve spiritually as a "work in progress" on the path of progress towards perfection. Anything less, is too brutal, and God does not make orphans of his own children. Praise God for the saving, intercessory grace of Jesus Christ, that righteousness can be accounted to us by faith. All sin is rooted in ignorance, may we learn and grow into light, set free for the sake of freedom to freely love as we are loved.
"Love, and do as you will."
~ St. Augustine
We are all sinners my friend, but very few are the willful sinners without the capacity for repentance and renewal
Originally posted by OmegaLogos
Ultimately...There can ONLY BE ONE!
This is Spiritual Science with high level mathematics using Time+Space algorythyms used as an ALLEGORY for our relationships BOTH spiritually and physically with each other i.e. or sine / sin = Attitude!
Its also an issue of SCALE and Location of POV.
For example.... Observing the entire universal/GLOBAL scale from a TRANSCENDENT [i.e. Non Local to the Global state] POV results in seeing the WHOLE of Time+Space existence as a singularity and there is only YOU observing this. This is the POV of the SOURCE! Its a simple POV as it JUST IS! There is no Attitude and therfor NO sine / sin!
So now...let us come down a peg in the scale to a GLOBAL but IMMANENT POV. This results in an INTIMATE overview of the whole map from the POV of the MAP itself! This is the POV of the Godhead and is where all necessity can be fulfilled as you literally the ONE! There is Attitude but its all internal and not external and therefor it has no specific required angle
of attack and therefor no sine / sin!
OK lets go down another peg in scale to a LOCAL POV, which must be immanent by default of immersion within a greater GLOBAL scale!
This POV results in multiple relationships with all other localities.
These relationships are highly definable by their individual Attitudes towards / away from each other and those Attitudes can be wholy defined by there sine / sin angles between each of the Localities.
Personal Disclosure: There are more scales ect and I encourage anybody who understands what I have just posted and who wants some more info, to look carefully at my signature.
P.S. This thread TOTALLY made my day. It made ABSOLUTE sense to me!
edited [very late edit] to change The into This. Sigh
[edit on 14-2-2010 by OmegaLogos]
I'm not saying I agree or disagree at this moment but it seems to be a concise but comprehensive explanation that would be a good starting point for discussion.
Originally posted by GmoS719
reply to post by jmdewey60
I do agree accept for one thing.
It's impossible for us to be perfect, what Jesus wants us to do is be as close to perfect as possible.
Maybe this is what this guy meant, not sure.
Missing the mark is like the root words that the term in Greek is derived from but the word sin seems to have taken on a life of its own since the New Testament was written, and part of the reason why I think it would be helpful to get into looking at different aspects of it.
Originally posted by Open2Truth
I have also encountered the definition of sin as "missing the mark" and it makes much more sense to me than how our culture has come to define it. A reading of the New Testament with this definition in mind can be very illuminating.
This is something in 1 John 1, that the writer feels is important to the Christian community, this concept of walking in the light. It is implied that what you do in the light is not what some people do in darkness, so we need to always behave in a way that would be the sort of thing that would be done while being closely observed by all the rest of the community.
Originally posted by Grey Magic
sin is an emotional guilt trapped in the consciousness, it is created by all our negative emotions that come from our subconsciousness, only those that walk in the light with the righteous can repent.
Sin = Deliberate disobedience to the known will of God.
God instills in us right from wrong.
reply to post by sageofmonticello
To know the will of God is impossible so to call anything a sin is presumptuous.
Christianity very early on had apologists that would write books addressed to the Emperor about how it would be the ideal religion for an empire, to rule consecutively with the civil government, as a parallel, ecclesiastical government. So, I think, you ended up with (after the empire took them up on the offer), sins that matched pretty closely with what an empire would consider acceptable for public standards of behavior and then the degrading to a lower status, sins that were not offensive to a civil government. Bottom line, at a practical level, god = ruling oligarchy, when you have this sort of church/state relationship such as was in existence through the dark ages and onward to different degrees.
Religion is based on faith, Sin is based on the assumption that you know what God thinks somehow.
Nice preview, though and come back later if you have time, and add some answers, since it looks like you have one question already.
Don't have time right now to give this the attention it deserves. Later.