Originally posted by NoRegretsEver

If there is any truth in this painting...then maybe this explains why babies cry so much for no apparent reason. Maybe it would also explain why the "dumbing down" begins early in life with chemicals and pharmaceuticals, vaccines and mercury, etc. To realize that you are continually being recycled might be very hard to take for some folks.

NoRegrets....

I think someone else asked about the origins of this painting. I think that could help us to answer a few questions. Who was the artist? What time frame was this painted? What was the current school of thought at the time? Who influenced the artist as far as his philosophies? Was he a member of a secret society or a group that promoted the thought of life as being cyclic in nature rather than linear and progressive? Please give us more info on the artist!

Also, this painting seems to be somewhat in sync with Wiki's words concerning the Coptic Apocalypse of Paul. Here is a quote from there:

"The Coptic Apocalypse of Paul is one of the texts of the New Testament apocrypha found amongst the Nag Hammadi library. The text is not to be confused with the Apocalypse of Paul, which is unlikely to be related.

It was mentioned by Epiphanius as having been the work of the Cainites, who viewed Cain as the Messiah (since, in their view, the Old Testament God, whom they named Yaltabaoth, was evil.)

The Gnostic text describes the ascent of Paul through various stages of Heaven, with Yaltabaoth (described as an old man on a throne) attempting to prevent further ascent. A soul that fails to have the knowledge (gnosis) required to defeat Yaltabaoth here, is sent back, in the vision, to be reincarnated.

It was a text used by the Sethians."


According to this line of thought and metaphysical reasoning, there is a possibility of escaping this realm of a cyclic existence. Perhaps this is the "narrow path" that so few can find or achieve. I assume that Yaltaboath is the same as the one called Satan, Azazel, etc. I assume that Yaltaboath is meant to describe the "god of this world" and not the Prime Creator.

The god of this world is an usurper of the Prime Creator. The way I perceive the story is that everything was created with perfection, but the usurper is in the business of re-creating and perhaps playing with genetic formulas. Perhaps this is why the OT god is referred to as a Jinn, or Genie, in other languages, the root of the word for genetics.

I also see evidence that the contracts we make in this world is what gives Yaltaboath the authority of dominance over most of the world's population. I suppose most of these contracts are achieved through deception and trickery.

I am curious to know the origins of the promotion of life as cyclic vs life as progressive and linear.

We are like a tree, with no defined "self" - just a continuum of multi-stranded awarenessess.

A soul would thus be a kind of "spiritual snowball" and immortality a self-repeating paradox.

For I am unique in this instant...

The image in the lower right corner depicting man among the beasts reminds me of the Sorceress Circe. She had a magic spell that could turn men into beasts. If you delve into the word meanings or etymology, you will find that the word 'church' originates from a line of words that go all the way back to 'Circe'.

It's interesting to note that the formula for changing men into beasts still exists today and is currently in use. Once upon a time, a very long time ago, a decree went forth that there must be a way to distinguish savages and the heathen from the illuminated. And so, the names of the beasts were CAPITALIZED. This magic spell continues on even into this day.

Do you not wonder why the ads here are marketed to the "Gorilla Nation"?

Originally posted by MamaJ
What puzzles you about reincarnation? The possibility? Going back eventually to your "first" body? I am not so sure you would ever go back to that first body due to each circumstance is different upon coming back as a human. You may even evolve to a different kind of species whereas you would not need a human body anyway. Just my thoughts....nothing more.

Peace and love to you and yours!!!!!!!! xoxoxox

Jenn

what puzzles me atleast is the whole concept of sperm cells and egg cells. where does all that fit into play

Originally posted by curious7

Originally posted by rabzdguy
Real question is.. When do we stop reincarnating and stay in our one body?....Soon i hope

Same here.

Still spooked by what my family told me as I grew up about myself as a 4 year old blurting out that I was a fighter pilot in WW2, that I knew of Edith Piaf and that I was shot down.

Not things a 4 year old could say or imagine in such detail as I think you'll agree. Especially the Edith Piaf name (what British 4 year old child even knows the name of current home grown singers let alone foreign ones not really mentioned or known elsewhere from 40 years previously?)

I also have a massive fear of getting my face wet. I have to use wet wipes to clean my face because having my face under the shower or spashing water on my face for a quick wash panics me into finding it difficult to breathe properly so I have a theory I drowned in a previous life because there's nothing in this one that made me afraid of such a thing.

I believe a little in the higher density stuff and becoming the all powerful figure we were apparently meant to be that can traverse time, space and everything in between but I hope it happens soon and we can all live much more peacefully with no death or disease.

My 7 year old son has been talking about his "before family" since he was 4..That's when he started telling me about his "before mom" that tried to hang on to him during a tornado & she couldn't hold on & he went up & up & up....He has been a bit more detailed over the past years, he has a very strong urge to go & visit his "before family"..I told him, I need a name, which is the only thing he seems to not remember. He does hound me constantly about visiting his "before family"..Thats what he has always called them...In this life, he is terrified of storms, hiding under blankets, covering his ears & twice, we had the tornado warning beeping go off on the T.V., Well, both times he was inconsolable....So, yes, I feel we have experienced past lives, I wonder though if it's our choice or not to be reincarnated??...The very latest comment my son has made(few days ago), "Mommy it would be so cool if all the little kids that were lost got to go back and visit their before families."

NoRegretsEver. Beautiful artwork...You are very curious just as much as anyone else and it is healthy to listen to and give thought about the ideas your fellow man may give you... Iam telling you with absolute certainty you will carry on after your death I have had a genuine connection with my father months after his death. I was laying in bed moments before falling into a state of rest his voice emitted through my mind just as if you were to talk to yourself silently. While this was happening my whole body began to feel numb I could not feel my limbs then it all suddenly went into a feeling of pins and needles. Once I acknowledged him and replyed with " I love you " He spoke back but itmslowly faded away his connection to me was broken. I SUSPECT our loved ones or anything on the other side of life can only connect with us when circumstances are met. They communicate with us when our brains are at rest and unaware of the physical world around us. What you will do after death is truly your decision. I imagine thempossibilities are endless so reincarnation is available if that is what you wish.