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Church and State Seperation

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posted on Aug, 26 2004 @ 08:54 PM
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right i deleted/edited content that would hurt me , whatever

/sarcasm

btw learn to quote. youve been registered for 2 years, its embarassing





[edit on 8/26/2004 by s13guy]




posted on Aug, 26 2004 @ 09:01 PM
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Originally posted by James the Lesser
"It is not common sense not to steal, rape etc.... these are values that are taught, we are not born with them. a lot of psychologists, its a known fact. I think you may be confusing Common sense with Conscious??"

Again, prove it! I see no links or facts stating that humans need to be taught that senseless slaughter and rape is wrong.


my previous post proved it, as everyone else can see

im done

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posted on Aug, 26 2004 @ 09:03 PM
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what posts? You didn't put any links, nothing! I swear, you state somnething but don' back it with anything.



posted on Aug, 26 2004 @ 09:04 PM
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Originally posted by James the Lesser
what posts? You didn't put any links, nothing! I swear, you state somnething but don' back it with anything.


stop being lazy and look at my previous posts for an italicized excerpt and a link IN RED
how convinient of you to forget that part
deny denial.

[edit on 8/26/2004 by s13guy]



posted on Aug, 26 2004 @ 09:12 PM
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Quoted by James the Lesser
"Ironically enough, you sound like a Christian (they deny evolution)"


how odd, you saw that and not my evidence which was on the very next line.

its obvious you lost. Now put your ego aside, concede in dignity or stop posting


[edit on 8/26/2004 by s13guy]



posted on Aug, 26 2004 @ 09:49 PM
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How exactly did this post turn into a grudge match between s13guy and James the Lesser. I dont even understand what you two are arguing about! This thread is about the seperation between church and state. How about you two drop this pointless argument and get back on topic by restating your opinions regarding the issue either I missed them or they were never really stated clearly.


Then you can decide if you really hold opposing views and argue (on topic please) all you like...



posted on Aug, 26 2004 @ 09:57 PM
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Originally posted by boogyman
How exactly did this post turn into a grudge match between s13guy and James the Lesser. I dont even understand what you two are arguing about! This thread is about the seperation between church and state. How about you two drop this pointless argument and get back on topic by restating your opinions regarding the issue either I missed them or they were never really stated clearly.


Then you can decide if you really hold opposing views and argue (on topic please) all you like...


I thought this was the mud-pit, excuse me



posted on Aug, 26 2004 @ 10:07 PM
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The purpose of the mudpit

I have nothing against you two arguing its just that your not really arguing on topic...



posted on Aug, 26 2004 @ 10:11 PM
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sry, guess it was hijacked, oops


i just get like that when accuse me of such things



posted on Aug, 26 2004 @ 10:11 PM
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Originally posted by boogyman
The purpose of the mudpit

I have nothing against you two arguing its just that your not really arguing on topic...



And sometimes, people don't always adhere to the rules......This is nothing new... And to reply to your above brilliant observation, i'd have to say "DUH"



posted on Aug, 26 2004 @ 10:13 PM
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Hey boogyman, reason I am mad is that he posted things with no proof. Also, he edited some things out after I pointed them out so I couldn't quote it. Wow, italicized? Well here is the same thing for you.

Psychologists state that all Jews and Masons have a yearly orgy on christmas just for the hell of it.

Wow, it is italicized, it must be true.

Went to your site, might as well go to the KKK site for the latest news on blacks and what they think. Or maybe the www.IhateMasons.com for info on the Masons instead of going to a Mason that I know.



posted on Aug, 26 2004 @ 10:35 PM
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Originally posted by s13guy
Some people are really dense...



Originally posted by James the Lesser
Your grandaddy told you? My grandaddy told me the jews are everywhere and came from Mars.

I guess you still didnt detect the jestual hint even after I bluntly stated it.


Originally posted by James the Lesser
It is not me that needs to disprove anything. You state something so you need to prove it.

Tell me what i stated and quote me, i still am puzzled by which statement you are talking about.


Originally posted by James the Lesser
I swear, that is actually a good arguement amongst the christians. "Well, instead of us proving god, why don't you disprove it? Well, you can't, so we right, even though we have no proof." Same reason I can follow and teach about the pebble people. Can you prove they don't exist? Well, guess that means they exist.

Hmm, odd. I dont recall asking you to disprove a god. please quote the statement if i did ask you to.


Originally posted by James the Lesser
Civilizations started before chrstianity and jews. Sumarians. China. Japan. Egypt. Greece. The villages on Engfland, Scotland, and Ireland. They were civilized, they followed rules you say jews/christians made up. But they were about 5,000-20,000 years older.

Please quote me where I said the jews/christians made up the playground rules. I do not recall stating that at all.


Originally posted by James the Lesser
I was never told that raping and stealing was wrong. I just know it is wrong.

hmm, you sure you aren't Christian?


Originally posted by James the Lesser
What do you mean "nor would we speak so highly of our Judeo-Christian values."? Those rules are not christian in origin.

Please stop taking my posts out of context, quote the text where I said laws originate from Judeo-Christian values. Oh wait you can't, because I never said that.


Originally posted by James the Lesser
What historical facts? I have never seen anything saying that says until 2,000 years ago everyone was an animal following no rules or morals. You have no proof of any of this because there is none. Instead of asking me to disprove it why don't you try to prove it?

Ironically enough, you sound like a Christian (they deny evolution)
In humans, it is not only our genes that can predispose us to behave in particular ways. Our behaviour can also be controlled by beliefs and emotional reactions that are instilled in us, usually when we are young. Through the process of socialisation, our parents and others inculcate us with ways of behaving that become part of who we are, and influence our actions for the rest of our life.

Inculcated behaviours typically include moral codes and social norms that influence the way we deal with others. Norms differ between cultures, but they are likely to include beliefs that it is wrong to cheat and lie, to murder, to fail to return favours from friends, to ignore those in urgent need of help, and to commit adultery. And cultures usually include norms that support and authorise punishment of those who break norms. Commonly, these systems of norms are reinforced by religious beliefs

users.tpg.com.au...





Your argument holds no water, so you must argue by inventing/twisting statements that are generally considered ignorant.





Originally posted by James the Lesser
Deny Ignorance.

Deny Stupidity.

[edit on 8/25/2004 by s13guy]




oh is that the italicized excerpt and link in red like i said earlier?
that most likely is the proof you are seeking

(btw the excerpt is right from the link, its a shame how you knock evolution)

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posted on Aug, 26 2004 @ 10:35 PM
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You guys are fighting like two kids on christmas who both got the same toy just different colours..
since it was entertaining to watch you guys go at it, mind having on argument on how the english language was formed?? And was it froma white, hispanic, chinese, japanese, viking?? who? indian, scottish, african??

round 2 *ding ding ding*



posted on Aug, 27 2004 @ 10:52 AM
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English language was fromed from 3 main languages, German, Latin, and the languages of the natives on the Island of England/UK/Scotland?Wales. Any thing else?



posted on Aug, 27 2004 @ 12:18 PM
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Originally posted by boogyman
How exactly did this post turn into a grudge match between s13guy and James the Lesser. I dont even understand what you two are arguing about! This thread is about the seperation between church and state. How about you two drop this pointless argument and get back on topic by restating your opinions regarding the issue either I missed them or they were never really stated clearly.


Then you can decide if you really hold opposing views and argue (on topic please) all you like...

Excellent idea boogyman.

Now can we all just argue on topic please.



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