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Originally posted by Sevensight
Originally posted by Sherlock Holmes
I think a lot of people are missing the bigger point to this.
While the outfit of the girl in the pictures may be shocking to some, it's the whole concept of beauty pageants for young children which are sick and exploitative.
You need to hurry up and explain to the OP of this thread that they got their topic all wrong and wrote their opening post completely wrong. Why did you not tell them you were changing the topic for them on the first page?
Originally posted by Hr2burn
I HOPE she was making a point about these child beauty pageants that is really what I see on these things anyway. It should be showing off the kids innocence and cuteness.....not the screwed up nightmare it has become. Again, hope she was showing how F'd up it all is!
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10 Revolting TV Shows That Need to Die
Television influences our culture and mental health. Here are shows that we need to kill like a virus.
1. Toddlers and Tiaras
TLC’s look into the backstage world of child pageants—where parents doll up and sexualize their very young daughters (JonBenet Ramsey, RIP) -- was initially quite fascinating when it launched in 2009. Seeing the different ways these stage parents train their children to adhere to complex, grown-up, consumer-defined beauty standards was hard to watch, but useful in a sociological way.
But as the show has grown—and many of these stories have been told—it’s felt doubly exploitative, compounding the parents’ exposure of their children to experiences they can’t yet begin to understand with a freakshow eye on the pageants. Plus, it’s hard not to feel complicit in child exploitation when you’re watching a one-year-old crying because her hairpiece hurts.
The worst part? “Toddlers and Tiaras” has spawned a host of knockoffs, including “Dance Moms,” in which a dance teacher yells at competitive eight- and nine-year-olds like they’re Marines, and “Little Miss Perfect,” which encourages consumer culture in five-year-olds. There’s no way the normalization of this subculture of gussying up tiny children and pitting them against each other can be good for anyone.
Tots & Tarts
Originally posted by Sherlock Holmes
Any exploitation of children should result the authorities mandatorily removing the child from the ''parents''.
Originally posted by Sherlock Holmes
As beauty pageants for young children are all done for the parents' personal gain, while completely ignoring the potential harm it may cause their child, then all of these ''parents'' should have their children removed from their custody.
Originally posted by Sherlock Holmes
Those who think that parents have a ''right'' to use their children as property, and to make personal and financial gain off the back of entering them in beauty pageants, are, thankfully, a dying breed of dinosaurs who are living in a 200 year-old time-warp.
Originally posted by Lovelyful
That is a lose/lose situation.
Originally posted by Lovelyful
Taking a child away from her mother is not an easy task..sometimes it has to be done.
Originally posted by Lovelyful
This could hopefully be fixed with some parenting classes and a little supervision.
Originally posted by Lovelyful
Placing a child in faster care is something to think twice about. Especially these little girls and how abusers are. There are good homes out there, you just never know.
Originally posted by WarminIndy
reply to post by Wyn Hawks
The Jackie Coogan Law of California dictates how much money a parent is allowed to profit from child actors.
Originally posted by WarminIndy
And he is not the only child actor to have this happen. Shirley Temple also lost the money she earned because her parents mishandled her money.
Originally posted by WarminIndy
As a filmmaker, I understand the need for children to be in movies and televison, especially in children's shows. But as a responsible filmmaker, I also understand that children are not cattle to be profited from and never should they be exploited. If a child acts and is paid, that means that child worked for what he earned.
Originally posted by WarminIndy
His parents should only get compensated for representation as legal guardian.
Originally posted by WarminIndy
When you dress a child in this manner to accentuate or present a sexuality that is not there, then it is exploitive.
Originally posted by Wyn Hawks
Originally posted by WarminIndy
reply to post by Wyn Hawks
...iow - exploiting your own child is legal (in the land of fruits and nuts)...
Actually, no. People get around it by renaming it entertainment.
...everyone in the biz exploits and profits from kids in the biz - moguls, directors, producers, agents, photographers - not just the parents...
Yes, that is true. But parents that are good parents don't allow that to happen. There are good parents who do indeed watch out for their children. Child actors are paid according to the contracts their parents sign. If the parent does not like the contract, they should not sign it.
...you're justifying your own version of child exploitation...
Child actors and exploitation of children are different. What is the difference in Gary Coleman and Haley Joel Osment? Parental supervision. What is the difference in Jenna Malone and Dana Plato? Parental supervision.
...i dont think thats any of your biz...
It's the law. So it is my business.
...thats what you saw... the salaciousness is in your mind... unless you personally know that mother and have heard her view, you dont know what her intent was...
...the rest of your post is hilariously hypocritical - blaming everyone but yourself, a person who also makes money off of exploiting children...
I think her actions speak well for what her view is.
Now let me ask you this, do you enjoy watching little girls paraded around looking like little women? Do you approve of little girls dressed like prostitutes to be paraded in front of men who think like you do? I guess in your world it must be ok for little girls to be treated like this.
I suppose in your view of the world, the drug dealer forces people to smoke marijuana too. I suppose the beer company forces people to get drunk. I suppose it is the fault of everyone else except the consumer.
To consume and then blame others for the consumption, is the true hypocrisy.
You are the consumer. Please consume responsibly.
Originally posted by Lovelyful
reply to post by Sherlock Holmes
So, you are saying that children should be removed more frequently? When the children are removed where should they be placed? The foster care system is already overloaded. What is your solution to this problem? I don't approve of this at all, yes the mother needs help, yes she needs a reality check, and if the child could, it would be best to stay with a loving relative for awhile and let the mother get help. Now television, that's another story. It should not have been shown to anybody...period.edit on 11-9-2011 by Lovelyful because: added comment.
Originally posted by mugger
The mother should be jailed and charged with child endangerment. people go to jail over much lesser charges than this garbage. anyone watching this show should be ashamed of themselves.