It looks like you're using an Ad Blocker.
Please white-list or disable AboveTopSecret.com in your ad-blocking tool.
Thank you.
Some features of ATS will be disabled while you continue to use an ad-blocker.
Yeah he actually called them out for not asking him even though he was a physician. The military donations should have been brought up, but nope, they decided to ask him about FEMA and TSA....
Ron Paul was a physician and has received the most military donations compared to all candidates combined and was the only one on the podium to have served.
You're right I forgot all about that. I didn't have MSNBC though so I had to watch it online, but I saw the commercial on The Daily Paul earlier today.
But that Trust ad he created was nationally posted and should have ran twice during the debates on commercial time.
Originally posted by Cuervo
You just pointed out the problem. We SHOULD have free trade within our borders. Not outside. Outside our borders, trade should be heavily tariffed.
ETA: I miscounted. He got 7 directed to him, but 3 of them were afterthoughts. He was not directed a question of healthcare, but he answered it anyway.
We SHOULD have free trade within our borders.
Not outside. Outside our borders, trade should be heavily tariffed.
But... even in the best of times under our current philosophies, there comes a point in the game where the game board needs shaken up. Capitalism is wrong. Communism is wrong. We need to make room for something different. Something better.
Originally posted by David9176
reply to post by The Old American
ETA: I miscounted. He got 7 directed to him, but 3 of them were afterthoughts. He was not directed a question of healthcare, but he answered it anyway.
I never counted the questions....just noticed they he was often speaking. I did not watch the last part of the debate, so if it was skewed then...i didn't see it...but what i did watch..he had plenty of time to speak.
I also need to remind you that there are other Republican candidates out there who didn't even get to be there.
The best Republican candidate....Roemer...probably one that millions would most likely vote for...wasn't even invited.
No...... You do realize that when the U.S was a manufacturing power house we sold most of our goods overseas? If European countries would've imposed heavy tariffs on us, most U.S firms would've went out of business.
"The Godfather of Obamacare will also be allowed to defend his unconstitutional law; there will be a former pizza chain executive who discriminates against the Muslim faith; and there will be someone on stage who thinks it's more important to vacation in Hawaii than to campaign for the most important office of the free world," Sierra said, respectively, of Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, former Godfather's Pizza CEO Herman Cain and former Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich. "I don't know about you," Sierra continued in the email, "But I'm truly disgusted by our system right now."
Furthermore, Roemer's decision to not accept donations greater than $100 and to not accept money from Political Action Committees has left his campaign with an emptier piggy bank than his opponents. "It's going to be a long, tough process with the rules we've put on ourselves, but it's the right thing to do," Sierra said. Despite being excluded from the nationally televised Politico/NBC News debate, Roemer will step into the spotlight the evening before the Sept. 7 event.
Tariffs are needed on countries that pay slave labor wages. If not they will simply sap all the jobs from other countries....as has happened here. If this isn't done, the only way to get the jobs back is to also pay slave labor wages.
We can have "free trade" with countries that actually make it "fair" to actually have free trade. I have no problems with that...but what is happening right now it completely destructive to our country.
We have a massive trade deficit that has to be fixed. What would you rather have? Slave wages or a tax on imports (those based on slave labor especially)?
The hopes is...eventually jobs come back...imports go down...unless the countries allowing slave labor change their practices....which again...is still good for the US job situation at home. Products will cost more...but it will also be easier for american small businesses to compete.
Originally posted by SplitInfinity
Originally posted by Janky Red
Originally posted by SplitInfinity
Originally posted by Janky Red
Bush and Perry have both Murdered innocent people
T
O
T
A
L
I
T
A
R
I
A
N
People clapping yee haw!!! (Bomb Iraq, bomb wherever!)
Lets kill people, to show people that killing people is wrong!
JANKY....if you don't realize that both parties have had blood on their hands for a long time....then I hope you will look it up. Split Infinity
I don't cheer, smile and smirk about killing people
Past and Present leaders of both parties do...and have. Split Infinity
Originally posted by Rockdisjoint
reply to post by David9176
You do realize that U.S workers also made low wages [5 cent per hour] at one point in time? As for them ``sapping`` jobs away, who cares? I didn't see anyone complaining about China when our economy was booming. When our economy was booming the last thing on a U.S workers mind was making crappy trinkets in a factory.
You do realize that D is an American patriot don't you?
Things have changed, the dynamic with China needs to be adjusted.
How come you're not upset about Americas currency manipulation?
Probably because he cares about this country
Our current trade and account deficits are caused by govt, not by a lack of production, since the U.S still manufactures somethings -- like planes, yachts, big machinery and other stuff like that.
Bull, plain and simple, companies are taking advantage of a huge income disparity between the two nations,
unless you are blaming the Chinese government, who could legislate better wage floors. American Oligarchs became rich because of American production, this nation is being turned into a consumption/service economy
which is what constitutes a third world model. Crash the wage floor, instate a true third world economy and then
reintroduce production, when you can pay people Republican prices.
so why make everyone pay more for everyday items just to [supposedly] create jobs?edit on 7-9-2011 by Rockdisjoint because: (no reason given)
An economy based upon consumption becomes like the relationship with the OIL companies, no real competition, flat lined demand and an ever growing desire to shave more and more money off of the overhead,
workers.
You do realize that D is an American patriot don't you?
Originally posted by David9176
reply to post by Janky Red
You do realize that D is an American patriot don't you?
Shhh....don't tell anyone. Virtually every stance I have is in defense of our country and the people that live under the same laws and beliefs I do....friends and neighbors and those I share my walk of life with.
Anyway, I prefer to be called a communist, socialist, racist, fascist, neo-con, libertarian, isolationist, etc.
Originally posted by Rockdisjoint
Yes, you're a socialist. I understand, but we aren't talking about that.
You do realize that D is an American patriot don't you? Things have changed, the dynamic with China needs to be adjusted.
Probably because he cares about this country
American Oligarchs became rich because of American production, this nation is being turned into a consumption/service economy
Crash the wage floor, instate a true third world economy and then reintroduce production, when you can pay people Republican prices.
An economy based upon consumption becomes like the relationship with the OIL companies, no real competition, flat lined demand and an ever growing desire to shave more and more money off of the overhead, workers.
Originally posted by Rockdisjoint
That's just it patriots just don't think about the negative effects of their supposed actions. A trade war with China would be horrible, on top of that imagine if European countries would have heavily tariffed the U.S after WWII where would we be without them?
Not a trade war, fair policy.
Europe didn't do that, probably because America helped liberate Europe.
And america's currency manipulation hurts this country.........
You mean China?
The differences between what is considered service and manufacturing are completely fallacious. If you ``patriots`` want to return U.S ``manufacturing`` into what it use to be, go ahead and do that -- if people wanna buy your stuff they will.
How is it fallacious? We have, more and more store fronts, who are virtually selling China direct for the benefit
of China and a few core business owners. That is not the American model, that is why America is hurting
But don't force me to buy your products that I probably won't even like through tariffs. If I want to buy Chinese goods I should have the option to do that.
You are in China?
Why would they instate a socialist economy in the U.S? Even if they did it's because people voted for it so they'll deserve it.
I don't know what you are talking about, are you imitating idiot? Its not your look, sorry
The U.S still manufacturers some stuff we should manufacture more, but who is stopping you from opening up your own manufacturing company? How many Americans actually ``want`` to work in a factory making baseball caps and other kick-knacks?
I don't want to open up a manufacturing company thank you... If you like China so much, why are you here
discussing American politics with people who care for America? Talk to your Republican corporatist friends,
you father will listen to you I'm sure.edit on 8-9-2011 by Janky Red because: (no reason given)
You caught me. But, yeah... we are sort of talking about that. We are talking about where to have free trade and where to not have it. The corporations that survived because of cheap international trade did so at the detriment of the United States.
If you charge nothing for domestic trade and charged everything for foreign trade... the desperate would still trade domestically and the greedy would still trade foreign. The shift would be nothing but fair.
Originally posted by Rockdisjoint
Fair to who? Would it be fair to all the Chinese workers who lost their job? Would it be fair for U.S workers who are shifted into manufacturing even though many of them probably won't want to be there?
Would it be fair the U.S consumers [who are already struggling] to pay 10 times more just for toothbrushes, socks, shoes and many other things? I'm not seeing this ``fairness`` here......
Not a trade war, fair policy.
Europe didn't do that, probably because America helped liberate Europe.
You mean China?
How is it fallacious? We have, more and more store fronts, who are virtually selling China direct for the benefit of China and a few core business owners. That is not the American model, that is why America is hurting
You are in China?
I don't know what you are talking about, are you imitating idiot? Its not your look, sorry
I don't want to open up a manufacturing company thank you...
If you like China so much, why are you here discussing American politics with people who care for America?
Talk to your Republican corporatist friends, you father will listen to you I'm sure.
In the United States, the decade from the mid-1980s to the mid-1990s saw import quotas placed on textiles, agricultural products, automobiles, sugar, beef, bananas, and even underwear — among other things. In a single session of Congress in 1985, more than three hundred protectionist bills were introduced as U.S. industries began voicing concern over foreign competition. www.answers.com...