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Originally posted by FSBlueApocalypse
So the government requiring practically your whole life's story just to get a driver's license isn't a search by the government?
Originally posted by FSBlueApocalypse
And an unreasonable one at that?
Originally posted by FSBlueApocalypse
And what do you mean by the 4th amendment applies to government and not the individual?
Originally posted by Anonymouth
Whether he is right or wrong does not matter.
It is people like him who actually get off their backsides and DO SOMETHING about what people on here type about in their armchairs.
The world needs people like him frankly.
The day you stop caring and the day you stop questioning things is the day you lost.
edit on 8-9-2011 by Anonymouth because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by FSBlueApocalypse
reply to post by Xcathdra
If showing ID is practically mandatory in this country, than how is it in any way voluntary. I have to show ID to get on a plane? Oh I could drive, so its voluntary. Oh wait, I still need to do that to get a driver's license. Oh wait, I could still walk from Florida to New York, so its voluntary.
What's that, I'm going to need a credit card and ID to try and get a hotel room? Oh I guess I could just sleep out in a ditch or something, but then I'll get busted for vagrancy.
Originally posted by Xcathdra
Questioning and caring are both good, but whats needed is for people to go one step farther and actually start voting and taking part in the process. Firing the elected officals who perform poorly or pass laws / support laws that are jus moronic.
Originally posted by FSBlueApocalypse
reply to post by Xcathdra
If showing ID is practically mandatory in this country, than how is it in any way voluntary. I have to show ID to get on a plane? Oh I could drive, so its voluntary. Oh wait, I still need to do that to get a driver's license. Oh wait, I could still walk from Florida to New York, so its voluntary.
What's that, I'm going to need a credit card and ID to try and get a hotel room? Oh I guess I could just sleep out in a ditch or something, but then I'll get busted for vagrancy.
Originally posted by FSBlueApocalypse
reply to post by Xcathdra
How can you say their is no 4th amendment violation? Have you ever actually read the 4th amendment?
Originally posted by Xcathdra
reply to post by highpriestess
Right, but before it goes to the court / process one of the key elements is - did a crime occur / was this party injured / etc.
Originally posted by Xcathdra
...In the end though, if you want to use certain services, both private and public, one requirement is to show ID. If you dont have the ID, there is nothing wrong with that, but just like any business, they dont have to help / sell you anything if you dont have it.
Originally posted by ldyserenity
reply to post by FSBlueApocalypse
As unconstitutional as it may be, I feel it's a good law, no illegals drunk driving killing me or my family, no ME guys car bombing if they can't get a license. WTH? Does everybody just want bad things to happen? I feel safer on Florida roads knowing some people are not driving, geez.