Mother dresses girl aged THREE as prostitute in Toddlers and Tiaras pageant

Well look at it this way, strippers have to come from somewhere!
This is just a future batch of dancers that will be desperately be needed in 20 years
In this economy how else are they going to afford college?

I was disgusted to hear that New Zealand was allowing this crap in.

Only in America - these insane mothers - nowhere else in the world.

reply to post by MischeviousElf


Is there a definitive line, where this begins and ends? Please tell me.

Should 3 year olds be allowed to be filmed, dressed up and in make up full stop, when you consider than you are not even allowed to film your own child in a school play, here in the UK.

Where should it stop? Since 2000, I call it the decades of rules. Rules for this, rules for that. Here, we have Travellers, whose young girls dress like that, whose 4 year olds are dressed in dresses so heavy that they cant walk to their Communion in them, who are heavily made up and spray tanned. At 4.

These girls, are all Virgins, and stay that way until they get married, which is usually very young.

Is it an expression...or does it have an outcome.

If you are asking would I dress my daughter this way, I can't answer that truthfully, I dont have a daughter. I could surmise and say no I wouldnt, but if she grabbed a variation of my clothes, wigs and make up out of the cupboard herself and looked like this...then I wouldnt tell her to take it all off. Little girls do that, as I well know. And yes, I'd probably take pictures of her. So what does that make me...ok for letting HER do it, but not for me dressing her up like it. I dont know, so if there is an answer...please tell me

reply to post by Warpthal


Your comment, why? Dont you have an opinion, instead of asking the OP what they are going to do about it. I dont understand why you feel the need to ask what they are going to do about it, when it is just a hot topic they are discussing. Any thoughts on the actual thread? Do you think its acceptable for a little girl to be dressed up this way...or not.

Originally posted by Wyn Hawks

Originally posted by Sherlock Holmes
you do not think that parents should be allowed to rape their children ?

Originally posted by Sherlock Holmes
I'm not talking about people sexually abusing children.

Originally posted by Sherlock Holmes
So, according to you, parents have the ''right'' to rape and beat their children to a pulp

Er, you've just spliced up quotes that I made which pertained to separate points within your posts.

Again, you've had a complete reading and comprehension fail.

My reply, in which I said I'm not talking about sexual abuse, was in direct response to one point which you made, while the comments which I made regarding rape was me logically extending a different point which you were trying to make.

Obviously, you can't defend your argument, so you resort to Quote Mining.

This is just the basic ebb and flow of debating I'm talking about here, and I shouldn't even need to be explaining the differences to you, but I'm guessing that you intentionally butchered and misrepresented my comments out of pure intellectual dishonesty.

Still, it achieved your objective, which was side-stepping my rebuttal to your points, where I mauled every single point you made, and pointed out the logical failure of your argument.

Originally posted by catwhoknowsplusone
I was disgusted to hear that New Zealand was allowing this crap in.

Only in America - these insane mothers - nowhere else in the world.

Oh right, because in Iran they don't marry off their daughters at nine years of age???

Pageants like these are all about the mom's. These kids are being dragged from pageant to pageant, shoved out on a stage to strut and prance, all for the mom's ego. These kids are being taught to act like divas or super models, just so the parent can bask in the reflected glory. My daughter use to dance in tap competitions and I could not believe some of the moms. Women, well past their prime, would come dressed like 20 something hotties. Parading their daughters in their skimpy costumes, loudly pointing out what they should do to impress the judges, all the while preening for the public. I vetoed some of the costumes they wanted her to wear, because they were too revealing for a little girl her age at the time[8]. My daughter finally quit because she didn't feel comfortable in them.

I think a lot of people are missing the bigger point to this.

While the outfit of the girl in the pictures may be shocking to some, it's the whole concept of beauty pageants for young children which are sick and exploitative.

The only ''benefit'' which I can see in parading and humiliating your child in this way is the potential financial gain, but that is grossly outweighed by the negative emotional repercussions this may have.

The fact of the matter is that the ''parents'' are making the decision to enter their 2 and 3 year-olds into these contests, not the children. As the parent is responsible for the well-being of their children, then it is abuse, neglect and child exploitation to take advantage of them in this way.

It's just a simple process of weighing up the potential positives and negatives of any choice which you make on behalf of your young children. There is no rationale to parading toddlers around in beauty pageants, and certainly no potential benefit to the child, while there are a whole host of potential negatives.

In an ideal world, all of the ''parents'' who entered their young children in this would have their offspring taken off them by social services, and rehoused with a family who are actually interested in raising the child in a way which caters to the child's best interests.

Originally posted by neonitus
i'm more concerned with the people who see this and think its of a sexual nature.
to me it looks like some little kid playing dress up, apparently kids like to play dress up, and sometimes theyre parents think its fun too.
i understand you hearts are in the right place, but highlighting crap like this as child abuse is stupid.

I couldn't agree with you more. While I think people who force their children into a pageant lifestyle is wrong, I see nothing wrong with doing it for fun, if it is fun for the kid. I didn't see this as being sexually exploitive.....I saw it as funny and cute, but then again I'm not a pedophile. Also I'm not the type that thinks so negatively of sex, that anything that vaguely reminds me of it is immediately suspect. I think most Americans have a pretty perverted Idea of sexual morality, and they want to force their views on others. They see something like this...it reminds them of something sexual....so they assume it's the worst thing in the world.........It's not as if the kid IS a prostitute, or that even dressing like that MEANS the parents were TRYING to make their kid LOOK like one. Have they never seen how women dress in clubs now days?!?!

looks like the girls is dressed as julia roberts in pretty woman. Who was dressed as a prostitute.

Personally i think it is a sick show. I have watched it once or twice, in disgust. However even the children not dressed as hookers are horri. The fake hair, the elaborate, adult make-up, the low cut gowns, the fake smiles and the exaggeraated struts. It is all geared towards sexualizing a small girl. It didnt take a kid in a hooker costume to offend me, I was offended from the first minute. And just as bad are the parents of these kids. They spend thousands of dollars and countless hours "training" their little girls to turn them into robots that will strut a stage perfectly, silly smiles plastered on their faces the whole time. Spray on tans, hair extensions, it is just wrong. It reminds me of Jon Benet Ramsey everytime i see them, and i wondered when watching it if i was going to have to see another child pageant photo plastered all over the news again. Of course there are conspiracies about the ramsay girl...
the network is likely very aware of what they are doing to these children. They must have gotten loads of angry letters from people. But this is the MSM agenda. Demoralize everyone.
I would not let my family watch that show. ever. To the poster who said his wife and daughter watch it, it would make me sick to my stomach. I dont think I would allow it, TBH. I would have the channel yanked from my satelite package, or simply put my foot down and say filth like that can be watched somewhere else, not in my house. It is evil, destructive, and i shudder to think what they will be doing for shock value in a few years time when half naked beautiful toddlers are no longer doing it for them.

reply to post by bhornbuckle75


I am shocked by the way the girls dress, not because I am a pedophile. I am shocked because I have two daughters, aged 2 and 5, and if they left the house looking like the majority of the kids in this show I would be not only severely humiliated, but also very aware that any one out there that was a pedophile would be getting off on seeing them that way. The make up and hair alone are designed to make a sexual woman out of a toddler. Why do you not see this as worng? I am not the pedophile for being sensitive to the loss of innocence of little girls. You are however a bit disturbing to me to think that this is fun.

Originally posted by Sherlock Holmes
I think a lot of people are missing the bigger point to this.

While the outfit of the girl in the pictures may be shocking to some, it's the whole concept of beauty pageants for young children which are sick and exploitative.

You need to hurry up and explain to the OP of this thread that they got their topic all wrong and wrote their opening post completely wrong. Why did you not tell them you were changing the topic for them on the first page?

reply to post by MischeviousElf


HEY YOU ALL!
do you know life is possible without television? me and my wife decided to trow it away befor our daughter was born. now it's 2 years, and there's enough stuff on the net to have fun and get knowledge. you cannot criticize programs and keep on watching. they will notice something is wrong with their crap, when nobody will be in front of the blue lighted monster and everybody out having a life.

Originally posted by DAVID64
Pageants like these are all about the mom's. These kids are being dragged from pageant to pageant, shoved out on a stage to strut and prance, all for the mom's ego. These kids are being taught to act like divas or super models, just so the parent can bask in the reflected glory. My daughter use to dance in tap competitions and I could not believe some of the moms. Women, well past their prime, would come dressed like 20 something hotties. Parading their daughters in their skimpy costumes, loudly pointing out what they should do to impress the judges, all the while preening for the public. I vetoed some of the costumes they wanted her to wear, because they were too revealing for a little girl her age at the time[8]. My daughter finally quit because she didn't feel comfortable in them.

I think you hit the nail on the head. These things do seem more about the parent than the child. I cant see a 2 or 3 year old going to their parents and saying, Mom, I really want to enter a beauty pageant. Im sure more often than not, its the parent putting all of their baggage onto the kid. Makes me feel very sad for these kids. What kid doesnt want to make their parents happy? Like the little boy who plays football only because thats all his father talks about and loves. So even though deep down inside he just wants to play with his friends or maybe learn how to play the guitar, he sets off to make all of his fathers unrealized dreams come true. Noble on the childs part, but these selfish parents don't even seem to notice or care about all the potentials their child will never realize because these kids are too busy being a puppet for their parent.
I know this isn't from a pageant, but I think its the same breed of parent. While reading the article, I kept thinking of this scene from the Bruno movie.


The things parents will do to their kids.

reply to post by kdog1982


You shake your head in disbelief and walk away? Do you have any opinion that you can share with your wife?

Originally posted by mileysubet

Originally posted by Warpthal
reply to post by MischeviousElf

 

Are you going to do anything about this? If not, your wasting your energy.

An honest question here:

What can we do? Anyone have a phone number or E-Mail address that we could contact the producers at?

Actually, yes... there is a way to contact them. The following link has their physical address as well as a link to their email form where you can lodge a complaint. I've done this before actually. With this show as well as many others that I've seen that are just plain, well, disgusting in my humble opinion. What good will it do? I don't know if it will do any good to be honest. The folks who have a problem with this kind of programing (both TV programming and societal mindset programming) seem to be in the vast minority rather than the majority these days. But at any rate, here is the link. When the screen loads, you will want to go to #32 if the page loads at the top rather than defaulting to the specific topic:

TLC Viewer Relations Page

reply to post by DAVID64


I agree with you. It makes me wonder just what is going on with these moms. Did they want to be a Dolly Parton, or a prostitute themselves? The exploitation and humiliation they are subjecting their babies to is almost unforgivable.

Originally posted by SirClem
BTW, you can BET at least one parent is behind all of this, and I bet it isn't the dad.

Toddlers and Tiara's Pageant Dads Take Over

I've watched the show a few times out of a freaky curiosity and there are PLENTY of Dads who are highly involved with their kid's pageant lives. (little boys, too!)

reply to post by Sevensight


No, it isn't sexy. It is disturbing on many levels. The issue goes beyond the outfit she is wearing.

Originally posted by Kitilani
Do I approve of these types of things?
No.
Do I dissaprove?
No.
It is not my business. They are not my children. My children are my concern. No one has explained how this little girl has been hurt yet and I see the word "porn" tossed around quite liberally.
I think these paegents are weird and wrong on many levels. I think lots of things other parents do are weird and or wrong. It is not my business.
My problem is the huge blowing out of proportion so many of you do by calling it porn and ranting about how sexual it is.

I agree with this poster completely. No one has said how this little girl is getting hurt... OR how they have the moral high ground to dictate how other parents raise their children.

What's going to hurt this little girl is that a bunch of people have freaked out over something she doesn't even understand and now it's a big deal and she'll have loads of questions because she's in the news and she's being shamed and called names and her mother is being attacked... All because of an innocent pageant where she had on a pretty dress, wig and boots. If all the armchair parents had just minded their own business, she would have never been in the news. But someone decided to be outraged because of the way something APPEARED and decided to make a big stink about it.

I feel sorry for the little girl. Not because of how she was dressed (completely covered) but because of how this country's adults interpreted it and cast shame upon her and her mother.

Originally posted by Sevensight
I do not see a little girl pretending to be a prostitute. You see that. I did not see her turn any tricks or take any money.

It all seems to be about 'appearances'.