I could actually possibly believe it if i lived in FANTASY LAND

ok, i think people are misinterpreting what was meant by melting steel.....we are talking about reall melting steel, like flowing lava style melting steel,,,molten steel was found in the wtc7 rubble, how did office fires melt the steel to the liquid point? I would love for the people who believe the official story to explain that to me......

Originally posted by PW229
I tell you what, when I see a bucket load of PhD's telling me this happened and a bucket load of politicians telling me the opposite happened I know who I'm going with.

P-R-E-C-I-S-E-L-Y

Originally posted by FurvusRexCaeli
1. Some of these are "degreed only." For instance, they did a bachelor's degree then went on to a career like high school teacher or auto repair. AE911 is disingenuous when it calls these signers "engineering professionals."

"Degreed Only" still entails having a degree in either engineering or architecture. I.E. learned people.

Unless you feel they just give degrees out? If that is the case then it is obvious you've never earned one.

2. Some of the signers who have engineering degrees have degrees in specialties not related to construction. I skimmed the list and saw a biomedical engineer, an electrical engineer, a paper engineer, and a software engineer. While I am sure these are brilliant people, they do not have any special insight into building collapses.

This is the biggest logical fallacy of them all. All engineers and architects have to take statics (physics of bodies that are not in motion), dynamics (physics of bodies that are in motion), and just plain physics (including electrical physics).

So, yes, these learned people can think for themselves thank you very much.

3. There are 1.6 million engineers in the United States and, if I remember correctly, 140,000 architects. (I pulled the BLS numbers in an earlier thread.*) If AE 911 Truth only allowed Americans to sign, their petition would represent less than 0.1% of the eligible signers. Since they allow signatures from other countries, their petition has been signed by far less than 0.1% of the eligible signers. The inclusion of non-engineers with engineering degrees among the signers inflates the pool of eligible signers, and reduces the fraction that signed, even more.

Another fallacy. Choosing not to make a choice is still making the choice not to choose. I.E. just because someone is not vocal does not automatically include them in the "yes" crowd.

4. Some of the signers repeat debunked rumors and myths in their signing statements. We do not know if they would have signed, given correct information.

Some of the "debunking" I've seen can use a little debunking.

i watched the vid. so poster, or whomever made this vid...flaming garbage took out #7!?!?! seriously!?!?!?!?! u would look another american face to face and say "yeah flaming garbage from the other tower came over here, burned other garbage at 2000+ degrees, and burned the building down." i apologize to mods or anyone this offends but i spit in your f_ing face you scum. terrorists? no. this, the person who made this vid, and the people in charge are the garbage we should be fighting. this is the best example of disinfo i have ever seen

Originally posted by Nutter
"Degreed Only" still entails having a degree in either engineering or architecture. I.E. learned people.

Unless you feel they just give degrees out? If that is the case then it is obvious you've never earned one.

Some institutions do. But the point is, the phrase "architects and engineers" describes a set belonging to those two professions. Someone who is degreed but does not practice the profession is not an architect or an engineer. They could honestly join "People Who Studied Architecture and Engineering for 9/11 Truth," but letting them into AE911 Truth is just disingenuous.

This is the biggest logical fallacy of them all. All engineers and architects have to take statics (physics of bodies that are not in motion), dynamics (physics of bodies that are in motion), and just plain physics (including electrical physics).

If these three courses are sufficient to analyze collapsing skyscrapers, why did NIST hire a bunch of PhDs and specialists to do it for them? They could've gotten anyone with a BS in any engineering discipline and saved us all some money. Or perhaps a bachelor's level education in physics, followed by a career in paper or BME, does not prepare one to analyze the collapse of a skyscraper? I wouldn't send a NIST structural engineer to do a BME's job; would you send a BME to do a structural engineer's job?

Another fallacy. Choosing not to make a choice is still making the choice not to choose. I.E. just because someone is not vocal does not automatically include them in the "yes" crowd.

I never claimed to address what the 99.9+% who didn't sign believe. I was doing just what I said, putting the 1500+ number in context so readers would not be snowed by it. An "architects and engineers for 9/11 reality" petition would be an interesting exercise; we could probably limit it to people named Steve like that evolution declaration and get a pretty good result. I can't be bothered to do it, though.

Some of the "debunking" I've seen can use a little debunking.

Whenever you're ready.

All kinds of hidden stuff in the 4th dimension. I went to typing in ATS website in the address and missed it by one letter. AVG gave me back this.





Spiritual warfare is much funner than 3 dimensional warfare which is very messy and unimaginitive.


Social Engineering stuck out the most.
Go AVG and 4th dimension

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